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 on: Yesterday at 06:01:04 PM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by Joost
Good friends of a family we know via the school from our children were on that plane. Suddenly victims get a name and a face.

193 victims is quite a lot for a country of 16 million people. Seems like almost everyone in The Netherlands had someone at least somewhat close to their social circle in that plane. An acquaintance of an acquaintance, someone who lived just a few miles away, someone who played for a soccer team that you played against, someone who was a frequent visitor of the same music festival you go to every year...

I've read a lot of acticles and blogs that people wrote about people who were on that plane. And it's a good reminder of the fact that a crowd of people is never just another bunch of anonymous faces. Each crowd of people is a collection of unique and very valuable individuals. People who are loved by many, who have accomplished amazing things, who have lots of interesting stories to tell, who inspire others, who have valuable talents... Of course that's something we already knew, but tragedies like these just make you realize it again.

It should at least make us realize that simply bombing the sh*t out of a place just because it gives you troubles should never even be considered a solution...

 on: Yesterday at 04:39:46 PM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by In My Life
If just one of the researchers was Dutch, than it's a fact that there weren't 100 AIDS researchers on board. 193 of all 283 passengers were Dutch.

Okay, I see your point now. Sometimes numbers don't sink in right with me.

 on: Yesterday at 04:26:29 PM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by Bobber
You obvouisly dont understand it.

 on: Yesterday at 03:17:52 PM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by Badgirl66
one word atom bomb over ukraine that`s it.


 on: Yesterday at 01:23:02 PM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by Bobber
Good friends of a family we know via the school from our children were on that plane. Suddenly victims get a name and a face. Frans Timmermans, minister of Foreign Affairs put it diplomatically in an emotional speech. I can assure you Mr Putin's popularity is not very high over here.

Speech by the Dutch minister of Foreign Affairs in the UN Council.

Hier de tekst van mijn speech in de VN Veiligheidsraad:
Mr. President,
We are here to discuss a tragedy: the downing of a commercial airliner and the death of 298 innocent people. Men, women and a staggering number of children lost their lives, on their way to their holiday destinations, their homes, loved ones, their jobs or international obligations. Since Thursday I've been thinking how horrible the final moments of their lives must have been, when they knew the plane was going down. Did they lock hands with their loved ones, did they hold their children close to their hearts, did they look each other in the eyes, one final time, in a wordless goodbye? We will never know.
The demise of almost 200 of my compatriots has left a hole in the heart of the Dutch nation, has caused grief, anger and despair. Grief for the loss of loved ones, anger for the outrage of the downing of a civilian airplane and despair after witnessing the excruciatingly slow process of securing the crash site and recovering the remains of the victims.
It is fitting that this august Council should take position on this matter and I welcome the adoption of today’s resolution of the UNSC, which was tabled by Australia and which the Netherlands co-sponsored. I thank the countries which expressed support for it. I particularly want to thank Julie Bishop. Julie, we are in this together.
Mr President,
For the Netherlands, one priority clearly stands out above all others: bring the victims’ remains home. It is a matter of human decency that remains should be treated with respect and that recovering victim’s remains should be done without any delay.
The last couple of days we have received very disturbing reports of bodies being moved about and looted for their possessions. Just imagine for one minute, first to lose your husband and then to have to fear that some thug might steal his wedding ring from his remains. Just imagine that this could be your spouse. To my dying day I will not understand that it took so much time for the rescue workers to be allowed to do their difficult jobs and that human remains should be used in a despicable political game. I hope the world will not have to witness this again, any time in the future.
Images of children’s toys being tossed around, luggage being opened or passports being shown, are turning our grief and mourning into anger. We demand unimpeded access to the terrain. We demand respectful treatment of the crash site. We demand dignity for the victims and the multitudes who mourn their loss.
I call on the international community, on the Security Council, on anyone with influence on the situation on the ground: allow us to bring the victims’ remains home to their loved ones without any further delay. They deserve to be home.
As we are currently taking the lead in the forensic examination of the human remains, I pledge that the Netherlands will do its utmost to make sure that all remains will be identified and returned home, where ever that home may be.
We will work intensively with all countries and international organizations involved to make this happen.
Mr. President,
I also welcome the setting up of a proper investigation into the cause of the tragedy of MH17, as envisaged in today’s resolution. The Netherlands has agreed to assume a leading role in such an investigation, in close cooperation with the relevant countries, the United Nations and ICAO. I am fully aware of the great responsibility we now take upon ourselves and I give you my personal commitment that we will discharge this responsibility to the best of our abilities.
Once the investigation ascertains who was responsible for the downing of the flight MH17, accountability and justice must be pursued and delivered. We owe that to the victims, to justice, to humanity. I call on all relevant countries to provide full cooperation.
My country will not rest until all facts are known and justice is served.
I thank you, Mr. President.

 on: Yesterday at 12:59:56 PM 
Started by BlueMeanie - Last post by Dmitry
Hello to Taxgirl  cheer1

 on: Yesterday at 12:43:02 PM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by Dmitry
by the way

Russia's Defence Ministry on Monday challenged accusations pro-Russian rebels were to blame for shooting down a Malaysian airliner and asked the United States to produce satellite images to support its assertions.

In russian: http://lenta.ru/articles/2014/07/21/milversion/ with pics.

Russia already have satellite images. Why NATO is silent?

 on: Yesterday at 12:21:59 PM 
Started by Bobber - Last post by Joost
The article only mentions one Dutch researcher.

If just one of the researchers was Dutch, than it's a fact that there weren't 100 AIDS researchers on board. 193 of all 283 passengers were Dutch.

 on: Yesterday at 10:54:29 AM 
Started by nimrod - Last post by Badgirl66
qiuckly round 12 from 22

 on: Yesterday at 10:44:29 AM 
Started by Ovi - Last post by Dcazz
The only time I've ever heard the word Aspadistra is in the fadeout of one of McCartney's song. "It's the biggest Aspadistra...." I though it might be a word he just made up!
Question? What is an Aspadistra?!

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