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Title: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on May 08, 2010, 11:58:05 PM
I thought the Beatles recorded an extra verse called verse 4 on I'll Cry Instead since this song made its first appearance on the USA Hard Day's Night album.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on May 25, 2010, 08:02:54 PM
Can you guys tell me what the Beatles recorded on I'll Cry Instead?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on May 25, 2010, 08:39:50 PM
I'm not sure what you mean.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: The_Taxman on May 25, 2010, 10:50:20 PM
Alright, so as far as I know they recorded Paul McCartney on bass, George Harrison on lead guitar, Richard Starkey a.k.a. Ringo Starr on drums/percussion, and John Lennon on rhythm guitar as well as vocals pertaining to the following lyrics:

I've got every reason on earth to be mad, 'cause I've just
Lost the only girl I had. If I could get my way, I'd get
Myself locked up today, but I can't so I cry instead.
I've got a chip on my shoulder that's bigger than my feet, I
Can't talk to people that I meet. If I could see you now,
I'd try to make you sad somehow, but I can't so I cry instead.
Don't want to cry when there's people there, I get shy when
They start to stare, I'm gonna hide myself away, ay hay;
But I'll come back again someday.
And when I do you'd better hide all the girls, I'm gonna
Break their hearts all 'round the world. Yes, I'm gonna
Break them in two, and show you what your loving man can
Do, until then I'll cry instead.
Don't want to cry when there's people there, I get shy when
They start to stare, I'm gonna hide myself away, ay hay;
But I'll come back again someday.
And when I do you'd better hide all the girls, 'cause I'm gonna
Break their hearts all 'round the world. Yes, I'm gonna
Break them in two, and show you what your loving man can
Do, until then I'll cry instead.

It was put on their 1964 album A Hard Day's Night. ::)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: tkitna on May 26, 2010, 12:47:02 AM
I still dont know what you want here. Are you asking if anybody else contributed or played other instruments on the song? If so, the answer is no.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on May 26, 2010, 01:58:18 AM
I think so. Look what I found on Mark Lewishon's Beatles Recording Sessions.

Monday 1 June 1964. Studio Two. 2:30-5:30 pm. Recording: "Matchbox"(takes 1-5); I´ll Cry Instead (Section A) (takes 1-6); I´ll cry Instead (Section B) (takes 7-8); Slow Down (takes 1-6). Studio Two: 7:00-10:00 pm. Recording: I´ll Be Back (takes 1-16). Producer: George Martin, Engineer: Norman Smith, 2nd Engineer: Ken Scott.

(....) Next Recording was "I´ll Cry Instead", for the LP A Hard Day´s Night. This was taped in two parts -Section A and Section B- for editing together at a later date. Six takes of A and two of B saw the song to satisfactory completion. The Beatles then set about the taping of "Slow Down", the Larry Williams rocker from 1958. (...)

Thursday 4 June 1964. Studio Two: 2:30-7:00 pm (...) Recording: ... I´ll cry Instead Section A from take 6, I´ll Cry Instead Section B
from take 8...


Monday 22 June 1964. Studio Two (control room only) 2:30 - 5:30 pm. Stereo mixing: Can´t Buy Me Love (from take 4), .... I´cry Instead Section A from take 6; I´ll Cry Instead Section B from take 8. Editing I´ll Cry Instead (of stereo remixes of takes 6 and 8)

Friday 10 July 1964: LP release: A Hard Day´s Night. Parlophone PMC 1230 (mono) PCS 3058 (stereo)

What do you think?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: tkitna on May 26, 2010, 03:57:21 AM
I think your making to much of it. Section A (or the first 6 takes) was probably the rhythm section or something while Section B (the last takes) were probably the vocals and chorus. It could mean anything. Maybe they broke for lunch in the middle of the recording or something. No guest musicians were recorded on the song.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Ahme on May 26, 2010, 09:17:24 AM
There's different versions of the song. I think on the American album there's a extra verse.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: tkitna on May 26, 2010, 06:26:24 PM
I think I finally get it. I think Daniels looking for what the specific sections were at the time (A and B) and I have no idea. Good luck with the search though.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on May 26, 2010, 11:57:28 PM
I guess an extra verse is from one of the takes the Beatles recorded since this song was first released on A Hard Day's Night USA album. Right, guys?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on May 28, 2010, 01:44:23 PM
I guess an extra verse is from one of the takes the Beatles recorded since this song was first released on A Hard Day's Night USA album. Right, Ahme?

