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Solo forums => George Harrison => Topic started by: GreenApple on November 15, 2006, 05:03:47 PM
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If I Needed Someone. Really gets into my very being. Like some songs can.
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If I Needed Someone gets into my can.
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Go with that choice. A big leap for our George. That was his Byrds influence I take it.
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Yes, and based on the D Chord. George said that, that line, or variations on it are found in many songs and that he was amazed that people still find permutations of the same notes. ( From: A Hard Day's Write)
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I did notice straight off this time. ;D
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And another thing about it, it sounds more advanced than the other songs on an album that was a new advance for them. IMO.
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I never thought of that but you're probably right (have to listen to make sure). Seems to definately point the way ahead. Well spotted.
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I do enjoy Don't Bother Me (it's as good as most of the other stuff from John and Paul included on the album) ...
... and I Need You (an underrated song ... and better than some of the others of the album too)
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I do enjoy Don't Bother Me (it's as good as most of the other stuff from John and Paul included on the album) ...
... and I Need You (an underrated song ... and better than some of the others of the album too)
I agree with you for both. But If I Needed Someone was the first, IMO, to display excellence.
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If I Needed Someone. Really gets into my very being. Like some songs can.
Can't argue with that.
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Every time I hear it, emotionally I feel that it's the greatest Beatles song ever. When I think about the Beatles though, I often think that if one is the best it must be A Day In The Life. So, it's a kind of emotional-intellectual conflict. Right now I'm saying If I Needed Someone is the best. I'm not hearing it now. But, I feel like saying that. It's from my all-round favourite Beatle too. I might be changing over to George's song as the best permanently. WMGGW is another George song that reaches parts most songs can't.
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I can not fault any of George`s beatle songs from RUBBERSOUL onwards but one of his songs i feel is a masterpiece is ALL THINGS MUST PASS a song i never tire of listening to GEORGE was a remarkable musican. :)
But to answer the question i would say TAXMAN a bit obvious i know sorry :B
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I much prefer the demo version of ATMP. It's got so much feeling to it.
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Absolutley, the song in any form is a masterpiece .
Another song that stands out for me DEAR ONE another song with such emotion
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Absolutley, the song in any form is a masterpiece .
Another song that stands out for me DEAR ONE another song with such emotion
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Absolutley, the song in any form is a masterpiece .
Another song that stands out for me DEAR ONE another song with such emotion
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Absolutley, the song in any form is a masterpiece .
Another song that stands out for me DEAR ONE another song with such emotion
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Absolutley, the song in any form is a masterpiece .
Another song that stands out for me DEAR ONE another song with such emotion
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Absolutley, the song in any form is a masterpiece .
Another song that stands out for me DEAR ONE another song with such emotion
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Absolutley, the song in any form is a masterpiece .
Another song that stands out for me DEAR ONE another song with such emotion
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"Cry for a Shadow" ain't bad. And I like "Don't Bother Me." "If I Needed Someone" is great and so is "Taxman." "I Want to Tell You" and "Love to You" not quite as good.
But I'd have to say his most cosmic, first great song is "Within You or Without You"--easily on the level lyrically of anything John wrote (and John liked this song). And just as great as "Tomorrow Never Knows."
And I don't think there are any other Beatles on it.
The instrumental track on Anthology is great by itself.
And I still don't know why those knuckleheads didn't immediately record and release "All Things Must Pass" when crap like "Dig It" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" were deemed important.
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I do enjoy Don't Bother Me (it's as good as most of the other stuff from John and Paul included on the album) ...
... and I Need You (an underrated song ... and better than some of the others of the album too)
I'll second this.
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I've always felt the first song he recorded, Don't Bother Me, was great. It's fun to listen to his early takes to see how this song evolved. In my opinion, his songs just kept getting better all the time culminating with masterpieces like While My Guitar Gently Weeps and Here Comes The Sun. I've always admired his quiet and persistent mastery of both the guitar and his songwriting ability.
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is it just me or did mr. kite repeat the same response like 6 times?
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I love You Know What To Do ... a really hidden treasure! :)
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And I still don't know why those knuckleheads didn't immediately record and release "All Things Must Pass" when crap like "Dig It" and "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" were deemed important.
This is a mystery, adamzero. I wondered at several of their choices at that time, considering some of the songs that were released vs. others that were held over for the solo careers (although they didn't plan it that way at the time). I think it robbed the Beatles legacy of some truly fine work, which is regrettable, because I think the solo careers are followed by only a fraction of the Beatles following. So frustrating!
But choosing the songs to bump, that would be hard. I have my list, but then I see the songs I would bump appear as someone else's favorite tracks. I suppose it was that way with the Beatles as well. Or as George once said, you didn't necessarily bring in your best song, but the one you thought would be easiest for the group to understand and work with. So there might have been some of that pressure as well.
Great first song: Am I the only one addicted to "Think For Yourself?" I love it as well as "If I Needed Someone". Rubber Soul was George's breakout album, IMHO.
