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Title: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: pisces on May 09, 2008, 08:50:33 PM
hi i'm new here. this is the best beatles forum i've seen i'm so glad to have found it! lifelong obsessive fan since age of 6 (am 34 now!), nice to meet you all.

this is a thread for the brand new lewisohn triple volume book series, volume one of which is due on the shelves this coming christmas. he has been asking fans via websites to send him any bits of clippings, photos, info, memorabilia etc they may have if its not been seen before, and that seemed like a good start. 1963 is where the first book ends, as the 'mania' kicks in, then two more books will follow in the subsequent 8 years.

i'm looking forward to these books. i think they'll become the definitive account because *despite everything* there's not really ever been one.

what do you guys think?

Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: An Apple Beatle on May 10, 2008, 10:57:48 AM
Hey there welcome...Glad your on board, stick around. Like you , me 6 & 34 too. ;)

With recent technological info sharing on the net, there are probably loads of new contributions that may prove interesting...all depends on the costs i suppose.
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: harihead on May 10, 2008, 08:23:45 PM
Hi, Pisces. Welcome!
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Beatles on May 11, 2008, 04:06:36 AM
definetely i'll buy them all, only Im getting frustrated cuz it's taking so long(I'll be about 24 when they all come out!!!)
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Geoff on May 12, 2008, 01:24:07 AM
Quote from: 937
definetely i'll buy them all, only Im getting frustrated cuz it's taking so long(I'll be about 24 when they all come out!!!)

24! I'm gonna be in my bloody fifties!  ;D

Best wishes to Mark, though; Chronicle and Recording Sessions are two of the very best.  :)

Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Geoff on May 15, 2008, 11:39:48 AM
Mark Lewisohn on his new books:   :)

Expert says The Beatles
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Beatles on May 15, 2008, 11:37:21 PM
Dang, first I heard it was going to be realeased in 2008, then 2009 and now it's 2010!
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: pisces on May 16, 2008, 02:10:09 AM
if he gets the full details of THAT incident out of bob wooler i'm all ears for the rest, but i aint holding me breath!

wow 2010... :(
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Xose on December 22, 2008, 10:21:45 AM
Hi everybody ;)

I was told recently that 1st volume will be released in 2011...

Best ;)

Xose
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: BlueMeanie on December 22, 2008, 10:24:58 AM
I thought it was 2010, but what's a year between friends!
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Xose on December 22, 2008, 10:27:12 AM
Quote from: 483
I thought it was 2010, but what's a year between friends!

That is what Mark Lewisohn said in May 2008. But new news (=sorry about that!!) tell that it will be in 2011...

Best!! ;)

Xose

Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Andy Smith on December 26, 2008, 05:12:36 PM
told me it was 2030!  :P ;D
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Penny Lane on January 04, 2009, 10:04:27 PM
This Lewisohn project sounds amazing to me...  Kind of nerdy ;D but just perfect for knowledge-hungry, hardcore Beatles fans.  I wish him lots of luck in completing these books and I'm looking forward to the release of his first volume.
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: QuarryMan89 on February 07, 2009, 12:16:41 AM
I'm anticipating this one. I've yet to read a definitive comprehensive single volume about the group--the closest is the Anthology, obviously. And Coleman's Lennon book, but that one is obviously very John-centric. The other ones I've read focus on a specific aspect or year, etc. Never felt an urge to read Shout! or anything like that.

I've yet to read the Spitz book, will that tell me anything I don't already know?
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on February 07, 2009, 01:14:23 PM
Quote from: 1900
I've yet to read the Spitz book, will that tell me anything I don't already know?


Oh no!

My opinion on this book is in here: http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/m-1130719228/
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on January 19, 2011, 07:00:07 PM
Hi everybody ;)

I was told recently that 1st volume will be released in 2011...