There's different versions of the song. I think on the American album there's a extra verse.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on June 07, 2010, 05:43:28 PM
Can you guys tell me what the Beatles recorded on I'll Cry Instead?

I answered this same question from the same poster on a different forum.
Here goes again ....

It was recorded in two sections.
The first version was a run-through of a complete version of the song using the structure ...
verse, verse, bridge, verse, end.

They got a useable take of this version (take 6) but decided it was too short, so recorded another section (bridge + verse) later the same day (1 June 1964) with the intention of editing the two parts together to create a longer finished song.

The UK version of the song (1min 49secs) just inserts the 2nd part towards the end of the first.
But for some reason another, even longer (2min 9 secs) mix was made, where the first verse from one of the earlier takes of the first section (takes 1-5) was repeated before the inserted section. This was the one that ended up on the United Artists soundtrack LP, the Capitol single, and the mono Something New LP. I think it was also used on the Canadian 45.

The shorter one was used in the UK (both mono and stereo) and on the stereo Something New LP in the States.

I'm not sure if the 2:09 version appeared anywhere other than US/Canada.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on June 08, 2010, 07:47:02 AM
I answered this same question from the same poster on a different forum.

Is this maybe the only forum where people expect real answers? ha2ha  Thanks for answering anyway.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on June 08, 2010, 08:38:52 AM
Is this maybe the only forum where people expect real answers? ha2ha  Thanks for answering anyway.


 :)


In one of my posts to this same question on a different board, I posed a couple of questions myself but never got an answer, so maybe you're right.
Let's see if I get a response here    ;)


Does the longer version appear anywhere outside the US/Canada? Is it on the Mexican LP The Beatles Vol 4, for example?

Why wasn't the long version included on the UK Rarities album, since it was indeed a rarity (it has still never been officially released in the UK).

Did Capitol not object to United Artists using I'll Cry Instead on the Hard Days Night soundtrack album even though the song wasn't part of the film soundtrack? I know it was originally meant to be in the film and was dropped in favour of CBML, but surely Capitol would have kicked up a fuss about United Artists getting a song they weren't entitled to?!?

I know the US United Artists Hard Days Night soundtrack LP mis-spelled the song's name, calling it I Cry Instead. And Tell Me Why appears on some labels as Tell Me Who. Could United Artists not afford to employ a decent proof reader?!?  ;)



Incidentally, there's more info about I'll Cry Instead here ....
http://www.beatlesebooks.com/ill-cry-instead (http://www.beatlesebooks.com/ill-cry-instead)


Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on June 08, 2010, 09:13:56 AM
And I didn't ask the most obvious question ......

WHY was the longer mono mix used by Capitol in the US?
Was it just that someone at Abbey Road sent them the wrong version of the tape?

If that's the case then I suppose it explains why that longer US mono version didn't end up on the UK Rarities LP - they didn't include it because it is a mistake rather than a true "rarity".
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on June 08, 2010, 09:32:44 AM
And I didn't ask the most obvious question ......

WHY was the longer mono mix used by Capitol in the US?
Was it just that someone at Abbey Road sent them the wrong version of the tape?

If that's the case then I suppose it explains why that longer US mono version didn't end up on the UK Rarities LP - they didn't include it because it is a mistake rather than a true "rarity".

