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Title: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on September 14, 2008, 09:25:42 PM
Guys I'm new to this forum and I've been in heaven posting all over the place.  

With McCartney's upcoming tour I think it's way past time that he changed his setlist, after all he's given the last TWO DECADES to the Beatles heavy one he's been doing and it's time for him to concentrate on the rest of his career.  He has so many Wings/solo songs that are just screaming to be performed live, especially many of those fantastic Wings hard rockers!

I'm not asking for some deep buried album track, I'm talking about McCartney picking and performing the best of his Wings and solo material.  He has #1 hits that have never been performed live?

Understand I'm not saying he shouldn't perform any Beatles but I think it should be a lot less.  The perfect setlist to me would be representative of his entire career.  Here's what I think would work for everyone.

McCartney averages about 36 songs per show, so he could do...

12 Beatles
12 Wings
12 Solo

McCartney can mix them up anyway he wants so the crowd is hit with surprise after surprise!  I honestly think no one would be disappointed with such a show, it would satisfy the veteran as well as the newcomer.  It would also quiet down those who are starting to say that his setlist is too predictable, that complaint is showing up in more and more places.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: wingsman on September 24, 2008, 09:43:48 PM
Well, I've always wanted to listen to "No More Lonely Nights" live... :)

Ha, you're right.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 07, 2008, 09:48:17 AM
I think he should do what Dylan does, which is mix up the set list every night. That way it'd be fresh and full of surprises. Sadly, I don't think Paul would do that  :'(
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 07, 2008, 11:51:40 AM
Quote from: 682
I think he should do what Dylan does, which is mix up the set list every night. That way it'd be fresh and full of surprises. Sadly, I don't think Paul would do that  :'(

The problem with doing that in a large venue is that lighting systems are pre-programmed, so if you change the set you'd have to re-programme everything. It's why when you see someone at a stadium there's not ad-libbing or improvisation. And if you think there is, it's been planned!

Smaller venues don't really have a need for pre-programmed light shows so set lists can be changed at will.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 07, 2008, 03:23:27 PM
^ Good point. I wasn't thinking about the lighting systems.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Jane on October 07, 2008, 05:56:37 PM
Queen+Paul Rodgers are changing the setlist, not radically but still, during their tour that is now on and they are singing at stadiums.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: DarkSweetLady on October 07, 2008, 07:14:03 PM
What upcoming tour?! WHERE WAS I!!!!

INFO PLEASE!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 07, 2008, 07:42:49 PM
^ Patience. It'll be announced soon  :)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: HeatherBoo on October 08, 2008, 01:50:45 AM
Patience? What is this patience you speak of?
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 08, 2008, 09:30:38 AM
Quote from: 1204
Patience? What is this patience you speak of?

Despite a complete lack of evidence, some people still seem to think there's going to be some massive world tour announced. My bet is still that he'll continue doing odd one-off concerts.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 08, 2008, 09:31:31 AM
Quote from: 1580
McCartney averages about 36 songs per show, so he could do...

12 Beatles
12 Wings
12 Solo


He wouldn't actually have to change the set that much to achieve this.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 08, 2008, 03:07:36 PM
Here's a setlist I think would please the veteran as well as the newcomer. This is the type of setlist that would represent every phase of McCartney's career.

Equal Beatles, Wings, and Solo.

I've Had Enough
Getting Closer
All My Loving
Take It Away
The World Tonight
One Of These Days
Somebody Who Cares
That Was Me
1985
Only Love Remains
Long And Winding Road
Got To Get You Into My Life
Silly Love Songs
Young Boy
Maybe I'm Amazed
My Love
The Mess
Get Back
What It Is
House Of Wax
Listen To What The Man Said
Big Barn Bed
Can't Buy Me Love
Sgt. Pepper
Yesterday
Let It Be
Only Mama Knows
Helter Skelter
Rockestra Theme
No More Lonely Nights
Hey Jude
I Saw Her Standing There
Birthday

Encore
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
Girlschool

A very exciting hard rocking setlist filled with some of the very best from every phase of McCartney's awesome career!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 08, 2008, 11:35:20 PM
Maccafan, have you looked up his set lists over the years? It's not far off your original suggestion.

Also, bear in mind that no musician is likely to play much stuff from albums that weren't that popular. 90% of people going to his gigs know The Beatles and early Wings. That's it. That's who he has to please.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 08, 2008, 11:41:41 PM
The setlist I posted represents my original suggestion, and I agree with you Beatles wise, but when it comes to the rest of his career he hasn't even come close!

People know the singles, people know the videos, people know the DVDs, after all it's people who are into McCartney that buy all this material, and it's those same people that come to his shows!

Also all those Wings fans are still around, they haven't gone anywhere, what about all those who love the rest of his career!

Once again, McCartney has pleased the Beatle freaks with a Beatle heavy setlist for TWO DECADES, I repeat TWO DECADES!  Is this man supposed to just play the same basic songs every tour for the rest of his life?

Also the songs on my setlist come from some of McCartneys best albums, chart toppers and grammy nominated!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: DaveRam on October 08, 2008, 11:50:01 PM
He's not going to change it much i don't think , if i had his ear i would suggest these Four :

Uncle Albert /Admiral Halsey
Tug Of War
Come And Get It
Hi Hi Hi (thumbsup)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 08, 2008, 11:52:48 PM
Quote from: 1580
after all it's people who are into McCartney that buy all this material, and it's those same people that come to his shows!

No it's not! Most of the people you see at a McCartney show don't know all his material. They're Beatles and Wings fans. They know the singles, and that's what they want to hear. So that's what he gives them. I'm not saying that that's what I would want, but it's a fact.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 09, 2008, 12:13:46 AM
Daveram, believe me I understand that McCartney may never really change his setlist, my point is he could and he should!

The people asking for a setlist change is growing more and more, and you are going to hear it even more if he drags out the same basic setlist for his upcoming tour.  Here's one of the best views I've read by someone asking why McCartney doesn't change his setlist.

mikeskapla

Do people really think they will chase Paul off stage if he replaced obscure barely known Beatle songs like "I'll Get You" for bonafide blockbuster #1 hits like With a Little Luck, Listen to what the Man Said, etc.

Did I miss something and Paul's solo career was a complete bomb as opposed to him being one of the biggest hitmakers on the planet?

I'll take another crack at this point, everytime I do I get hit so I'll say this in advance:

It's kind of weird I think all those that get offended when people make suggestions or disagree some with Paul's approach to concerts. If people think Paul is doing his tours perfectly, good for them, their opinion is just as valid but not more so than people who would like changes.