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Rubber Soul is an incredible album. I think the Revolver-mania makes it and Sgt. Pepper get shoved to the side. Unfairly. John's work on Rubber Soul is as good or better than Revolver.
I think George comes out slightly better on Revolver than Rubber Soul just because he gets an extra song and the album opener. Still, If I Needed Someone is a classic.
I really like Think for Yourself, but that damned fuzz-bass is too hot in the mix. And I think there's a second bass (unfuzzed) under it too. I'd love to hear a mix of it without the fuzz.
George was kicking ass by the mid-60s as a songwriter. Gotta love his chord changes.
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I think George comes out slightly better on Revolver than Rubber Soul just because he gets an extra song and the album opener. Still, If I Needed Someone is a classic.
Heartily agree with both statements! Yes, 3 George songs are better than 2. Especially when they're all so good! :)
George was kicking ass by the mid-60s as a songwriter. Gotta love his chord changes.
I love this quote of Bob Dylan's, "Their chords were outrageous, just outrageous, and their harmonies made it all valid..." Well, George was the source of those outrageous chords (or "naughty" chords, as he would have preferred to call them). I love the story of George and Bob sitting down together and George saying, "Give me some words!" and Bob saying "What about those chords?" :D
I just bought Rubber Soul. *skips and jumps* I own hardly any Beatles music, but I found a deal on this and snapped it up. So now I own 4 Beatles albums. Thank goodness for the library and YouTube!
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My friend, Harihead, you have A LOT of Beatles to discover! ;D
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My friend, Harihead, you have A LOT of Beatles to discover! ;D
An awful lot!!
Happy hunting :)
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I am so looking forward to it! Getting to possess and revel in these treasures will be like reading Lord of the Rings for the first time. Not to be missed!
BlueMeanie, here's a present for you. Cheers!
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BlueMeanie, here's a present for you. Cheers!
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His next avatar? 8)
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His next avatar? 8)
Somehow 8) ... or the idea for ...
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I Need You. His best with Beatles to me is Long Long Long.
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I Need You. His best with Beatles to me is Long Long Long.
What? :o Long Long Long is in my top 10!!! How underated it is!!! I think it's one of the hidden treasures of their whole catalogue! I like your taste, wingsman ;D ...
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Somehow 8) ... or the idea for ...
Talking to yourself, raxo?
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Don't Bother Me i think was quite impressive for a first song, so i'd choose that!
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Don't Bother Me i think was quite impressive for a first song, so i'd choose that!
The one I'd chosen ... he begun with a great song ... and it was his first song so ;D ...
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I like Don't Bother Me... but I like I Need You more, and Think For Yourself even more...
So I dunno whether I should go with Don't Bother Me or I Need You :-/
I agree with Hello Goodbye when he said:
In my opinion, his songs just kept getting better all the time
And I definitely agree with this too:
I've always admired his quiet and persistent mastery of both the guitar and his songwriting ability.
I've always admired how hard he worked and how focused he was as far as mastering the guitar (and developing songwriting abilities) were concerned... from what I read, it "didn't come easy" (do excuse the pun :B)
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I agree with you and Hello Goodbye ... some others may agree too about George's abilities ... some others don't ... but I love this sentence: "his quiet and persistent mastery of both the guitar and his songwriting ability" ... I think it says it all! :)
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I need you
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Within You, Without You
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It's nice to see this topic revisited. To expound a bit more on my choice of Don't Bother Me, I remember hearing it for the first time on Meet The Beatles in early 1964. Its minor key and double-tracked vocal by George really struck me. The song's mood was different than the others on this album. I remember taking the record off the player right after I heard this track to see its credits. I learned early on that George's efforts were to be admired and I looked forward to his pieces on later albums. But it wasn't until a couple of years ago when I purchased The Alternate With The Beatles that I fully appreciated what this man did in creating his works. This album took this song from his demo, through his early takes, and to the finished piece. It was a rare glimpse into his songwriting and guitar playing ability. Somewhere in this archive of threads, I mentioned his quiet count-in and skilled guitar work on even the early takes. And I think it was raxo who answered with something to the extent of "he knew exactly what he wanted the piece to sound like." I'm sure raxo, with his special talent for finding archived threads, will post the link.
It's my feeling that George's first great song was this, his first solo composition. It's consistent with his personality and I feel he deserves that honor.
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[...]Somewhere in this archive of threads, I mentioned his quiet count-in and skilled guitar work on even the early takes. And I think it was raxo who answered with something to the extent of "he knew exactly what he wanted the piece to sound like." I'm sure raxo, with his special talent for finding archived threads, will post the link.
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Great memory, Hello Goodbye!!! (thumbsup)
It was 6 months ago!!! ... here:
I really like this song, the first he recorded. I especially enjoy listening to the slight variations in the early takes and his quiet count-ins.