A theory not backed up by any proof. But the albums in the US were already a few songs shorter than in the UK/Europe. Maybe it didn't matter to use the shorter version of the song in the UK, but to give the Americans any value for money, they might have got 20 seconds extra.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Kevin on June 08, 2010, 09:51:29 AM
It raises an interesting point. I understand how Capitol could make their dummy stereo mixes and add reverb etc to EMI masters. But how did they get hold of the various takes to to do make these extended mixes. Did EMI send them a boxful to choose from? Was it part of the deal that Capitol got hold of everything?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on June 08, 2010, 10:58:06 AM
It raises an interesting point. I understand how Capitol could make their dummy stereo mixes and add reverb etc to EMI masters. But how did they get hold of the various takes to to do make these extended mixes. Did EMI send them a boxful to choose from? Was it part of the deal that Capitol got hold of everything?


Yeah - it's not Just I'll Cry Instead where there's differences. There's the extra intro bit on the US version of I'm Looking Through You and the extra trumpet ending that appeared on the US promo single of Penny Lane (which was later amended for the commercial release).
I don't think Capitol did their own mixes from 4-track master tapes, did they? So I assume they were sent mixed masters from Abbey Road which contained these "errors" and they were perhaps instructed what to do to get the masters into shape for the final album pressing?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Kevin on June 08, 2010, 02:57:43 PM
^ But why were (at least) two takes of ICI sent to America? It seems a strange thing to do.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on June 08, 2010, 03:34:05 PM
^ But why were (at least) two takes of ICI sent to America? It seems a strange thing to do.

I assume that Capitol would have been sent two master tapes of every song by EMI/Parlophone in the UK - stereo and mono versions.
In the case of I'll Cry Instead I'm thinking that they were sent the "wrong" copy of the mono mix (assuming, that is, that they made that longer (2:09) version as an experiment but decided against using it - which is why it doesn't appear anywhere on a UK release, stereo or mono.)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Kevin on June 08, 2010, 03:42:12 PM
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Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on June 09, 2010, 10:09:25 AM
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Good point.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on June 09, 2010, 01:50:52 PM
I don't know if anyone will know the answer to this or not, but I'll ask anyway....

When Abbey Road/EMI sent the mixed masters to Capitol (and all the other record companies that released Beatles stuff around the world, for that matter) would the songs not have been in a totally finished state, with things like count-ins removed from the start and fade outs all correctly in place, etc?

I would have thought so. But if that's the case, how come you get anomalies like the extra trumpet bit appearing on the Penny Lane US promo, or the extra intro on the US version of I'm Looking Through You, or the high hats on the intro of a German release of All My Loving, or the extended outro on one release of And I Love Her? How did these mixes make it out of Abbey Road's doors?

Were these just mistakes where the wrong version of a mix got sent overseas?

Or would it have been the case that EMI sent out its copies of All My Loving (for example) complete with high hat intro, but with instructions to remove the high hats at the start before pressing records?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Kevin on June 09, 2010, 01:58:53 PM
Found this:
 "On January 1, 1956 Capitol and EMI entered into the first of a series of what they called Matrix Exchange
Agreements ("MEA"), subsequently renewed and amended. Pursuant to the MEA EMI undertook to supply masters to Capitol and Capitol to EMI in consideration for a license fee equal to a percentage of the retail sales price in the country of manufacture.....Capitol exercised its option to acquire new Beatles masters from EMI under the MEA." (sixties-l.blogspot.com)

So it seems EMI were legally obliged to provide Capitol with ALL Beatle masters.
I doubt that EMI were in a position to give instructions to Capitol, and that they (Capitol) could use any of the masters in any way they chose.
This would also preclude what I would think is the highly unlikely scenario of incorrect mixes being put in the envelope.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Kevin on June 09, 2010, 02:18:32 PM
From beatlescollecting.com seems to confirm that Capitol was sent all the masters, including all the different mixes, from which they were then free to choose. I suspect the longer ICI was made in the UK, not spliced together by the US:

"All of the songs on the mono version of the album are true mono mixes; however, four of the songs, "I'll Cry Instead," "And I Love Her," "Any Time At All" and "When I Get Home," have mixes different than those appearing on the mono Parlophone A Hard Day's Night LP. These unique U.S. mixes were prepared by George Martin. "I'll Cry Instead" is an edit of two takes. The mono version appearing on the Capitol album has an extra verse not present on the stereo mix or the U.K. mono mix. The mono album was mastered by Billy Smith on June 29, 1964."