And no I don't think its some sort of disloyalty to Paul if you disagree with his set list or that you are a truer fan if you eat up everything he does without question. I seriously doubt if I ran into Paul on the street, and I told him I'd love to hear more Wings stuff in concert -- he's think those damn Wing fan idiots, they aren't my true fans, its those that want to hear Let It Be and Hey Jude -- they are what I call my true blue fans.

Having said all that. I'll run with Paul's articulated thoughts on what he wants to do in a show. He wants to give people the hits. He likes to say when people come to his shows they expect to hear the big songs. He also wants to give a broad perspective of his career and give a few oddies to those hardcore fans like us.

Now I really doubt when people come to a Paul McCartney show they are expecting I"ll Get You, In Spite of All the Danger, Till There Was You, C-Moon, Let Me Roll It.

In terms of hits:
With A Little Luck #1 hit never been done in a major tour
Ditto Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey#1 hit, never done
Listen to What the Man Said -- #1 hit not done since 76
Silly Love Songs -- #1 hit not done since 76

Top 10 hits never done in a major tour: Helen Wheels, No More Lonley Nights, Juniors Farm, Take It Away, Goodnight Tonight

I really can't see people coming to his shows and saying look its a Paul McCartney show I want to hear In Spite of All the Danger and I know that song not that obscure Listen To What the Man Says song.

Or they say thankfully, he does Let Me Roll It on practically every tour becuase fans will be missing out -- who wants to hear any other track off of Band on the Run like 1985 or a hit like Helen Wheels, yuk! It's Let Me Roll It or nothing.

And yeah C-Moon is the quientesential track from his Wings period, everyone knows that one, not Silly Love Songs, or Listen to what the Man Says.

It's that sort of stuff that's puzziling to me. And yeah I know to some its sacriledge to question Paul's set list. For some weird reason we get hit basically for the idea that since we appreciate more of his catalogue then he puts out in concert, it means that we aren't as big a fan. Becauase his big fans should just suck it up and appreciate everything he throws at us.

Look I can just as easy if not easier make the case that we are the bigger fans because we appreciate Paul's whole solo career, not just Paul the Beatle. And yeah I appreciate seeing him in concert. I love Paul's shows and I just think they can be even more special where he can cater to his hard core fans without losing his more causal ones.

I am not talking about him doing Letting Go instead of Let It Be. But why not With A Little Luck (and BIG Wings hits) over obscure Beatle songs like I'll Get You?

Look i am not even asking him to do what MOST major concert acts do like the Stones, Springsteen, and U2 and change things up in the middle of the tour and keep things spicy.

Just do some big Wings hits, mix it up. Band on the Run is a classic album. And there are other tracks on that album for example that stand out, it wasn't just Let Me Roll It.

Ditto for example with Flaming Pie, great album Looks like Calico Skies is going to be coming for a round 2 and maybe the title track Flaming Pie as well. OK, decent songs. But those weren't the singles -- the singles were: World Tonight, Young Boy, Beautiful Night.

If you do Flaming Pie one tour, why not Somedays or Young Boy, etc the next one. If you are going to give the obscure fans a nugget like Let Me Roll It or C-Moon or a track from Flaming Pie. Why repeat the same nugget in the next tour or so, why not give a new one? It seems like he does just that with his Beatle songs but not with his Wings/solo stuff.

That to me is the odd thing about Paul's tours compared to what most artists do. And yeah look i am going to go anyway, great shows, I just think they can be made more special if Paul embraced variety.

Part of (in my opinion) what makes Paul's albums so special is he's eclectic and brings variety -- so it suprises me that on tour he's one of the more predictable artists. Great shows but predictable. And there is a context to my point, I have seen a ton of concerts so am making apples to apples comparisons to other big artists. And the larger point is it would be very easy for him to break the many years of predictability.

I've read many of these type views in different places, and they're showing up more and more, McCartney could and should change his setlist!

Bluemeanie I disagree, maybe some don't know, but most of the people at a McCartney show know his music, especially the #1 smash hits!  People know...
Silly Love Songs #1,
people know Listen To What The Man Said #1,
people know Juniors Farm #3
Uncle Albert #1
Hi Hi Hi - top ten
No More Lonely Nights - top ten
Rockestra Theme - released on album and DVD

I could go on, but people know this material that's how it reached the positions it reached, because people all over the world liked it, they bought the albums!

As I said, all those fans are still around, they haven't gone anywhere.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 09, 2008, 01:41:13 AM
He performed Juniors Farm with Wings during the 1975 tour.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: tkitna on October 09, 2008, 02:10:32 AM
Why debate this now? Believe me, theres nobody that wishes he would do more obscure stuff than me, but its not going to happen. He's in his middle 60's now and he isnt going to be touring much more (if any) and he's not going to change it. I read Maccafans setlist idea and I got about as far as the first ten and immediately said to myself that it wasnt going to fly. 80% or more of the people thats going to his shows want to hear his solo hits and Beatle tunes. It sucks, but thats how it is.

And in saying that, I wont go to anymore of his shows because i've seen it all before. If he did play Maccafans setlist, i'd be there with bells on.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 09, 2008, 07:06:18 AM
Tkitna, McCartney may not do the big world tours, but he has said that he will never stop performing live.  So as long as he performs live there's hope!

I agree with you about attending McCartney's shows, I skipped the last tour because it was just more of the very same, like you I've seen the Beatle heavy setlist, in fact I've seen it four times hoping the setlist would change.

If you and I feel this way, imagine how many other people out there feel the exact same.

You said people want to hear his solo hits, well that's the problem, he doesn't perform the vast majority of his Wings and solo hits, and that's why I included most of the well known songs in my setlist.  I included many of the singles that he has released over the years like Getting Closer, I've Had Enough, and Take It Away.  Because they were singles these songs are known.

They are also some of the best of McCartney's career, people would be thrilled to hear them live.

Also I didn't just start saying this, I've been saying McCartney needs to change his setlist for years!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 09, 2008, 07:08:10 AM
I would basically do anything to have seen Wings in '75-'76. But I was born in 1987  :'(
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Ged on October 09, 2008, 10:06:43 AM
The last 3 concerts i've seen him play all included the usual, you know Let it be, Hey Jude, My love etc. It was a novelty at first... I mean opening with Hello Goodbye was awesome, I love 1967 for the Beatles and I was so glad he gave Ram's 'Too many people' another go but i'd dearly love to him try the likes of Juniors farm again and maybe some off Red Rose Speedway like 'When the night' - I mean he did Every night off McCartney during his UK tour of 1979 and just recently too so they're all there in his head. On that 79 tour, he did a few off Back to the egg (much under-rated IMO) Old Siam sir rocked and Getting Closer is as good as any. Come on Macca freshen it up a bit, yes the younger members of the audience might not have heard some of the more obscure stuff but on the other side of the coin, if they like it, they might well go and out and buy it.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 09, 2008, 04:47:07 PM
JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.  Let me tell you, it was a phenomenal night, Wings absolutely rocked the house!

