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Title: Within you, Without you...
Post by: on July 22, 2005, 01:11:34 AM
For me this is a George masterpiece. The lyrics are amazing, possibly the best track on Sgt Pepper.

We were talking - about the space between us all
And the people - who hide themselves behind a
   wall of illusion
Never glimpse the truth - then it's far too late -
   when they pass away.

We were talking - about the love we all could
   share - when we find it
To try our best to hold it there - with our love
With our love - we could save the world - if
   they only knew.

Try to realise it's all within yourself no-one else
   can make you change
And to see you're really only very small,
   and life flows on within you and without you.

We were talking - about the love that's gone so
   cold and the people,
Who gain the world and lose their soul -
   they don't know - they can't see - are you one
   of them?

When you've seen beyond yourself - then you
   may find, peace of mind is waiting there -
And the time will come when you see
   we're all one, and life flows on within you and
   without you.
Title: Re: Within you, Without you...
Post by: tkitna on July 22, 2005, 02:18:22 AM
I'll give it a 2. This and 'When I'm 64' should have been tossed on Peppers and 'Strawberry Fields' and 'I Am The Walrus' should have been put on it. Now that would have been an album.
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Post by: ma_tt2 on July 22, 2005, 03:00:55 AM
Quote from: tkitna
I'll give it a 2. This and 'When I'm 64' should have been tossed on Peppers and 'Strawberry Fields' and 'I Am The Walrus' should have been put on it. Now that would have been an album.

Im pretty sure I am the walrus was after sgt peppers came out It could have penny lane on it but personally I really like when I'm 64 and I dont mind within you, without you. I wouldn't call it a George masterpiece tho

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Post by: on July 22, 2005, 03:10:02 AM
This song is boring, it drones on and on, I don't even think George took it too seriously given the laughter at the end. Why didn't you post this under Songs? Its a song, right?
Title: Re: Within you, Without you...
Post by: tkitna on July 22, 2005, 03:13:28 AM
Quote from: ma_tt2

Im pretty sure I am the walrus was after sgt peppers came out It could have penny lane on it but personally I really like when I'm 64 and I dont mind within you, without you. I wouldn't call it a George masterpiece tho


Yeah, I know, but I still want those two.

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Post by: number14 on July 22, 2005, 03:30:22 AM
I dont Like it, it isnt a good song, I dont know why, Love you too is a lot better personally, I rated it a 2
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Post by: ma_tt2 on July 22, 2005, 06:12:54 AM
Quote from: juniorsfarm
This song is boring, it drones on and on, I don't even think George took it too seriously given the laughter at the end. Why didn't you post this under Songs? Its a song, right?


isnt that supposed to be crying at the end which some people took the meaning of the song as within and without paul, part of the paul is dead hoax
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Post by: Brynjar on July 22, 2005, 03:51:29 PM
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Post by: on July 22, 2005, 04:35:52 PM
love it! i gave it a four
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Post by: on July 23, 2005, 03:45:18 AM
Quote from: ma_tt2


isnt that supposed to be crying at the end which some people took the meaning of the song as within and without paul, part of the paul is dead hoax

No.
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Post by: Wordno on July 23, 2005, 04:15:22 AM
I like the song a lot.  It has a deep meaning.  Its just a deep song and I think the lyrics are great.  I gave it a 5.  Its one of my favorites on Pepper.
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Post by: In Blue Hawaii on July 23, 2005, 05:11:20 AM
..and the melody is just topnotch. Just like "The Inner Light." Like Paul said, forget the Indian stuff, just listen to the melody.
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Post by: Bobber on July 23, 2005, 08:32:01 AM
Quote from: MagicAlex
..and the melody is just topnotch. Just like "The Inner Light." Like Paul said, forget the Indian stuff, just listen to the melody.

It's kinda hard to forget about the Indian stuff with so many around...
Title: Re: Within you, Without you...
Post by: adamzero on July 23, 2005, 02:01:31 PM
I really like the song and the lyrics are great, but it does go on too long--essentially the verses get repeated--I think a little George Martin (and editing) could have come in handy at this point.  