"Ten of the twelve songs on [Rubber Soul] are from the British album of the same title. Except as noted below, Capitol used the same stereo mixes as those on the British album. Capitol used the November 11, 1965 mix of "The Word" rather than the later November 15 mix found on the British LP. Also of note is the false start guitar intro to "I'm Looking Through You" that is present only (at least until 2006) on the stereo Capitol album."
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Kevin on June 09, 2010, 03:33:23 PM
It does seem a bit haphazard. When Capitol quickly withdrew the "funny" Penny Lane I presume someone noticed they'd used the "wrong" mix. (in that the UK mix is regarded as "right." But this doesn't seem to have bothered them before. They seemed quite happy choosing one that suited them best.) Though I've not heard it, and maybe it is obviously "wrong."
But maybe by Penny Lane they were more conscious of using the UK mixes, and were now regarding them as "correct."
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on June 09, 2010, 06:32:26 PM
Interesting. I know that And I Love Her has a long ending.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on June 09, 2010, 11:38:33 PM
From beatlescollecting.com seems to confirm that Capitol was sent all the masters, including all the different mixes, from which they were then free to choose. I suspect the longer ICI was made in the UK, not spliced together by the US:

"All of the songs on the mono version of the album are true mono mixes; however, four of the songs, "I'll Cry Instead," "And I Love Her," "Any Time At All" and "When I Get Home," have mixes different than those appearing on the mono Parlophone A Hard Day's Night LP. These unique U.S. mixes were prepared by George Martin. "I'll Cry Instead" is an edit of two takes. The mono version appearing on the Capitol album has an extra verse not present on the stereo mix or the U.K. mono mix. The mono album was mastered by Billy Smith on June 29, 1964."

"Ten of the twelve songs on [Rubber Soul] are from the British album of the same title. Except as noted below, Capitol used the same stereo mixes as those on the British album. Capitol used the November 11, 1965 mix of "The Word" rather than the later November 15 mix found on the British LP. Also of note is the false start guitar intro to "I'm Looking Through You" that is present only (at least until 2006) on the stereo Capitol album."

Thanks for posting that info from beatlescollecting.com, Kevin.
I've been to that site a few times and never noticed the stuff about the Capitol albums.

It's all very intriguing - how/why different mixes ended up on US albums etc.
I've always thought that the UK releases were "as the Beatles intended" but it looks like that only holds true for the actual album running orders - in the earlier years at least. They were obviously quite happy for George Martin to send alternate mixes of their songs to be used on records in the US. Although, I don't suppose the band themselves knew much about it.

I'm still not sure why it occurred though. Why, for example, would EMI use one mix of "The Word" in the UK and send a different one to Capitol in the States?
Or indeed (to keep this vaguely on-topic) why they sent the longer version of I'll Cry Instead over the Pond.
I wonder if it has something to do with that song being dropped from the AHDN film - maybe they extended I'll Cry Instead a bit to fit in with the length of the sequence that was eventually used with CBML???
CBML is 2:09 - similar in length to the extended I'll Cry Instead.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Kevin on June 14, 2010, 03:36:35 PM
I'm still not sure why it occurred though. Why, for example, would EMI use one mix of "The Word" in the UK and send a different one to Capitol in the States?
Or indeed (to keep this vaguely on-topic) why they sent the longer version of I'll Cry Instead over the Pond.