To this very day it's still the best concert I've ever seen in my entire life!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 09, 2008, 04:58:22 PM
Quote from: 1580
JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.

I thought it was recorded in several different venues?
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 09, 2008, 09:21:28 PM
I'd like to know from what venue the WOA version of Medicine Jar came from. It's an alright version but there are a lot better versions like the Rockshow and Wings over Seattle versions.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: HeatherBoo on October 10, 2008, 12:15:44 AM
You gotta give the people what they want.  And I mean the majority of the people. And as others have said, majority of people want the Beatle hits and only the major hits he had with Wings and solo.

A few months ago Bruce Springsteen did a tour, and he always sings his hits at his concerts. Well this last time he did not, he played everything EXCEPT his hits, and let me tell you, everyone I know who went, were highly dissappointed with the show.  

So this is probably why Paul does the same songs, majority of the people to his show to hear these songs, and he wants to keep the money coming in and most of all keep the people and fans happy.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 10, 2008, 02:28:12 AM
Heatherboo, I'll say again that's the major problem, McCartney isn't performing the majority of the big Wings and solo hits, I truly wish he was!

He's not performing...

Silly Love Songs
Listen To What The Man Said
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
No More Lonely Nights
Take It Away
Uncle Albert
Helen Wheels
Getting Closer
I've Had Enough
The World Tonight
Young Boy
Girlschool

These are just some of the singles and hits that McCartney has released over the years, why isn't he performing them, and don't say that the people don't want to hear them because it's the people who are asking why doesn't he perform these songs?

How many artist do you know that don't perform their own single?  McCartney has #1 smash hit singles that have never ever been performed live, I repeat #1 worldwide smash hits that have never ever been performed?

Why were they #1 in the first place, because people all over the world like them, so I don't buy that he's giving the people what they want, McCartney is giving the people what he thinks they expect!

People would instantly know all those smash hits if McCartney would just perform them, how many people would say, wow I remember that song, or can you believe he's playing this one, I love that song!  He would send thrills thru out his crowds if he would just perform this fantastic material!

 
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 10, 2008, 08:24:09 AM
Quote from: 1580
Heatherboo, I'll say again that's the major problem, McCartney isn't performing the majority of the big Wings and solo hits, I truly wish he was!

He's not performing...

Silly Love Songs
Listen To What The Man Said
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
No More Lonely Nights
Take It Away
Uncle Albert
Helen Wheels
Getting Closer
I've Had Enough
The World Tonight
Young Boy
Girlschool

These are just some of the singles and hits that McCartney has released over the years, why isn't he performing them, and don't say that the people don't want to hear them because it's the people who are asking why doesn't he perform these songs?


Who's asking? A few fanatics on forums.

Quote from: 1580
How many artist do you know that don't perform their own single?  McCartney has #1 smash hit singles that have never ever been performed live, I repeat #1 worldwide smash hits that have never ever been performed?

Why were they #1 in the first place, because people all over the world like them, so I don't buy that he's giving the people what they want, McCartney is giving the people what he thinks they expect!

People would instantly know all those smash hits if McCartney would just perform them, how many people would say, wow I remember that song, or can you believe he's playing this one, I love that song!  He would send thrills thru out his crowds if he would just perform this fantastic material!

 

Which No.1 smash hits has he never performed live? Maybe Girls School, but that was only the A-Side in the states. And I really can't see him playing Uncle Albert with the current band. At least 5 of the songs in your list were not massive hits at all. In fact, I'm really struggling to remember some of them.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: cubanheel on October 10, 2008, 10:05:18 AM
At this stage, I don't care what he plays, I just want to go and see him play live! Please! Soon! (well, when I say I don't care, I mean, well, I do want him to play things that send those chills down the spine, but I think I'd also like to be surprised. But mostly I just want to see him play live. Did I mention that already???)(rocknroll)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Wordno on October 10, 2008, 11:13:21 AM
Quote from: 1580
JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.  Let me tell you, it was a phenomenal night, Wings absolutely rocked the house!

To this very day it's still the best concert I've ever seen in my entire life!

Wow! You're so lucky! Everyone who went to a Wings show in 1976 says that that was the best concert that they've ever been too. I know Jerry Seinfeld went to a Wings show in 76 and he also said that that is the best concert he has ever been too. The 76 line-up of Wings were on fire that year. All the members of the band had the charisma to really take Wings to the heavens. I'm jealous of you lol.

But Bluemeanie is right, WOA was recorded from several different venues. I would have thought Paul had a better ear for his own songs because I think he picked some of the worst versions of the 76 setlist and put them on WOA.  The definite best versions of those songs come from the Los Angeles show and the Seattle show which the majority of Rockshow(The Film) came from those two shows.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Ged on October 10, 2008, 11:31:25 AM
Mull of Kintyre and Pipes of Peace were no.1's in UK. He did Mull of Kintyre at the Royal Court in liverpool in 79, an intimate theatre and it sure was a crowd pleaser with Scotchie/bagpipes and all - a real singalong song. He also did Goodnight tonight at that show which was only recent as well as his then forthcoming single 'Wonderful Christmastime' - well, it was that time of year after all but i'm not advocating a repeat of that one ;)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 10, 2008, 04:19:32 PM
Wordno, I have to disagree with you about WOA, many and I do mean many say that it's one of the all time best live rock albums!  I think the versions of the songs are absolutely some of the very best!

Bluemeanie, I can't  speak for your memory but the songs I listed were #1hits, or top ten hits, or came from chart topping grammy nominated albums, and McCartney isn't performing any of them!

It could be said that the people who just want McCartney to keep cranking out the same old songs are the fanatics!  It's not just people on forums asking for McCartney to change his setlist, it's journalist, reviewers, interviewers, columnist, and of course fans.  I've read comments from all these people, here's a couple from two journalist, and think about it, if they're published journalist, how many readers may they have?

The suggested Paul McCartney setlist

By Tim Cain

I haven't seen Paul McCartney in concert, however much I'd like to.

When he was playing stadiums, I stayed away because the venues were too large. In the early 1990s, when he was playing arenas, I stayed away because I didn't want to see an oldies show, and if he was going to focus on his current material, I wasn't very interested anyway.

I was disappointed in McCartney's set at the Super Bowl this year. He trotted out some Beatles tunes, and the most recently released song he played was 1973's Live and Let Die.