Best ;)

Xose

Found this:
Recently, someone on Twitter noticed that the first volume of Mark Lewisohn's much anticipated Beatles bio is listed on Amazon.co.uk for publication Sept. 1. Sorry, but don't mark your calendars just yet, at least for the moment. We contacted Lewisohn to ask if the Sept. 1 date on Amazon was accurate. His reply, late last week, was to say "it’s due this fall (autumn) and I’m still writing." It's certainly a book a lot of fans are definitely looking forward to.
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Revolver42 on March 09, 2011, 01:11:41 PM
Any updated word on this?  I can't wait until it is out!   8)
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: BeatleChick on March 11, 2011, 07:13:05 AM
Wow! I hadn't heard that he was working on a new one (where have I been?!) That's great! I think his books on the Beatles are some of the best. That's definitely something to look forward to. I can't wait to read it.  ;D
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on March 11, 2011, 08:23:58 AM
Any updated word on this?  I can't wait until it is out!   8)

Haven't read anything about it lately. I guess he's still writing. ;D
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Xose on March 11, 2011, 08:35:36 AM
Haven't read anything about it lately. I guess he's still writing. ;D

Oh yes: he is...

Xosé
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on March 12, 2011, 10:05:14 AM
Oh yes: he is...

Xosé

Do you know or do you presume?
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Xose on March 12, 2011, 09:18:25 PM
Do you know or do you presume?

I do know because he told me that two weeks ago...

Xosé
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on March 13, 2011, 12:23:23 PM
I do know because he told me that two weeks ago...

Xosé

Aha! That's what I was thinking! ;D  Ask him to become a member in here. ha2ha.  That would be terrific of course and it might even broaden his point of view. On another note: doesn't he know the members of the GM Orchestra?
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Xose on March 13, 2011, 12:45:52 PM
I did it in the past, but he told me he is terribly busy finishing the book...

No: he doesn't know...  ???

Best!! ;)

Xosé
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on March 13, 2011, 12:46:45 PM
I'm happy if he joins after he finishes the book. ;D
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Gary910 on March 13, 2011, 03:23:00 PM
Wow, what a feather in the cap, if we could get Mark Lewisohn to join.

First Bill Harry, then Mark Lewisohn...  ;yes
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: nyfan(41) on March 13, 2011, 03:35:12 PM
i'd really never heard of him
just googled him and i've seen his beatles books on the bookstore shelf
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if i'm not mistaken, his beatles books are extremely comprehensive . .  almost like a statistician type of reference material
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i never went cover to cover with one of his books but i'm sure many beatles details i've read/learned elsewhere where taken from his work
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i'm wondering if his new material will be (sorry) like a 'user friendly' prose, or an encyclopedia type of experience
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Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: nyfan(41) on March 13, 2011, 03:36:50 PM
also, when i googled him it said he wrote a biography about benny hill !
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now that's something you don't see everyday !
 :D
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Gary910 on March 13, 2011, 08:26:54 PM
If Mark Lewisohn says it is true, it probably is. Paul and Apple have hired him to do research. He was the first outsider granted access to the Beatles recordings to document them. He is a researcher extraordinaire. If Paul said something and Mark said something different, Paul would believe Mark over himself.

He is a really nice guy too. I met him at a Beatles convention back in 1988.
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on March 16, 2011, 07:00:27 PM
Hi, I got news from Mark at the end of last week and it seems that the September date can't be fulfilled. Therefore the book will not come out before 2012.

Eric.
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on March 16, 2011, 08:54:16 PM
Thanks for the update, Eric.
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Gary910 on November 18, 2011, 12:54:48 AM
I just found this eight part interview on YouTube... This is part one, watch all eight parts, it is worth your time.

World Exclusive (Pt. 1): Mark Lewisohn on Peeples Place at KHTS about Beatles bio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiXWZz2Bqlg#ws)
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on November 18, 2011, 08:22:59 AM
Thanks for posting Gary. I can't wait for these books to be released.
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Nada Surf on January 02, 2012, 05:56:07 PM
I also can't wait for this first book to come out...Any new news?
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on January 03, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
I also can't wait for this first book to come out...Any new news?