I guess because the contract between EMI and Capitol was for each to have access to the others masters.
EMI had to send all masters over and simply couldn't dictate which version Capitol used.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 16, 2010, 02:08:01 AM
I guess the long and extended version of I'll Cry Instead might be the early mix. One other thing, how does the extra verse which is on a US album release go exactly?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Gary910 on June 23, 2010, 03:40:16 PM
I guess the long and extended version of I'll Cry Instead might be the early mix. One other thing, how does the extra verse which is on a US album release go exactly?

Just like the first verse, as it is an edit.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 29, 2010, 08:10:01 PM
You're right, Gary. In fact, I'll show you the lyrics from the original USA version.

I've got every reason on earth to be mad
'Cause I've just lost the only girl I had
And if I could get my way
I'd get myself locked up today
But I can't so I cry instead

I've got a chip on my shoulder that's bigger than my feet
I can't talk to people that I meet
And if I could see you now
I'd try to make you sad somehow
But I can't so I cry instead

Don't want to cry when there's people there
I get shy when they start to stare
I'm gonna hide myself away, ay hay
But I'll come back again someday

And when I do you'd better hide all the girls
I'm gonna break their hearts all 'round the world
Yes, I'm gonna break them in two
And show you what your loving man can do
Until then I'll cry instead

I've got every reason on earth to be mad
'Cause I've just lost the only girl I had
And if I could get my way
I'd get myself locked up today
But I can't so I cry instead

Don't want to cry when there's people there
I get shy when they start to stare
I'm gonna hide myself away, ay hay
But I'll come back again someday

And when I do you'd better hide all the girls
'Cause I'm gonna break their hearts all 'round the world
Yes, I'm gonna break them in two
And show you what your loving man can do
Until then I'll cry instead

What do you think of these lyrics?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on July 15, 2010, 06:30:42 PM
Hey, everybody. I want to show you something what the Beatles recorded according to the books and websites.

These are the two sections of I'll Cry Instead that were edited together around June 4 1964.
Section A - Verse 1, Verse 2, Bridge, Verse 3
Section B - Verse 4, Bridge, Verse 5

What do you think?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: peterbell1 on July 16, 2010, 03:37:07 PM
Hey, everybody. I want to show you something what the Beatles recorded according to the books and websites.

These are the two sections of I'll Cry Instead that were edited together around June 4 1964.
Section A - Verse 1, Verse 2, Bridge, Verse 3
Section B - Verse 4, Bridge, Verse 5

What do you think?

I think you're not on this planet!!
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: webbyworks on September 02, 2010, 01:30:17 PM
Yeah i dont think they are worst i think you didnt like something in that otherwise they are fantastic songs any song how good it may be we can hear it once or twice and then we feel like worst. I have heard that song many times but i didnt think it is worst.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on November 12, 2010, 06:57:31 PM
Since I'll Cry Instead was only recorded in two sections, how come it was edited together to make it longer?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on November 12, 2010, 10:32:18 PM
Didn't we recently discuss this?

http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=10732.0 (http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/index.php?topic=10732.0)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on November 13, 2010, 11:24:17 PM
I think so. By the way, all versions of I'll Cry Instead contain an edit at 1:09 which is after "I'll Cry Instead" and before "Instead". Right, HelloGoodbye?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on November 14, 2010, 05:13:01 PM
Do you know what I wish? I wish the unedited version of I'll Cry Instead which is 2:04 was released in the United Kingdom.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on November 15, 2010, 08:59:47 AM
Do you know what I wish? I wish the unedited version of I'll Cry Instead which is 2:04 was released in the United Kingdom.

Why? It's widely available on the internet and/or US albums.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on November 18, 2010, 01:40:13 AM
Oh, you're right. I guess that version was made on June 4 1964 in the United Kingdom, so it was used in the film. One other thing, do you think that same version was heard on the prologue of A Hard Day's Night movie in 1982?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on December 21, 2010, 09:57:45 PM
Hey, everybody. Did you know that in 1981, the I'll Cry Instead clip showing photos of A Hard Day's Night was shown in movie theaters in the United States and the United Kingdom like this one?