(That beat his Live 8 set, which featured five Beatles songs, six if you count the one he did with U2.)

As expected, that Super Bowl show primed the pump for another McCartney tour. Tickets at United Center in Chicago ranged from $50 to hang on the rafters to $250 to see the whites of his eyes. (The two shows are sold out, but ticket brokers naturally are willing to take plenty of your hard-earned cash.)

Look, I present this knowing full well that Sir Paul McCartney couldn't care less about my presence at one of his shows. And he's one of the greatest showmen/businessmen in pop music history, so if he wants to trot out a 30-song setlist and have 75 percent of it be Beatles songs, he knows what his audience wants best. And if you want to drop that kind of cash to hear him run through those songs yet again, that's your business, and you'll get what you want, and everybody will go home happy.

And keep in mind you're not going to find many people who love The Beatles more than I do.

When The Who did the first of their couple hundred farewell tours, they played five songs off Quadrophenia, an album near and dear to my heart from its release. The guy sitting next to me kept asking me where these songs came from. By the fourth time I said Quadrophenia, he said, I gotta go buy that tomorrow. It would be nice for McCartney to provide similar prodding to his fans.

McCartney practically denied the existence of The Beatles in the early days of Wings. One of the causes for excitement during the 1976 release of Wings Over America was the appearance of four Beatles songs.

But now he's gone the other way and seems to be ignoring the last 35 years. It has its share of mediocre work, sure, but there's some fantastic material that seems to be sliding away. And in many ways, that's no one's fault but McCartney's.

So here's a proposed set list, even programmed with specific purposes in mind. This show would run a little over two hours, so if McCartney wanted to throw in a couple more Beatles songs, or some surprises (like playing Something on ukulele in tribute to George Harrison), there's room.

Band on the Run
Big Barn Bed
A Love For You
I Saw Her Standing There
Hi Hi Hi
Junior's Farm

As unhip as it is to say, Band on the Run is a fantastic album, easily McCartney's best solo work. Starting out with those complex rhythm changes would serve as a statement of purpose: This isn't your everyday McCartney show.

The next two are a little obscure.  Big Barn Bed is the first song on Red Rose Speedway (the album with My Love). Wings opened their shows with it for a little while. It's always been a favorite.  A Love For You was not officially released until the soundtrack of the remake of The In-Laws (of all places). Both have that unmistakable early 1970s McCartney feel. Classics.

The last three bring in those who might feel a little lost at sea because of the previous two songs. Hit singles, recognizable tunes, but two are still solo (or Wings) pieces.

Twenty Flight Rock
Little Woman Love
Momma's Little Girl
Brown-Eyed Handsome Man
Name and Address
I'm Carrying
Yesterday

Call this the unplugged portion of the show, although it's probably more stripped down than unplugged.  Twenty Flight Rock is one of Eddie Cochran's great songs, and a favorite of McCartney's.  Little Woman Love was the B-side to Wings 1972 Mary Had a Little Lamb single, and the shuffling rocker should have been a hit in its own right.

Momma's Little Girl was recorded in the early 1970s and eventually came out 15 years later. It would send people scurrying for the expanded Wild Life CD, or the 2-CD limited edition Flowers in the Dirt.

Then a chance to show off influences. McCartney recorded a nice Cajun version of Brown-Eyed Handsome Man for Run Devil Run, and Name and Address (from 1978's London Town) is one of his best Elvis tributes ever.

I'm Carrying is a sweet acoustic guitar-based song that would lead nicely into one of the greatest songs ever written. (Hey, I'll give him this one and Hey Jude. If you're going to drop money to see the guy who wrote two of the greatest songs in the history of the English language, he'd better sing em.)

Venus and Mars/Rock Show
Spin It On
Jet
Live and Let Die
Letting Go

I hope you caught your breath during that last set, Paul, because this section will wring it out of you. These are, quite simply, some of the best concert songs he's written. (The only reason I didn't have Venus and Mars/Rock Show lead off is to avoid a little bit of a cliche.) Spin It On, from 1979's Back to the Egg, is the obscurity, but find it, play it, and follow it immediately with Jet, and then write and tell me how cool it is.)

Maybe I'm Amazed
Yvonne's the One
Dear Boy
So Bad
Arrow Through Me
My Brave Face
Off the Ground
Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five

A nod toward some of the later-period hits (My Brave Face and So Bad were top five on the AOR charts, Off the Ground hit the top 30). Arrow Through Me should have been a single. Dear Boy is an album cut from Ram, an attack on Beatles partner John Lennon that still offers some entertaining backing vocals. And I've always said Yvonne's the One is one of the best songs McCartney gave away (to 10cc).

Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five provides some nice pre-encore theatricality, especially if the band is able to produce the cacophony of sound at the end. And if the Band on the Run out-chorus is pre-recorded, the group can take its bows and run off while the music is playing. Band on the run - get it? Get it?

Beautiful Night
Let It Be
Hey Jude

I might be alone in this, but I think Beautiful Night (from 1997's Flaming Pie) is one of the greatest songs McCartney's ever written. Its memorable chorus provides a setup for the last two songs, which feature even more memorable choruses.

This is the type setlist McCartney could easily do, and the crowds would absolutely love it!

Vadim Rizov, lifestyle editor for Washington Square News.

Paul McCartney played a thunderously dull set including some of the most famous songs in the world, nimbly avoiding the danger of any emotional effect.

The only thing surprising about McCartney's set, perhaps, was that he didn't play "Maybe I'm Amazed." Other than that, he remains the man with the world's most predictable setlist: a few Beatles songs just to remind everyone why he became legitimately famous in the first place, a solo number to reinforce his self-worth and the 357,000th rendition of "Hey Jude," which - if you did the math - he's probably played once for every day of his life. With a grimly efficient backing band behind him and a stadium packed full of the easily manipulated, things went off without a hitch. No one missed their cues, all the pre-coordinated fans waved their glowsticks in the air at the right moment and no one got injured by the fireworks.

The set was by-and-large a note-for-note reproduction of classic recorded tunes. Make no mistake: "Hey Jude," on a bad day, is one of the most comforting songs around. But somewhere along the way, a song intended to cheer up a kid worried about his parents' divorce became the song to end all inspirational songs. A song that speaks to everyone tends to end up being a song that speaks to no one.

Does it even matter? Is "Hey Jude" just a good song that we all know the words to, or does it mean anything more?

It's weird to look for meaning in a Super Bowl halftime show, at which the best-case scenario is that disaster is avoided and no one is unduly offended. But watching Paul McCartney perform songs with professional detachment - songs it's hard to imagine him caring about any longer - is to watch someone formerly exciting going through the motions, frozen in a pose they struck 35 years ago.