I met him again on 11 December 2011 at the London Beatles day. Normally, if my info is correct, the book is due to come out in September/October 2012, which is... tomorrow !

Eric  ;)
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Nada Surf on January 04, 2012, 05:14:48 AM
Geez..by the time he gets this finished, the Beatles will reunite!
Title: Re: the new mark lewisohn books
Post by: Bobber on May 14, 2013, 09:41:34 AM
Found this on the excellent WogBlog:

 Lewisohn Special Edition

The book we're all looking forward to read, the new definitive Beatles biography by Mark Lewisohn is due out with volume one, "Tune in" in October. The triology goes under the collective name of "All these years". Volume one is available to preorder from Amazon with a stipulated publication date of October 10. However, if you really want to get into the story in great detail you may want to hold out until November 13th, when the expanded edition is expected.
The regular edition will be big (800 pages), the expanded edition will be bigger. There'll be more to read. 1856 pages, if Google Books is anything to go by. And of course, the price is also expanded.
At the moment, Amazon has a price tag of £30 for the regular edition and a whopping £120 for the expanded one. Details about the differences are expected soon from the publisher Little, Brown.
 
Word from the publisher:
Everyone knows the Beatles’ story – right? Wrong. Their enduring fame and influence has made them the subject of many books, but this biography is the true ultimate: a riveting read, unbiased, independent, authoritative, accurate, written by the world’s leading authority. A whole new take on the most extraordinary of subjects, and surely the lasting word. Delete what you’ve read or know and start afresh

Tune In is the first book in a genre-defining three-volume project. It takes the Beatles from before their beginning up to the final night of 1962, when they know success is theirs to grasp but they have no clue they’re on the cusp of a whole new kind of celebrity.

This is the lesser-known Beatles story, the pre-fame years, the Liverpool and Hamburg years – and in many respects the most absorbing, extraordinary and incredible period of them all. Here is the full colour story of their family backgrounds, childhoods, and their infatuation with a new and much misunderstood music bursting out of America: rock and roll. Everything comes together in these years and in this one volume: the Beatles’ talent, charisma, looks, sex appeal, personalities, honesty, attitude – and the Lennon-McCartney partnership.

Told with panache, wit and the alluring, authoritative style of a master craftsman, this is one of the most eagerly awaited books for years.

Written from an immense wealth of primary and insider resources, many never heard or seen before, including letters, contracts, photos, recordings and hundreds of new and archive interviews. Researched around the world from public libraries to deep private archives.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-i6QhGItglvo/UTK2Si9vQbI/AAAAAAAAFtU/jqEp_2Fxu9o/s1600/photo2.png)
The Saturday-night dance in Port Sunlight, July 1962, (this photo has never been seen before) mere months before the revolution – John, Paul and George in harmony and dressed for success.

Sir George Martin:
‘Of all the chroniclers who have studied the lives of John, Paul, George and Ringo, Mark Lewisohn stands supreme. His dedication in getting all the true facts, coupled with a style of writing that is most readable, leaves him with no rival. Time and again he has proven that he knows far more about what we did than any of us. So many other books have been written about the lives of the Beatles that are less than truthful and a great deal of misinformed rubbish has been avidly devoured. We are fortunate to have Mark’s scholarship’

Official book site: www.thebeatlesbiography.com (http://www.thebeatlesbiography.com)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on May 14, 2013, 09:43:12 AM
So, here we go again. A regular edition and an extended version. The second will only cost 120 GBP (160 USD, 132 EUR). And then there's two more parts of the biography to come. Check your bank accounts!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books - new interview with Mark
Post by: henrythehorse on June 27, 2013, 07:08:05 PM
I've been lurking on these forums for a while but didn't want to join until I could bring something to the party. I hope this makes the grade...

A new interview with Mark Lewisohn about All These Years. Sit back and have your interest piqued:

http://www.kenmichaelsradio.com/ (http://www.kenmichaelsradio.com/)

Scroll down about half way and it's under the photograph of Ken and Ringo. The interview is broken down into 6 parts and Mark gives us a few more clues as to what is going to be revealed in the book. And there's lots of other Beatle-related interviews to enjoy as well.