I'll Cry Instead - Beatles (Clip) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwgT1qpY_7I#)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: nyfan(41) on December 21, 2010, 10:16:26 PM
did you know you've made 37 posts on this forum and 28 of them have been about i'll cry instead ?  ha2ha

you seem to like that song alot !

in fact.... the 9 posts you made that were not about i'll cry instead, i could tell you were THINKING about i'll cry instead  ;D
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: nimrod on December 23, 2010, 03:08:36 AM
did you know you've made 37 posts on this forum and 28 of them have been about i'll cry instead ?  ha2ha

you seem to like that song alot !

in fact.... the 9 posts you made that were not about i'll cry instead, i could tell you were THINKING about i'll cry instead  ;D

 ha2ha
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on December 23, 2010, 08:14:35 AM
It's the long version!  ;D
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on December 23, 2010, 06:12:34 PM
2:09
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on April 03, 2011, 07:11:15 PM
I just remembered something! The unedited version of I'll Cry Instead is 1:46 but the edited version is 2:06 because it was artificially longer by using one of the verses to repeat. It's called the first verse. That was taken from an early recording not Take 6. Right, guys?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Gary910 on April 03, 2011, 08:42:52 PM
I just remembered something!

You didn't just remember this....

did you know you've made 37 posts on this forum and 28 of them have been about i'll cry instead ?  ha2ha

you seem to like that song alot !

in fact.... the 9 posts you made that were not about i'll cry instead, i could tell you were THINKING about i'll cry instead  ;D

I'll Cry if you make any more posts about this song. Right, Daniel?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 04, 2011, 03:48:56 AM
This one's 2:35...

The Beatles - I'll Cry Instead (A While Longer) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4COhtzeTM5M#ws)


 ;D

Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Johnny Moondog on April 05, 2011, 08:10:58 PM
You didn't just remember this....

I'll Cry if you make any more posts about this song. Right, Daniel?

I'm getting déjà vu here. Right, Gary?  ha2ha
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Bobber on April 06, 2011, 06:58:10 AM
I'm getting déjà vu here. Right, Gary?  ha2ha

It's all over the internet. But I must admit I didn't know about the wonderful 'Herb Speech' at the end of Dr Robert.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 08, 2011, 04:30:21 AM
And he enhanced the fade out so we could hear it.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Gary910 on April 08, 2011, 10:08:22 PM
I know of a certain person that was banned another forum for making the same post over and over. It was usually about 'I'll Cry Instead'.

 ;)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on April 09, 2011, 02:18:22 AM
I'll Cry Instead was the first song recorded by Joe Cocker...

Joe Cocker ::::: I'll Cry Instead. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxPla6zxA8k#)

September, 1964


 ;D

Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 08, 2011, 08:30:51 PM
Check this out.

This is the mono version included on the American album "A Hard Day’s Night" (United Artists, UAS 6366, released on 26 June 1964). The Monday 1st. of June of 1964, the group recorded the song in two sections for editing together at a later date. Three days later, a mono mix was made, including a repeat of the first verse, just before the final verse. On later mixings, both mono and stereo, this part were omitted.

I found this on YouTube. I wish the longer version of I'll Cry Instead which is 2:06 was released in the United Kingdom. And I wish that same version was mixed for true stereo.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 08, 2011, 10:34:15 PM
Daniel, I'll Cry Instead appeared on two albums here in the United States; Something New and A Hard Day's Night.

Here's the mono long version on Something New...


(http://www.beatlesebooks.com/files/1619622/uploaded/something%20new%202.jpg)

I'LL CRY INSTEAD (LongVersion) / The Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWg5E_SXbOo#noexternalembed)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 09, 2011, 02:54:18 AM
Oh, I get it. I think the US longer version has three edits. I'll show them to you.