When McCartney storms through the fossilized canon, does he feel anything?

What about the stadium of glowstick-waving fans and fireworks? Did they respond to the songs themselves? Or did they respond to the spectacle, the environment, the chance to see one of the world's two living Beatles stop being a waxwork for a fleeting moment?

To be simultaneously united by a song everyone knows but is pretty much immune to is to be alone, together, united by familiarity but excited by nothing - which is kind of interesting, but ultimately boring.

This is from a reviewer named George Starostin

You could always argue that theoretically, a Paul McCartney show can't be all that great. Come on, even the Beatles themselves weren't the best live band in the world, and this is one fourth part of the Beatles. Come on, he just plays the songs the way they are. Come on, his backing bands are always interchangeable. Come on, the setlist is so painfully predictable it's almost laughable (although he did do 'She's Leaving Home', which even I couldn't have expected!). This is all true.

It's not just people on forums asking for McCartney to change his setlist.

With the tech today any song can be performed live, so his current band could easily do Uncle Albert.  Another #1 smash hit that has never ever been done is With A Little Luck, he could easily do it.  How many songs has he done on just one tour and never done again, there are plenty.

McCartney has tons of material he could and should be performing live!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Jane on October 10, 2008, 07:23:24 PM
As for me i would go to any McCartney show to hear him sing anything, the Beatles songs, the Wings songs. The reason is that I love him and I know a lot of his solo songs. But the vast majority doesn`t. What they know is mostly the Beatles songs and they would really be disappointed, if they heard some unknown stuff. I believe Macca should distinguish between different audiences. For example, if he sings in the USA and Britain he can afford to introduce more Wings songs, but if he goes to other countries he is expected to sing songs that are more familiar to the people, which are the Beatles songs. Sadly for some of you but it is so.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 10, 2008, 07:28:43 PM
The flip side of that is if they heard the unknown stuff...they COULD actually like it.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Jane on October 10, 2008, 07:59:53 PM
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The flip side of that is if they heard the unknown stuff...they COULD actually like it.

Right. But it should be better and more promoted. Especially before the tour, and in this case long before the tour. Not at the concert itself, cause some songs may not sink or get through. Unfortunately it isn`t done. Can a musician promote his own songs on the radio? can Macca do anything about it?

Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 10, 2008, 08:04:28 PM
Why couldn't he promote his own songs? I know that when I saw Paul the first time in concert (2002) he played a few songs that my mom hadn't heard before and she liked them so  :)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 10, 2008, 08:34:46 PM
I think some of this stuff is ridiculous!  When you go see an artist in concert you don't know what they are going to perform, it's up to the artist, people don't know ahead of time.  No one knows each and every song an artist is going to perform, you go to the show and experience whatever the artist decides to present.  

They don't promote the songs ahead of time to get the audience ready for what they are going to perform, you buy your ticket and go enjoy the show, you don't know ahead of time!

Also we're talking worldwide hits, again worldwide hits, these aren't some obscure unknown songs, they are known worldwide, so audiences would want to hear them!

The articles I posted from the journalist give excellent reasons why people want McCartney to change his setlist.

I'll say again, McCartney may never ever change his setlist, but it's way way way past time that he did!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Jane on October 10, 2008, 09:33:20 PM
Unfortunately you are not quite right. If it was a not so well-known musician, then people take a chance and go to listen to whatever he offers to them, knowing at least some of his songs. But Macca is a mega star with well-known hits, which everybody expects. The Wings stuff is not that well-known outside the 2 countries, or not that popular. Certainly people will come, but I guess Macca wants a stadium, a full house, then the choice will be the same again.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Wordno on October 10, 2008, 09:48:37 PM
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Wordno, I have to disagree with you about WOA, many and I do mean many say that it's one of the all time best live rock albums!  I think the versions of the songs are absolutely some of the very best!

get it? Get it?

 


I understand that many people believe that it is one of the best live rock albums, but most don't know that McCartney tampered with the songs and cleaned them up to perfection. If you've heard the raw versions of these songs from the different shows like I have, then you'd know my gripe about WOA. The album almost sounds like a studio album, that's how cleaned up it is. McCartney also reduces the speed of some of the songs like Venus and Mars-Rockshow. To me, his vocals sound unnatural to me because of the reduction of speed. If you think that WOA versions of the songs are great then you probably haven't heard too many versions from other shows. I think you should download Wings over America II(It's really Wings over Los Angeles) in the bootleg section of the forum. I believe our own JimmyMcCullochFan posted WOA II. You'll hear a major difference(Probably for the better) between the Raw versions and the "Live" versions from WOA.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 11, 2008, 03:43:42 PM
I have the boots so I know exactly what they sound like!

McCartney himself said that the only thing they did to WOA was tighten up some of the harmonies because some of them were off mike, WOA is the actual live recordings.  I believe Paul McCartney so all this other stuff just isn't true.

I always wondered how the myth got started that there was some massive clean up of WOA, the man himself says otherwise!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 11, 2008, 04:03:53 PM
^ You can't believe everything Paul says.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Wordno on October 11, 2008, 06:04:26 PM
Quote from: 1580
I have the boots so I know exactly what they sound like!

McCartney himself said that the only thing they did to WOA was tighten up some of the harmonies because some of them were off mike, WOA is the actual live recordings.  I believe Paul McCartney so all this other stuff just isn't true.

I always wondered how the myth got started that there was some massive clean up of WOA, the man himself says otherwise!

There is no way that the only thing Paul did to WOA was tighten up the harmonies. As a musician myself, I can clearly hear the changes he made on the songs. The fact that you've heard the bootlegs should be enough for you to hear the differences between the boots and the crisp clean WOA. I know that WOA is actual recording from live shows, what I saying is that McCartney took a lot of parts and redid them and not for the better in my opinion. Let me use an example. Listen to Jet from Wings over Melbourne in 1975(the performance can be found on Youtube) and then listen to Jet from Wings over Seattle(Also on Youtube) in 1976 and than listen to Jet on Wings Over America. Now listen to Joe English's drumming on WOM and on WOS and you'll hear on the raw versions that it is pretty much the same drumming. Then listen to the drumming on WOA and you'll hear a pretty big difference on the drumming. So do you really think on one night Joe decided to change his excellent drumming he did pretty much every show he did from 1975 to 1976 for one night? And it's not only Wings over Seattle and Wings over Melbourne that have the same drumming, it's also Wings over Los Angeles, Wings Over Tornonto, Wings over San Francisco etc. Paul and Wings definitely went back to the studio to clean up what they thought needed cleaning.

