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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #40 on: October 09, 2005, 01:08:37 AM »

As the Beatles copied american rock and blues when they started.
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #41 on: October 09, 2005, 01:44:29 AM »

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To get back to the origins of this thread: AndersonCouncil was not saying Abbey Road is a hard rock album. His point is that certain themes from the album (which might not be hardrockish at all) are later used by hardrock bands. So the thing is not to proof that AR isn't a hard rock album (that's quite obvious), but to proof whether themes and guitarriffs are or are not used in later years by other bands.

Exactly.

The Beatles only have about a handful of truly "hard" rock pieces, but I think that it has to be acknowledged that the image the band conveyed, even in their early years was so threatening in its very attitude that they could almost be seen as the origins of The Clash (you can lynch me now, if you'd like) and other punk bands, because the ideas that they expressed, just as Dylan, Barrett, and Clapton, were those that assaulted ideas and created their own rules, and really, in essence, thats real hard rock. You don't have to be loud and abrasive sounding to be hard rock. Anyone else in a band knows what I'm talking about.
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #42 on: October 09, 2005, 01:49:08 AM »

Ok, then its agreed. Everything gets copied sooner or later. Theres only so many chords that can be played in music. My only question is, why was Abbey Road the only album mentioned. I'm sure somethings been copied off of all the beatle albums at some point. Maybe its in the beginning of the thread, but I couldnt bring myself to go reread all of this again.

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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #43 on: October 09, 2005, 01:50:55 AM »

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I don't think it's overrated at all. One of the things about Lennon that made him such a freaking genius was his ability to take a bunch of nonsense words and phrases and turn it into a superior song. I really can't think of many other songs that use this approach. I mean by non-Beatles artisist. Maybe there are, I just can't think of any of the top of my head.

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What? Yeah, I know. Its Syd. The guy that might as well've popped out from between John's legs.
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2005, 01:52:16 AM »

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Ok, then its agreed. Everything gets copied sooner or later. Theres only so many chords that can be played in music. My only question is, why was Abbey Road the only album mentioned. I'm sure somethings been copied off of all the beatle albums at some point. Maybe its in the beginning of the thread, but I couldnt bring myself to go reread all of this again.

Well, at the time I only had three Beatles CDs. I've since gotten The Capitol Albums collection, The White Album, Let It Be, and 1.
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2005, 10:07:31 PM »

The problem with this argument is:
Firstly how do you define hard rock? Loud overdriven guitars and screaming vocals? Sorry but the Kinks took that one in '64 with You Really Got Me. Loud guitars with feedback and mental drums with screaming vocals and 'non melodic' musical breaks (white nosie)? Then you are talking the Who in '65 with Anyway Anyhow Anywhere... You could narrow the criteria down so much you would never stop. Muddy Waters could be thought of as hard rock in the right frame of mind.

There are no start/end points just evolution... Ticket to Ride has got a VERY hard sound to it I think. Cant define it. If your asking does abbey road sound similar to artists such as Led Zep and Sabbath then no it prob doesnt, but that doesnt mean its not 'hard rock' in the same way.

But anywayz... i know the thread is not saying this BUT - to have an argument with someone over the label of a group like the Beatles is pointless anyway. You cant label the Beatles a pop/rock/rock and roll act at all like you can with other bands. Chuck Berry is Rock and Roll. Black Sabbath is heavy metal. But the Beatles are above all that. They were unique and to fight for a label for them is to demean them!
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #46 on: March 06, 2007, 12:52:03 AM »

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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #47 on: March 06, 2007, 06:36:32 AM »

Think about it: how many Other bands had the guts to put in an orchestra And horns, etc., in their music????Don't Try and Label them!!!!!!!! >:(
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #48 on: March 06, 2007, 09:42:35 AM »

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Think about it: how many Other bands had the guts to put in an orchestra And horns, etc., in their music????Don't Try and Label them!!!!!!!! >:(

Quite a few I think. Blood Sweat and Tears were ridiculed for having a horn section in '67 (horns were considered deeply uncool, thanks to the prominence of guitar bands, inspired by.......? So really you should be blaming The Beatles for the demise of horns, not applauding them for their use  :) ). The Moody Blues record company didn't want to release their '67 album (Days of Future Passed?? ) because they thought the public wouldn't accept rock with a symphonic orchestra. There are plenty of others I'm sure. I don't think The Beatles use of said instrumentation was anything particularly innovative or new. (though of course as always Martin's production is superb.)
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #49 on: March 06, 2007, 05:44:11 PM »

You got me there! ;D I meant, how many bands used that without caring what people thought? Look at the other instruments they used. 8)
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2007, 09:19:14 AM »

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You got me there! ;D I meant, how many bands used that without caring what people thought? Look at the other instruments they used. 8)

Howdy. :)  Not sure what you mean by that. An example please.
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2007, 07:27:39 AM »

The Beatles music can not be definded as such!

They inovated music!

Revoltution----Dr Robert----Come together----are nothing more then Blues speed up as John would say!

Yes they did play in the early days Country -jazz-blues--rock--
Later they progressed to Inovation!

Let me explain!  I will use Karate--tae kwon do --for example!

Both have simular punches & kicks but both are from kung fu the mother art!

Much like much the music from blues!

Now Bruce Lee inovated it & said You can not think punch or kick or fight like the set forms that
Karate & other arts have!
You must free your mind & let it punch itself!
We dont think breath--dont think punch!We dont think blink or see!We just do it!
Fights are 3-D so for you to think 1 dimention & use forms!

You show repeating motions of set ways that can not be changed or they no longer are the art!

Now if were try to classify the great inovations of John's back masking or the use of the orchistra or even multi tracks!
We have to classify all othr music on how it was written & produced & edited & weoo every emtion ect--that made it!
That is what the song is & the the Lps are the results of great sessions that
give life to new adventurs of each moment!

some may be slow like Something--Does that make it country!
some may be edited like #9  does that make it new age!
some may be raw like Good night does that make it Childrens music!

Why are so you so quicl to lable?
Is it becouse you dont understand that the song was common time ot cut time!

Do you know if it is inthe key of G or key of E or what other key it may be!

How do you rank your skills in music to justify that ranking of it is this & it can only be this?

You must 1st understand the structur--the mechanics-the foundation-the story-the editing ect!

If you do not understand this--You will never realy understnad Rock-Soul--Jazz--classical ect!

You will only hear music & lable it! You will never understand what makes it such untile you put the time into it!

Carefull on your words!  The Beatles are inovation!Others from Sinatra to the Stones Have sang & had them commitioned to write songs for them!
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2007, 10:19:22 AM »

Yo Djinn, you speak good points...After playing music for so long from different genres it all becomes the same scale. No wonder George wanted to find more tones in the form of indian scales! lol

No-one, not even The Beatles can fully describe what went into their tunes......Everything in life contributes to it.

I bought Sound on Sound magazine today. Looking forward to reading about the editing of their music at least! heheheh

Theres explanations but never the defining answer. That is personal belief. ;)
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« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2007, 10:20:15 AM »

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Think about it: how many Other bands had the guts to put in an orchestra And horns, etc., in their music????Don't Try and Label them!!!!!!!! >:(

Curtis Mayfield & The Impressions. ;)
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Re: Abbey Road and hard rock
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2007, 04:19:33 AM »

Right on----

Don't lable--Don't be soft!

take it for what it is & nothing more!

Music that had evolution & was great!

It's the Bloody Beatles--Enough said!
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