1:09 - Edit on the word "Instead". That's from one take where ends with "I got..."
1:13 - Edit starts off with "Every reason on earth to be mad" since the words "I got" are cut off. That's from another take.
1:30 - Edit starts after the word "Instead".

So what do you think?

Daniel, I'll Cry Instead appeared on two albums here in the United States; Something New and A Hard Day's Night.

Here's the mono long version on Something New...


([url]http://www.beatlesebooks.com/files/1619622/uploaded/something%20new%202.jpg[/url])

I'LL CRY INSTEAD (LongVersion) / The Beatles ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWg5E_SXbOo#noexternalembed[/url])
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: In My Life on June 09, 2011, 03:18:51 AM
I'll Cry Instead was the first song recorded by Joe Cocker...


He always did like the The Beatles!
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 09, 2011, 03:35:25 AM
Oh, I get it. I think the US longer version has three edits. I'll show them to you.

1:09 - Edit on the word "Instead". That's from one take where ends with "I got..."
1:13 - Edit starts off with "Every reason on earth to be mad" since the words "I got" are cut off. That's from another take.
1:30 - Edit starts after the word "Instead".

So what do you think?


Comparing the US and UK mono versions, those appear to be the edits which were pretty well executed, Daniel.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 09, 2011, 04:18:27 AM
He always did like the The Beatles!


Joe Cocker - A Little Help From My Friends - Woodstock 1969 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQYDvQ1HH-E#)


We were horseback riding in Mongaup Valley.  I heard it was far out!
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: In My Life on June 09, 2011, 04:28:04 AM
Quote from: Hello Goodbye
We were horseback riding in Mongaup Valley.  I heard it was far out!

So you found another way to have fun.  ;)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 09, 2011, 08:16:36 PM
Really?

Comparing the US and UK mono versions, those appear to be the edits which were pretty well executed, Daniel.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 10, 2011, 12:51:17 AM
Really?


Yes, Daniel.  I've heard much more obvious edits in some of their other songs.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 12, 2011, 12:03:23 AM
Besides, I have something for you to download.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WSY10JWE (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WSY10JWE)

It's the longer stereo version of I'll Cry Instead. I hope you'll love it.

Yes, Daniel.  I've heard much more obvious edits in some of their other songs.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 12, 2011, 12:57:33 AM
Besides, I have something for you to download.

[url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WA36KAGV[/url] ([url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WA36KAGV[/url])

It's the longer stereo version of I'll Cry Instead. I hope you'll love it.



Thank you, Daniel.  It's great!  I appreciate your making this available for me to download.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 14, 2011, 10:14:18 PM
You're welcome. And there's something else I have for you to download.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=98AYKBRO (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=98AYKBRO)

It's the chase scene from the film: A Hard Day's Night. I added "I'll Cry Instead" since it was originally added to that film. I hope you love this.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on June 16, 2011, 09:43:50 PM
You're welcome. And there's something else I have for you to download.

[url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=98AYKBRO[/url] ([url]http://www.megaupload.com/?d=98AYKBRO[/url])

It's the chase scene from the film: A Hard Day's Night. I added "I'll Cry Instead" since it was originally added to that film. I hope you love this.


Yes, I'll Cry Instead fits nicely into the field scene.  Thank you for posting that Daniel.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on August 23, 2011, 01:23:31 AM
You're welcome. And one more thing.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=09AXOTVZ (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=09AXOTVZ)

It's the film version of I'll Cry Instead. Remember when that song was added to the film since it matched the scene of the Beatles were being chased from the police station? Well, in the scene, John Lennon lip-synched a line "I'm gonna break 'em in two".

Yes, I'll Cry Instead fits nicely into the field scene.  Thank you for posting that Daniel.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 23, 2011, 02:23:05 AM
Remember when that song was added to the film since it matched the scene of the Beatles were being chased from the police station? Well, in the scene, John Lennon lip-synched a line "I'm gonna break 'em in two".


I never noticed that, Daniel.  Is it in this clip?

