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 41 
 on: March 25, 2017, 02:20:14 AM 
Started by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar - Last post by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar
I don't feel the need to convince you of anything.  In my profession we have taken an oath to use our skills and treat patients properly regardless of their ability to pay.  That's why we go on cleft palate missions; yes, even to your part of the world.  Medical centers in this country are very careful when it comes to accepting donations and avoid contributors of dubious reputation.

You prefer to have the last word, so go ahead and take the opportunity.  As I said, I prefer to have discussions on specifics and not on intangibles.  I was specifically talking about the healing profession and not class struggle.

I don't feel the need to have the last word, HG. This is not about winning or losing a discussion, I don't care about that. I just wanted to talk about this and see if we can find a common point; but that has been very difficult because you continuously missed the point; or perhaps I wasn't able to be clear with my words. I feel you're continuously taking a defensive position and that's a shame, because I don't mean to be offensive. I may sound nasty when I use some words, but that's because I'm against a highly unfair situation, which make me think that humanity as a whole is failing. I'm not against you nor your profession, so I don't know what's perturbing you about my words.

With regard to donations, I just think you gave a fake example of philanthropy. Of course it is good and positive a donation of hundreds of millions of dollars to improve healthcare facilities, I'm not discussing that. My point was not foccussed on the result of that donation but on the origin of that donation. I'm not talking about the reputation of contributors, because I don't care about their real intentions; they may do that to satisfy their ego, clean their conscience, or just make a good action with no other interest. The specific and not intangible fact is that one person is able to decide what to do with hundreds of millions of dollars. That's too much power in just one person's hands; and if that power could be used for good causes, it could also be used for evil purposes. Besides, if one person thinks that he deserves to own such an enormous fortune, then that person must believe that he's a superior human being, regardless what he'll do with that money.

What I'm trying to say is that the world does not need the eventual generosity of people who live to accumulate more and more wealth. The world needs a fairer distribution of wealth, according to each one's capability and effort. The world needs more equality in terms of opportunities, so that the destiny of one person will not depend on his/her origin but on his/her own effort. But that objective will be farer away if we allow or ignore that disproportionate accumulation of wealth.

I thank you for trying to improve my view of humanity. But I actually believe that most people have good intentions and try to do good actions according to their possibilities. My view of humanity is bad for another reason: I think humanity is being fooled by few powerful people whose objective is dominate the world.

 42 
 on: March 25, 2017, 01:02:54 AM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by Hello Goodbye
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 43 
 on: March 25, 2017, 01:00:06 AM 
Started by In My Life - Last post by In My Life
Another sad loss.


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 44 
 on: March 24, 2017, 10:40:51 PM 
Started by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar - Last post by Hello Goodbye
HG, if you want to convince me, please don't tell me about the supposed good actions of those multi-millionaires.

I don't feel the need to convince you of anything.  In my profession we have taken an oath to use our skills and treat patients properly regardless of their ability to pay.  That's why we go on cleft palate missions; yes, even to your part of the world.  Medical centers in this country are very careful when it comes to accepting donations and avoid contributors of dubious reputation.

You prefer to have the last word, so go ahead and take the opportunity.  As I said, I prefer to have discussions on specifics and not on intangibles.  I was specifically talking about the healing profession and not class struggle.

 45 
 on: March 24, 2017, 07:00:42 PM 
Started by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar - Last post by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar
My grandfather fought in the First World War : 38 million dead.

My father fought in the Second World War : 72 million dead.

My generation was destined to fight in the Third World War which would probably have been a nuclear holocaust.

We stated clearly we wanted peace not war. You call that a failure?

You have a point there. And I don't pretend to deny the influence of your generation. But I think noone wanted a nuclear war, because that would have been useless. Wars exist to keep working the enrichment machine of powerful people. Now isolated wars still exist, but powerful people have other weapons to control the world. They promote economic systems that go against working class people, reducing salaries and benefits, especially in third world countries. And they oppose to governments which don't let them exploit natural resources. Peace will still be a dream if hunger is still a reality.

 46 
 on: March 24, 2017, 05:15:09 PM 
Started by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar - Last post by zipp
Hey, I even feel closer to YOUR generation than MY generation. But that won't stop me to mark some mistakes from that generation. But my idea is no putting your generation down, since noone is perfect. My idea is trying to understand what went wrong, why those great convictions were not able to change the world. The previous older generation is already gone, but the world is still the same or even worse.

My grandfather fought in the First World War : 38 million dead.

My father fought in the Second World War : 72 million dead.

My generation was destined to fight in the Third World War which would probably have been a nuclear holocaust.

We stated clearly we wanted peace not war. You call that a failure?

 47 
 on: March 24, 2017, 05:10:52 AM 
Started by BlueMeanie - Last post by In My Life
^^^
That's amazing, Dmitry! My dad flew a B-24 Liberator during World War II. From what I understand there are also two of those left that can be flown.

 48 
 on: March 24, 2017, 02:12:23 AM 
Started by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar - Last post by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar
HG, if you want to convince me, please don't tell me about the supposed good actions of those multi-millionaires. Tell me how they gained those hundreds of millions of dollars; show me that they didn't make their fortune by exploiting working class people; try to make me understand that the global system that allowed them to become disproportionally rich is not a cause of poverty and hunger in the world.

The end does not justify the means. Improving healthcare facilities should not be paid with the hunger of thousands people.

 49 
 on: March 24, 2017, 12:59:35 AM 
Started by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar - Last post by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar
I didn't say that philanthropists are parasites. I said that those people who gain hundreds of millions of dollars from the effort of exploited working class people are parasites. And I don't think that such people can be called as philanthropists, no matter how much money they give, because it's easy for them to give what wasn't the result of their own effort. Indeed, they are giving what they don't need. Sure, that money will be helpful for the cause, but the damage they're doing to the world is much bigger.

Anyway, I don't expect you to agree with me. We can have different opinions and points of view about how the world is turning.

 50 
 on: March 23, 2017, 11:36:35 PM 
Started by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar - Last post by Hello Goodbye
Then I guess you didn't understand anything what I've said, unless you're one of those multi-millionaires who are devouring the world.

Please look back to what I said that precipitated your remarks.  I said that "I'm also aware of the generous wealthy who contribute hundreds of millions of dollars each to medical centers.  Perhaps you should study those figures.  Your view of humanity might improve."  I was very specific about a particular form of philanthropy.


I thought there was no need to say that I think it is good that people contribute in honorable causes, regardless how much money they own.

My remark, stated above, applies here too.  But you immediately classified them as "parasites."  You dishonored many philanthropists who have improved healthcare facilities in this and in other counties.

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