JimmyMcCullochFan is right. you can't believe everything Paul says. Does anyone really believe that Back to the Egg was a back to the basic raw rock and roll album that he said it would be? Everyone who has heard the record know that its far from a raw rock and roll album. The myth about a massive clean up on WOA is a true myth.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 11, 2008, 06:19:17 PM
Compare and contrast these versions of Medicine Jar (If you wouldn't mind also Wordno)

1a-Oofu4gMQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a-Oofu4gMQ)

^ Wings Over America version

ddGeGgetfj0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddGeGgetfj0)

^ Wings Over Seattle version...it's video is missing some of the song of you get the idea.

Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: DaveRam on October 11, 2008, 08:51:57 PM
This is my radical setlist change for Paul .

1.Lovely Rita
2.With A little Help From My Freinds
3.Hi Hi Hi
4.Helen Wheels
5.Michelle
6.I'm looking Through You
7.That Was Me
8.Silly Love Songs
9.Another Day
10.Mrs Vanderbilt
11.Everynight
12.Junk
13.House Of Wax
14.No More Lonley Nights
15.Uncle Albert /Admiral Halsey
16.Sing The Changes
17.Listen To What The Man Said
18.Can't Buy Me Love
19.And I Love Her
20.Maxwell's Silver Hammer
21.Rocky Racoon
22.Oh Darling
23.Coming Up
24.Tug Of War
25.Fool On The Hill
26.Little Lamb Dragonfly
27.Wanderlust
28.C'mon People

Encore
29.Live And Let Die
30.Come And Get It
31.Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 11, 2008, 09:47:24 PM
Daveram, your setlist is a change, but it doesn't rock hard enough, not enough of those fantastic Wings rockers!

Guys believe whatever you want, but I'll stick with the man himself!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: DaveRam on October 11, 2008, 10:19:26 PM
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Daveram, your setlist is a change, but it doesn't rock hard enough, not enough of those fantastic Wings rockers!

Guys believe whatever you want, but I'll stick with the man himself!

Thank you maccafan , i was trying to protect his voice a bit , with a slightly softer set , i have some concerns in that department and although i like it when he rocks , he is going to be 67 next year .
I really do think you have to take that into account .
I was watching some film of Tina Turner on her American tour and although she looks and sounds great , her vocal at 68 is not what it was on some of her more rocking numbers .
I would like to see some good backing singers on the next tour ? think that would help Paul especially if he's going to be touring for over a year .

Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 12, 2008, 01:58:43 AM
McCartney with backing singers, OMG NO!

Rusty, Abe, Wix, and Brian sing excellent!

McCartney can sing his rockers just fine, he just proved it yet again two weeks ago!  Besides this is a rock concert you can't go soft, McCartney's shows are already soft enough.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: DaveRam on October 12, 2008, 09:27:03 AM
John George and Ringo were great backing singers so it's not a new concept .
And yes the band do their share , i just think a couple  more would smooth out some of the rough edges that are appearing .
I've listend to Paul's voice since the "Brit" appearance and i think his voice is not as strong through out a performance , it's still good , but for me the cracks are showing .
It's not a question of going soft it's more a question of supporting Paul and looking after his welfare .
These one off shows are not the same as a gruelling tour which could last a year maccafan ?

Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Brynjar on October 12, 2008, 10:43:58 AM
Yeah I agree, when I saw him perform the Liverpool concert this year on TV, I guessed which songs he would sing next and most of time I was right. It was all too familiar. Apart from surprises of course (Lennon songs).

One song I wish he would perform is Young Boy.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Penny Lane on October 12, 2008, 11:18:18 AM
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One song I wish he would perform is Young Boy.

"Young Boy" is a truly wonderful song.  I was just telling my husband last week that I think "Young Boy" is the best track on the "Flaming Pie" album.  I would love to see it performed live. :)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 12, 2008, 02:59:56 PM
I like Young Boy as well, McCartney likes the rough edges, it sounds more rock and roll.

I've e-mailed McCartney's two guitarist asking them to please let McCartney know that people want to hear more of the Wings and solo material.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 12, 2008, 05:43:08 PM
^ They won't ask him, trust me.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 13, 2008, 02:15:36 AM
I don't know, I received an e-mail back from Brian Ray and he said that indeed there will be Wings songs, now I don't know if this means new and different Wings songs?  I'm encouraged though because I was very specific in my e-mail, I even suggested certain songs so Mr. Ray couldn't misunderstand what I was asking!

All I can say is we will see!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 13, 2008, 02:57:04 AM
^Well yeah there will be Wings songs but they aren't going to ASK Paul to play more Wings stuff.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 13, 2008, 04:41:30 PM
As I said, I don't know, I am encouraged!  Who knows what they may suggest to McCartney?

They would probably love to play some totally different material.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Penny Lane on October 13, 2008, 07:42:19 PM
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^Well yeah there will be Wings songs but they aren't going to ASK Paul to play more Wings stuff.

Sorry to sound naive, but how do you know they won't ask Paul?   :-/

Maccafan, that's cool that you were able to get in touch with Paul's guitarist.  Perhaps he won't mention anything at all, but it doesn't hurt to try.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 13, 2008, 07:58:14 PM
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Sorry to sound naive, but how do you know they won't ask Paul?   :-/

Maccafan, that's cool that you were able to get in touch with Paul's guitarist.  Perhaps he won't mention anything at all, but it doesn't hurt to try.

Because Brian has emailed me before and told me that they don't ask Paul those types of things etc

Paul,
Hey, good luck with that! should be fun...
We in the band don't bring news or proposals to Paul.

All the best,
Brian
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Penny Lane on October 13, 2008, 08:26:47 PM
^  Ohhh, I see.  That's kind of sad to hear.   :-/
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 13, 2008, 08:35:01 PM
Yeah but it's understandable because I am sure they get thousands of emails from fans asking if they would tell stuff to Paul for them.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 13, 2008, 11:38:18 PM
Here's the thing though, they do suggest songs to McCartney all the time, so once again who knows what they may be suggesting!

As I said, I am encouraged!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Penny Lane on October 13, 2008, 11:56:21 PM
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Here's the thing though, they do suggest songs to McCartney all the time, so once again who knows what they may be suggesting!

As I said, I am encouraged!

I really admire your optimism.   :) :)

When you wrote to Paul's guitarists, did you happen to ask if/when Paul will tour?  Because there have been endless rumors about Paul doing an American/world tour.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 14, 2008, 06:50:55 AM
penny Lane, all he said was stay tuned for further dates.