A Hard Day's Night - Part 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsNCoQH-uvg#)
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on August 25, 2011, 01:49:52 AM
No, it's on that clip on YouTube called Part 4. Since I sent you the film version of I'll Cry Instead, can you show that clip to me?

I never noticed that, Daniel.  Is it in this clip?

A Hard Day's Night - Part 7 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsNCoQH-uvg#[/url])
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 25, 2011, 03:42:52 AM
No, it's on that clip on YouTube called Part 4. Since I sent you the film version of I'll Cry Instead, can you show that clip to me?



Daniel, you're referring to the field scene in this clip #4...

A Hard Day's Night - Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny6-b4MDUX4#)

I tried to find where John lip-synched the line "I'm gonna break 'em in two" in that clip but I couldn't find it.  Maybe I was distracted by the showgirls.  ;)

Can you show me where John did that?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 25, 2011, 04:14:48 AM
Paul being distracted by a showgirl...


(http://image.aladin.co.kr/product/282/83/letslook/M662435867_sc2.jpg)



 ;)

Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on August 25, 2011, 02:43:07 PM
Right there. That's where John, Paul and George daydream.

Daniel, you're referring to the field scene in this clip #4...

A Hard Day's Night - Part 4 ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny6-b4MDUX4#[/url])

I tried to find where John lip-synched the line "I'm gonna break 'em in two" in that clip but I couldn't find it.  Maybe I was distracted by the showgirls.  ;)

Can you show me where John did that?
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Hello Goodbye on August 25, 2011, 04:59:49 PM
Right there. That's where John, Paul and George daydream.


Yes, I see that.  8:03 - 8:06

Thank you, Daniel.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on March 26, 2012, 12:43:29 AM
Did you know that in all versions of I'll Cry Instead, there is an edit at 1:10 spotted after "I'll Cry" and "Instead"? Well, in original mixings after the edit another edit is spotted after "I got" and before "Every reason on earth to be mad".

Yes, I see that.  8:03 - 8:06

Thank you, Daniel.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: Gary910 on March 26, 2012, 07:54:39 PM
Paul being distracted by a showgirl...


([url]http://image.aladin.co.kr/product/282/83/letslook/M662435867_sc2.jpg[/url])



 ;)


I am distracted by her too. I like the space she takes up.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: TomMo on June 04, 2012, 06:55:54 PM
Please remember, there was never a Capitol Records release of A Hard Day's Night soundtrack. United Artists had the rights, at least in the U.S. So whatever EMI/Parlophone sent to UA, must have been part of a contractual agreement. Perhaps the Beatles had to agree to a minimum or maximum song length for the soundtrack. Originally, UA had the exclusive rights to all original songs submitted for the film, including "I'll Cry Instead". In an unusual spirit of generosity, Capitol allowed UA to include "Can't Buy Me Love" in the soundtrack, even though Capitol had already released it as a single. When ICI was not included in the film, the rights reverted back to Capitol.

Now for the big question: Did Capitol receive the master tapes from EMI or UA? That might explain a lot.
Title: Re: I'll Cry Instead
Post by: danielcelano on June 30, 2012, 03:29:22 AM
Did you know that "I'll Cry Instead" is a deleted song from the film: "A Hard Day's Night?"

Please remember, there was never a Capitol Records release of A Hard Day's Night soundtrack. United Artists had the rights, at least in the U.S. So whatever EMI/Parlophone sent to UA, must have been part of a contractual agreement. Perhaps the Beatles had to agree to a minimum or maximum song length for the soundtrack. Originally, UA had the exclusive rights to all original songs submitted for the film, including "I'll Cry Instead". In an unusual spirit of generosity, Capitol allowed UA to include "Can't Buy Me Love" in the soundtrack, even though Capitol had already released it as a single. When ICI was not included in the film, the rights reverted back to Capitol.

Now for the big question: Did Capitol receive the master tapes from EMI or UA? That might explain a lot.