Thanks and best wishes
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 13, 2013, 08:57:11 AM


Mark Lewisohn told Beatles Examiner Aug. 31 the wait is almost over -- the first copies of Volume 1 of his much anticipated Beatles biography “All These Years: Volume 1, Tune In” to be available in the U.S. and the UK, are just off the press, as pictures on this page and in the slide show confirm. That's Mark and his wife Anita proudly holding one of the first copies.

“I can’t wait for this book to be out and have people talk about the content rather than the mechanics of its publication,” he told Beatles Examiner.

"I am holding the UK mass-market edition, literally hot off the press," he explained. "Hardback only, and the extent is 960 pages. (Though it was feared at one point that the end notes would not be included in this edition, they are, thankfully.) Publication in UK on 10 October by Little, Brown.”

“So that’s two different editions of the same book – quite simple, really," he said.

As we have reported, the U.S. edition will be identical, but with a different jacket and ”Americanized text”. The book comes out in the U.S. on Oct. 29 by Crown.

The Extended Special Edition with 1,728 pages comes out in the UK Nov. 14. He said he hopes that version will be published in the U.S. in February, but that's still up in the air. The Extended Special Edition will be a boxed set in two volumes and not available separately.

The mass market version will also be available as an ebook. There will also be an ebook of the Extended Special Edition, again split into two, but unlike the physical book, the two parts will be available separately. (Note: Amazon.co.uk has a listing for part one, but not part two yet.) And he says the audio book of the mass-market edition only will also be available as a download.

"The thing to remember is that everything about this project is big," he said.

Lewisohn told Beatles Examiner internet reports that review copies are out there are false.

“Review copies won’t be available for another couple of weeks, I understand,” he told us.
“If you’ve read differently on the web, such claims are untrue.”

However, there will be autographed copies. A spokesman for Tracks Ltd. told us a limited number of autographed copies (300 total) of the book will be available through their site.

Other false stories have been going around as well, he said.

“I even read that I turned up in Liverpool last weekend with three copies. I was in Liverpool, yes, but without the book, which I didn’t get to hold until yesterday.”
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 13, 2013, 09:10:35 AM
http://thebeatlesbiography.com/ (http://thebeatlesbiography.com/)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 13, 2013, 09:15:21 AM
Which one to buy? The expensive extended special version or the regular? There's a big difference in the costs...
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on September 14, 2013, 01:24:28 AM
Which one to buy? The expensive extended special version or the regular? There's a big difference in the costs...

Thanks for the information Cor. I know which one I want but that doesn't mean that's the one I'll get!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: ibanez_ax on September 14, 2013, 11:37:48 PM
Which one to buy? The expensive extended special version or the regular? There's a big difference in the costs...

I will read the reviews of all the versions and then decide.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 27, 2013, 10:41:45 AM
The Telegraph is running a series of extracts from Mark Lewisohn's upcoming Beatles biography "Tune In". Access them here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10322950/The-Beatles-the-making-of-Lennon.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10322950/The-Beatles-the-making-of-Lennon.html)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10323120/The-Beatles-the-Sixties-Start-Here.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/10323120/The-Beatles-the-Sixties-Start-Here.html)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/the-beatles/10321180/The-Beatles-the-birth-of-the-band.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music/the-beatles/10321180/The-Beatles-the-birth-of-the-band.html)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: oldbrownshoe on September 29, 2013, 05:49:38 PM
David Hepworth seems to be pretty enthusiastic in his blog as well.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: oldbrownshoe on October 07, 2013, 04:09:55 PM
So what's the story on this?

After having misgivings about the emergence of a 2nd version, (I can't recall too many examples of this one-up-man-ship in the 60s.....alas now it seems par for the course), I am getting the 'full monty' edition bought for me in November, but unless I go into London on Thursday to get the £30 one, I'm left twiddling my thumbs for 5 weeks while everyone else has a gas and gets to know what Paul had for breakfast on 24th May 1958!