Yes I am optimistic, Paul McCartney just has too much absolutely fantastic music that he should be performing!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: BlueMeanie on October 14, 2008, 10:51:39 AM
Quote from: 1580
Here's the thing though, they do suggest songs to McCartney all the time, so once again who knows what they may be suggesting!

As I said, I am encouraged!

You don't give up do you? Did you read JimmyMcCullochFan's post? They don't suggest songs to Paul. It's not Wings, it's a backing band for Paul solo. I expect they pretty much do what they're told and bank the cheques.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 14, 2008, 12:25:32 PM
I remember the tour announcement for the '05 tour would have more Wings songs and that got me all excited...boy was I disappointed where there weren't anymore Wings songs than the usual BOTR, Jet etc
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Wordno on October 14, 2008, 02:07:23 PM
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I remember the tour announcement for the '05 tour would have more Wings songs and that got me all excited...boy was I disappointed where there weren't anymore Wings songs than the usual BOTR, Jet etc

And then of course you had Paul on that tour say "This is for all you Wings fans" and proceeded to play 'Too many people'. Of course  'Too Many People' came out before Wings was even formed and was never played live by any of the Wings line-ups lol.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 14, 2008, 02:47:58 PM
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And then of course you had Paul on that tour say "This is for all you Wings fans" and proceeded to play 'Too many people'. Of course  'Too Many People' came out before Wings was even formed and was never played live by any of the Wings line-ups lol.

I know, when he said that I was like what the heck Paul this isn't a Wings song :P
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Andy Smith on October 14, 2008, 04:00:16 PM
He should put Another Day back in there. a great macca song!  :)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 14, 2008, 07:29:19 PM
In the e-mailed I received from Mr. Ray he said that they do suggest songs to McCartney all the time!  The reason I e-mailed them in the first place is because I read that they suggest songs to McCartney.

Do you guys know that they've rehearsed Junior's Farm, The Night Before, Another Girl, What You're Doing and several others?  I don't know why they haven't performed them, but they have rehearsed them.  I read it in an interview with Rusty Anderson.  In fact that's the reason McCartney started performing Helter Skelter and Too Many people, they suggested them to McCartney!

McCartney has said himself that they suggest songs to him, of course it's ultimately up to McCartney, but they do make suggestions.

So as I said, I'm encouraged!

Here's my thing, I don't understand how anyone who likes McCartney wouldn't want to hear as much of this mans fantastic music live as is humanly possible?  This man has so much and I do mean so much awesome music, why wouldn't you want to hear it live?

I totally understand that he may never ever perform it, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't or that he couldn't.  He has said that he will never stop performing live, so I will never stop hoping and asking for more variety on stage!

Because I know if McCartney would perform some of this fantastic music, the crowds would absolutely love it!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 14, 2008, 07:53:21 PM
Guys here's a little bit of an interview with Rusty Anderson right after the Driving Rain tour.  I didn't get all of it but this part relates to our discussion.

An Interview with Rusty Anderson

How are you doing?
 
I'm doing great - getting back into the LA world here, after the tour. I got a work out in today. it's very different on the road - it was nice having gyms in the hotels etc and not having to drive to things.

Did you know when you were doing Driving Rain that there would be a tour?
 
There was talk about it - paul was very cautious at that point. I think that Paul had been through so many things but once things started kicking in there was a complete difference. Driving Rain was him coming out of a cave. He was coming out of a deep grieving process. That's one thing that really impressed me about him - he spoke very candidly after I'd known him for a very little time about things like that. He was very in touch with his human-ness and that was very inspiring.

Did you have any input on what songs were performed on the tour?
 
There was some sort of magic in the way it all happened. I think Paul was on the same wavelength as everyone. I was really happy when I saw the original set list. I suggested It's Getting Better and he thought that was great - and we suggested some other ones but I think those will end up in the next tour. He's got a lot of songs and it's nice to change it up. Things will morph into the next tour but I was very pleased with the set list. I thought it kept on getting better.


So there you go guys, they do suggest songs, so as I said, who knows what they may be suggesting for the upcoming tour?  Let's keep our fingers crossed!

I found this interview on the Macca Reports website.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 14, 2008, 08:02:54 PM
I'm not getting my hopes up.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Wordno on October 15, 2008, 03:41:05 PM
Reality is a bitter pill to swallow. I'm sure fans have been asking Paul for years to change the setlist and for years we've been getting pretty much the same setlist. A few fan requests isn't going to get him to change his setlist. McCartney does what McCartney wants and he doesn't want to change his setlist.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Ged on October 15, 2008, 03:53:28 PM
It's all a bit safe isn't it though. Keeping it as it is forever.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Jane on October 15, 2008, 07:10:14 PM
Don`t give up hope, guys! Miracles happen!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 15, 2008, 09:13:33 PM
You don't have to worry about me, I believe in Miracles!

If you could talk with McCartney he'd probably tell you that his whole life has been a miracle!

Ged, it's much worse than safe, it's predictable, common, old, not representative of his career, and doesn't even begin to show the variety of fantastic music that McCartney has created!

If fans have been asking for years, what does that say?
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 15, 2008, 09:19:06 PM
^ That Paul doesn't listen to his fans and does what he wants regardless.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: DoBotherMe on October 15, 2008, 09:43:48 PM
I read somewhere that Paul is the keeper of the Beatles legacy. It may be that he sees it as his mission to perpetuate the Beatles eminence. He does seem to love the Fabs and would do anything for them. Every time I see him now, I tear up because he is so special in so many ways. Dana ; )
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: fendertele on October 15, 2008, 10:12:55 PM
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You don't have to worry about me, I believe in Miracles!

If you could talk with McCartney he'd probably tell you that his whole life has been a miracle!

Ged, it's much worse than safe, it's predictable, common, old, not representative of his career, and doesn't even begin to show the variety of fantastic music that McCartney has created!

If fans have been asking for years, what does that say?

A) he's either forgot how to play the songs  B) may feel he cant do them justice anymore C) doesnt particulary like them anymore D) see's his current setlist as bigger draw.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 15, 2008, 10:26:16 PM
1976 Wings Tour Setlist.

5 out of 29 songs were Beatle songs. 17%

1979 Wings Tour Setlist.

3 out of 21 songs were Beatle songs. 14%

1989 Tour Setlist.

17 out of 31 songs were Beatle songs. 54%

1993 Tour Setlist.

16 out of 32 songs were Beatle songs. 50%

2002 Tour Setlist.

22 out of 36 songs were Beatle songs. 61%

2005 Tour Setlist.

26 out of 37 songs were Beatle songs. 70%
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 16, 2008, 12:22:14 AM
As a result of those percentages, more and more of his fans are becoming dissatisfied and more and more of them are saying they will skip his shows.

It just doesn't have to be that way.