Yeah, he knew how he wanted it to sound ... much better than Little Child, Hold Me Tight and all that stuff ... those were worse fillers than There's A Place or Misery, for example ...
http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-songs/m-1106091427/s-10/#num10
P.S. By the way, I agree with you ... and I do love this piece of work ... I've mentioned several times:
http://dmbeatles.com/forums/b-albums/m-1089605866/s-10/#num10
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That's it! Thanks raxo
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The "There's A Place" conversation has been moved here: http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-songs/m-1184113736/
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I Need You in my opinion. It was written for Pattie, wasn't it? She inspired some of his best songs.
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i presume you mean something? george has always denied that patti was the inspiration for something. but your probably right in stating that she inspired his music.
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Well I've heard he told her it was written for her at the time, and then after they split up, he denied it.
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ah i see
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Every song he wrote is great to me..... my fav. is within you without you though....
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What? :o Long Long Long is in my top 10!!! How underated it is!!! I think it's one of the hidden treasures of their whole catalogue! I like your taste, wingsman ;D ...
Thank you very much ;) It's such an amazing song... I love it specially because is such a quiet song, especially when compared to Helter Shelter which is the previous track in the White Album. The final part is pretty weird, and its curious than in the original label its written 2:38 I think, while the song lasts 3:06. I guess that was because the song actually lasts 2:38 and then what it came is not a real part of the song. The same happens with the 'take me back' part from 'Cry Baby Cry'.
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As to be Long Long Long , it's such an enigmatic song ,simply stunning :)
DaveRam :)
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I think Long Long Long is so underated! I so agree with you DaveRam! ;) :)
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Long Long Long is one of the most underated songs George composed ...
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some people think everything george did was underrated.
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some people think everything george did was underrated.
That does tend to be true amongst certain people. His songwriting abilities improved greatly over the decade, and he has written some of my favourite Beatles songs.
Underrated is a word that is often overused on this forum. I'd say Long, Long, Long has been overlooked over the years. It's trouble is it's been standing in the shadow of the monster all these years.
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If I Needed Someone is probably his first great song. It's one of my favorites on Rubber Soul, I love it. I think it's so cool that George got better and better at songwriting on every album, eventually to the point of Something. It's one of the best love songs ever.
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It's one of the best love songs ever.
And who can argue with that! ;)
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First one? Gotta go with 'Don't Bother Me'. In that early Pop kind of way, he was still telling it as he felt it. And it's a great song. George never compromised.
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George never compromised.
*gives 834 a huge thumb's up* :)
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Thanks HH. He had alot to say, but in a band that had JL/PM, didn't have a whole lot of avenue for his stuff. To his credit, he snuck in his influences--the Rickenbacker/Sitar, which influenced everything from The Byrds to the Rolling Stones (doubtful "Paint It Black" would have happened otherwise), the Byrds being kind of a conduit between the Fabs and Dylan, almost like a silent auction in a way. Probably the most underrated guitar player in history. Jeezus, his solo when they were still covering others was brilliant - 'Till There Was You' - perfect...
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Probably the most underrated guitar player in history. Jeezus, his solo when they were still covering others was brilliant - 'Till There Was You' - perfect...
Yeah, that's very true, all of it. On the Ed Sullivan Show when he played Till There Was You he made it look so easy. Ya gotta love George! ;D
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I can't even play that as well without the flu.
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i always loved georges pre beatles fame songs...he was truly the first professinal among the beatles...in my humble but alway right opinion... ;D
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let's see them...hn0FXAFzFws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn0FXAFzFws) hxPmNxiyQws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxPmNxiyQws)
and one of my faves a picture of you penned by joe brown,a picture of you...
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i believe he did shelia too....i am almost 100 purrcwent sure... ;)
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crying waiting and hoping was fantastic too......and i forgot to remember to forget her....
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i could not find picture of you by the beatles..i think it is on beatles at the bbc...but here is crying waiting and hoping....sQbwSye-cRY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQbwSye-cRY)
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here it is...it's the third song...sound quality is poor but there are better versions out there....
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pete best is doing the drumming i believe...
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0EeFTLD_iN0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EeFTLD_iN0)
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you know what to do.....
K0M8Bqw30LA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0M8Bqw30LA)
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another one....like anyone cares......Ai8Vo5RPaxk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai8Vo5RPaxk)
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Yeah, he sang more in the early days. Probably to save voices in the long Hamburg nights they took shifts at singing lead.
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Thanks pc! I'd not heard "Picture of You" or "Memphis". Their voices sound so young. Dana ; )
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Thanks pc! I'd not heard "Picture of You" or "Memphis". Their voices sound so young. Dana ; )
it is posts like these that i adore and keep me from ever leaving here....thank you dana...peace and love to you..
marshall
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he not only helped save their voices but gave john and paul time to harmonize together...it solidified their efforts to do such...i always loved chains by him too...aG9pvAUBKlU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG9pvAUBKlU)
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it is posts like these that i adore and keep me from ever leaving here....thank you dana...peace and love to you..
marshall
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:'( caring is an even trade for sharing any day.... ;) life is about all of it!!!