Could have been the second best song on the album a little shorter.  Of Course I guess the song's like time or duration--that always seems to go on a little longer than we expect.  
Title: Re: Within you, Without you...
Post by: on July 24, 2005, 06:43:16 AM
I like the song, but i gave it a 3 in comparison with others. It does indeed go for quite a long time.
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Post by: mclen57 on July 24, 2005, 07:16:37 PM
Quote from: MagicAlex
..and the melody is just topnotch. Just like "The Inner Light." Like Paul said, forget the Indian stuff, just listen to the melody.
I thought Jeff Lynn's performance of Inner Light at the concert for George was just absolutely perfecto! Only George himself could've done it better.
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Post by: Soft_Guitar60 on July 24, 2005, 08:49:16 PM
This is an underrated song. I like the song, although the song is a bit too long...
I'll give it a 4.
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Post by: scousette on August 09, 2005, 09:22:50 PM
I'm pleasantly surprised that so many voted "4" on this.  I think it's way ahead of its time.   The orchestral arrangement by George Martin is magnificent.  The lyrics, while esoteric, are more meaningful now that I'm older and wiser LOL.
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Post by: Lostio on August 10, 2005, 02:04:26 AM
I really despise this song. The ultimate George breakdown.

It really annoys me how this totally ruins the perfection of the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

I always hated this song and would rate it an 0 if possible. Yet, I gave it a 1, which is more than it deserves.

Really, I get no pleasure at all while listening to this song. I simply can't get what is there of any good about this song.
Title: Re: Within you, Without you...
Post by: on August 11, 2005, 03:07:25 PM
Quote from: Lostio
I really despise this song. The ultimate George breakdown.

It really annoys me how this totally ruins the perfection of the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band album.

I always hated this song and would rate it an 0 if possible. Yet, I gave it a 1, which is more than it deserves.

Really, I get no pleasure at all while listening to this song. I simply can't get what is there of any good about this song.

Try to realise it's all within yourself no one else can make you change.
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Post by: ewomack on August 13, 2005, 07:02:15 PM
George's experimentations with the Indian sound in 1966-1967 confused a lot of Beatles' fans. But they're pretty adventerous, innovative, gutsy, and new. Plus, they all have great melodies and orchestration.

I think I read that "Within Without You" is the one track on Sgt. Pepper that doesn't feature the other 3 Beatles (apparently they didn't want to learn sitar and tabla ;D). Though the song is a little flawed in places (it tries to mix the Indian raga - typically a VERY long song - with a European pop song) overall it succeeds very well with what it sets out to do. It's definitely not for everyone. And arguably it sounds a little out of place on Sgt. Pepper's. Still, it expands the breadth of the album.

What it also did was introduce Indian classical music to a whole generation of non-Indian people. It might also have inspired the nascent Bollywood (though this is pure speculation).

I love the strings and the lyrics (I'm not sure if the words were borrowed from classical texts in the same way as "Love You Too" or if George wrote them or both). I'd give it a 4.
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Post by: Mairi on August 15, 2005, 04:27:01 PM
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Post by: Yamisonic on August 17, 2005, 04:08:28 PM
Its okay. The end is horrible IMO
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Post by: scousette on August 17, 2005, 04:17:59 PM
Quote from: Yamisonic
Its okay. The end is horrible IMO

You mean the laughter?

Title: Re: Within you, Without you...
Post by: on August 17, 2005, 04:40:34 PM
Quote from: ewomack
George's experimentations with the Indian sound in 1966-1967 confused a lot of Beatles' fans. But they're pretty adventerous, innovative, gutsy, and new. Plus, they all have great melodies and orchestration.

I think I read that "Within Without You" is the one track on Sgt. Pepper that doesn't feature the other 3 Beatles (apparently they didn't want to learn sitar and tabla ;D). Though the song is a little flawed in places (it tries to mix the Indian raga - typically a VERY long song - with a European pop song) overall it succeeds very well with what it sets out to do. It's definitely not for everyone. And arguably it sounds a little out of place on Sgt. Pepper's. Still, it expands the breadth of the album.

What it also did was introduce Indian classical music to a whole generation of non-Indian people. It might also have inspired the nascent Bollywood (though this is pure speculation).

I love the strings and the lyrics (I'm not sure if the words were borrowed from classical texts in the same way as "Love You Too" or if George wrote them or both). I'd give it a 4.

I think that The Inner Light was the only lyric adapted from classical texts.