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 on: February 01, 2016, 11:50:17 PM 
Started by real01 - Last post by Loco Mo
Well, then, maybe if George Martin hadn't come along then maybe John, Paul, George and Ringo may also not have come along.  Don't know what would have happened in the studio then.

 on: February 01, 2016, 11:48:38 PM 
Started by Loco Mo - Last post by Loco Mo
I think I'm in denial - kind of like Pete has been or maybe still is.

 on: February 01, 2016, 11:45:56 PM 
Started by nimrod - Last post by Klang


 on: February 01, 2016, 09:57:14 PM 
Started by real01 - Last post by blmeanie
George Martin was as instrumental (pun intended) in the evolution of the Beatles as was the location and time all of our parents conceived each of us.  Had the time/location not been that exact precise time, maybe all of us would be someone else, born somewhere different, to different people.

 on: February 01, 2016, 12:42:57 AM 
Started by Hello Goodbye - Last post by Hello Goodbye

Onateska and Lilith

 on: February 01, 2016, 12:35:39 AM 
Started by Hello Goodbye - Last post by Hombre_de_ningun_lugar
Goodbye Signe, RIP.

"It's No Secret" (1966)
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 on: February 01, 2016, 12:29:59 AM 
Started by Loco Mo - Last post by tkitna
Kevins right.  The only reasons he was even in the band was -

1. They always struggled to find drummers back then.  Nobody was dependable.
2. He had his own set and they practiced at his place.

The Pete Best thing isn't a mystery.  There's just more than one reason why it happened.

 on: January 31, 2016, 11:08:27 PM 
Started by Loco Mo - Last post by nimrod
youve got too much time on your hands   ha2ha

Pete was binned because of 2 reasons,

1) he wasnt good enough
2) they didnt like him

 on: January 31, 2016, 09:32:16 PM 
Started by Hello Goodbye - Last post by In My Life
It's really been difficult seeing so many leave us recently. I admired Signe not only for her fantastic voice but also as a person. She based her decision to leave Jefferson Airplane on what was best for her newborn child and fought through a lot of health problems in her 74 years. I hope the news of her passing leads people to discover that first Airplane album the way I did when I first joined the forum. She deserves recognition.

RIP, Signe.

 on: January 31, 2016, 09:29:22 PM 
Started by real01 - Last post by Loco Mo
Also, George Martin played a major role in "For the Benefit of Mr. Kite."  John instructed him to create a carnival atmosphere which was achieved by cutting up and splicing together multiple recordings of fairground organs and calliope music.  Although John claimed to have written this entirely, Paul has recently laid partial claim to it.

I think that element of the ending made the song very attractive to me.  George Martin deserves credit for the aura he created.

Think about this as well.  Many people believed Paul to be the talented songwriter of the group.  In fact, many thought of him as a composer.  John knew this and resented it.  It started around the time that Paul performed "Yesterday" solo on the Ed Sullivan show.  John said in one interview that sometime interviewers would ignore him while talking to Paul about the Beatles music as though John did not play a significant part in its creation.

Another assumption made by many - even to this day - is that Paul was the driver of John and that without him John would have gone no where and amounted to nothing.  While John didn't want to give props to George Martin, many fans also did not want to give props to John.  The belief is now widespread that Paul was the real force behind the Beatles success with his songs being branded the most "Beatlesque," particularly evidenced by his solo efforts.  It is argued that Paul wrote the "feel good" sounds of the Beatles.  Surely, this was the primary attraction of their music overall.

Somewhat beside the point, I really think Paul outgrew the Beatles around the time of Sgt Pepper.  They really couldn't keep up with him any more.  He was such a prolific songwriter and had so many songs to write and express.  John seemed to have lost interest.  He even said that he was disillusioned with the expectation that with each album the Beatles were expected to top themselves.  But, really, what could they do after Sgt Pepper?

It was then, after the White Album, that Paul's dominance prevailed over their remaining albums.  The Beatles couldn't go on as a group under those conditions.  It had to be all 4 together, not 1 and 3.

Well, I got off track a bit here.  But I think I've made a point.  Giving credit where credit is due is difficult when a bunch of individuals are trying to claim all the credits for themselves.  And I don't think there were equal efforts in the end.  John got lazy and uninspired and George, like a little brother to him, followed suit by seemingly not wanting to be a Beatle anymore.  Yes, Paul gets a lot of credit for his struggle to enliven the expiring Beatles in their death throes.  But in the end, well, you know, the love you take is equal to the love you make.  Not sure what this means really but sounds like a good way to end a song as well as this little opinion piece.  Thanks for listening.

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