It amazes me that all these reasons why only seem to apply to his Wings and solo material.

Guys if he can play the Beatles, he can play anything else in his career!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Wordno on October 16, 2008, 12:28:20 AM
Quote from: 1580
As a result of those percentages, more and more of his fans are becoming dissatisfied and more and more of them are saying they will skip his shows.

It just doesn't have to be that way.

It amazes me that all these reasons why only seem to apply to his Wings and solo material.

Guys if he can play the Beatles, he can play anything else in his career!


You're right, it doesn't have to be that way. But that doesn't mean it's going to change. I think you're being a wishful thinker. While it's good to be optimistic, I think you're borderlining into being naive.

Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: JimmyMcCullochFan on October 16, 2008, 01:17:07 AM
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You're right, it doesn't have to be that way. But that doesn't mean it's going to change. I think you're being a wishful thinker. While it's good to be optimistic, I think you're borderlining into being naive.


Agreed.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Penny Lane on October 16, 2008, 02:20:05 AM
Quote from: 1580
You don't have to worry about me, I believe in Miracles!

It would be a miracle for me if Macca were to announce a 2009 American tour right this very second.

*shuffles off to daydream more about finally seeing Paul in concert*  :B :B :B
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 16, 2008, 05:21:54 AM
Guys I've already said that McCartney may never ever change his setlist, did you miss that part?

There were people who said he'd never perform anything from Ram, they also said that he'd never perform Mrs. Vanderbilt, I remember when they were saying that he'd never do Helter skelter and now he's done all of the above.

So it's not naivety, it's hope, belief, and keeping an open mind!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Jane on October 16, 2008, 06:43:17 PM
Maccafan, I like your enthusiasm very much as well as your loving attitude to Paul!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 17, 2008, 03:58:18 PM
Something I notice on the many threads I contribute to, most people are really Beatles fans, the difference is I'm a Paul McCartney fan!

That's another reason I want him to change his setlist, I enjoy all of his career not just one phase of it.  I know I'm not the only one!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: dogpuppet on October 17, 2008, 06:02:03 PM
Quote from: 1580
That's another reason I want him to change his setlist, I enjoy all of his career not just one phase of it.  I know I'm not the only one!

Nah, you're not the only one. I think he ought to come up with like 4 different setlists for each tour, so it's not the same thing every single night, but the lighting can still programmed.
I'm holding out for Ballroom Dancing and Monkberry Moon Delight, myself.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 18, 2008, 12:06:01 AM
I have to admit Dogpuppet I don't like Ballroom Dancing but Monkberry Moon Delight would rock live!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: tkitna on October 18, 2008, 12:53:21 AM
Quote from: 1580
As a result of those percentages, more and more of his fans are becoming dissatisfied and more and more of them are saying they will skip his shows.

Only to be replaced with other people. Its a cycle that'll happen as long as he tours. Regardless of what he plays, Paul does not have any issues with filling the seats.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Penny Lane on October 18, 2008, 08:40:01 AM
Quote from: 373
Regardless of what he plays, Paul does not have any issues with filling the seats.

Agreed.  Heck, the man could be standing onstage just eating a bowl of Cocoa Puffs and people would still go see him! ;D

Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Brynjar on October 18, 2008, 03:11:06 PM
Quote from: 1620

Agreed.  Heck, the man could be standing onstage just eating a bowl of Cocoa Puffs and people would still go see him! ;D


True, true. (grin)

Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 18, 2008, 03:15:31 PM
So if that is true, then there should be absolutely no problem with him performing more of his Wings and solo material!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: tkitna on October 19, 2008, 01:39:32 AM
Quote from: 1580
So if that is true, then there should be absolutely no problem with him performing more of his Wings and solo material!

Your right. You should get ahold of him and tell him.
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on October 19, 2008, 05:42:30 PM
Tkitna, believe me I am trying!
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: Bobber on May 14, 2013, 08:15:41 PM
Did Paul really play this setlist in Brazil?

Blue Suede Shoes
Got To Get You Into My Life
Sing The Changes
Let 'Em In
Calico Skies
We Can Work It Out
Eight Days A Week
Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite!
Lovely Rita
Another Day
Hope Of Deliverance
Listen To What The Man Said
Hi Hi Hi
All Together Now
Your Mother Should Know
Blackbird
Here Today
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: tkitna on May 15, 2013, 12:13:41 AM
Here's what I got from a different site.

The setlist for Mineirao, Belo Horizonte, Brazil for May 4, 2013 was:

Eight Days A Week (from Beatles For Sale, 1964)
Junior’s Farm (single, 1974)
All My Loving (from With The Beatles, 1963)
Listen To What The Man Said (from Venus & Mars, 1975)
Let Me Roll It (from Band On The Run, 1973)
Paperback Writer (single, 1966)
My Valentine (from Kisses On The Bottom, 2012)
Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five (from Band On The Run, 1973)
The Long And Winding Road (from Let It Be, 1970)
Maybe I’m Amazed (from McCartney, 1970)
Hope Of Deliverance (from Off The Ground, 1993)
We Can Work It Out (single, 1965)
Another Day (single, 1971)
And I Love Her (From A Hard Days Night, 1964)
Blackbird (from The Beatles, 1968)
Here Today (from Tug Of War, 1982)
Your Mother Should Know (from Magical Mystery Tour, 1967)
Lady Madonna (single, 1968)
All Together Now (from Yellow Submarine, 1969)
Mrs Vandebilt (from Band On The Run, 1973)
Eleanor Rigby (from Revolver, 1966)
Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite (from Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band, 1967)
Something (from Abbey Road, 1969)
Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da (from The Beatles, 1968)
Band On The Run (from Band On The Run, 1973)
Hi Hi Hi (single, 1972)
Back In The USSR (from The Beatles, 1968)
Let It Be (from Let It Be, 1970)
Live and Let Die (single, 1973)
Hey Jude (single, 1968)

Day Tripper (single, 1965)
Lovely Rita (from Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band, 1967)
Get Back (from Let It Be, 1970)

Yesterday (from Help, 1965)
Helter Skelter (from The Beatles, 1968)
Golden Slumbers (from Abbey Road, 1969)
Carry That Weight (from Abbey Road, 1969)
The End (from Abbey Road, 1969)
Title: Re: Time for Setlist change
Post by: maccafan on May 30, 2013, 08:10:08 AM
See guys it's getting better and better!

Who ever thought a current McCartney setlist would contain...

Junior's Farm
1985
Ms Vandebilt
Listen To What The Man Said
Hi Hi Hi - this one has me totally excited!
Hope Of Deliverance

So as I've always said, who knows what McCartney may decide to perform?