What to do?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on October 07, 2013, 07:26:50 PM
So what's the story on this?

After having misgivings about the emergence of a 2nd version, (I can't recall too many examples of this one-up-man-ship in the 60s.....alas now it seems par for the course), I am getting the 'full monty' edition bought for me in November, but unless I go into London on Thursday to get the £30 one, I'm left twiddling my thumbs for 5 weeks while everyone else has a gas and gets to know what Paul had for breakfast on 24th May 1958!

What to do?

Yeah, I'm doubting as well.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 08, 2013, 01:50:32 AM
I will read the reviews of all the versions and then decide.

So will I.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on October 08, 2013, 01:58:09 AM
...while everyone else has a gas and gets to know what Paul had for breakfast on 24th May 1958!

Long since broken down by amylase, lipase, carbohydrase, pepsinogen, and gastrin...and defecated.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: oldbrownshoe on October 12, 2013, 07:26:58 AM
I've decided to wait for the 'full monty' (my birthday/Christmas present this year).
As I think it officially came out last Thursday (10th), has anyone any comments on the book so far?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: oldbrownshoe on October 15, 2013, 06:37:30 AM
Is no one reading it?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on October 15, 2013, 10:44:41 AM
Not yet.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: pc31 on October 19, 2013, 08:09:31 PM
i didnt like his old book... ha2ha
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: oldbrownshoe on October 24, 2013, 06:38:54 AM
Given the huge influence Chuck Berry, Lonnie Donegan, Gene Vincent, Buddy Holly etc. were on the young Beatles (frankly, without them, no Beatles) it's heartening to see in the NME Top 500 Albums List, published last Tuesday, that there is only one (ONE!!!!) Rock 'n' Roll LP, Elvis's debut.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Brynjar on October 24, 2013, 08:37:49 AM
i didnt like his old book... ha2ha


You didn´t like The Complete Beatles Recording Sessions?

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Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Normandie on October 29, 2013, 03:05:49 AM

My first volume of Tune In just shipped. Looking forward to reading it!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: ibanez_ax on October 30, 2013, 02:48:34 AM
I just downloaded the Kindle edition.  Good night ladies and gents.  I'm going to bury myself in this!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Sir John Johns on October 31, 2013, 02:05:31 AM
downloaded the Kindle edition - I am going to get the deluxe version soon.

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Normandie on November 01, 2013, 08:58:34 PM


I'm still waiting for my hard copy.  >:(  Maybe it's time to rethink my devotion to print.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: ibanez_ax on November 02, 2013, 12:27:19 AM

I'm still waiting for my hard copy.  >:(  Maybe it's time to rethink my devotion to print.

I love the Kindle version!  I read it in bed on the Kindle Fire HD, at lunch at work on my phone, and when I goof off at work on my PC.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on November 02, 2013, 03:34:12 PM
Maybe it's time to rethink my devotion to print.

Oh no..don't defect! We bibliophiles have to stick together.  ;)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Normandie on November 05, 2013, 12:00:33 AM

I won't defect; promise, Kelley! I am firmly in the print-will-never-die camp.  :)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on November 05, 2013, 12:49:48 AM
I won't defect; promise, Kelley! I am firmly in the print-will-never-die camp.  :)

That's a relief Kathy!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: ibanez_ax on November 05, 2013, 01:09:09 AM
I won't defect; promise, Kelley! I am firmly in the print-will-never-die camp.  :)

You might need a handtruck to cart it around.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on November 05, 2013, 01:24:29 AM
You might need a handtruck to cart it around.

Are you enjoying it? Is it worth the physical effort? LOL
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Normandie on November 05, 2013, 01:01:32 PM
You might need a handtruck to cart it around.

I meant to comment on that last night. The book is so big that I can definitely see where an e-reader would be preferable in this
case.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Normandie on November 05, 2013, 08:51:15 PM

I apologize for getting a bit off topic here, but a friend just sent me this French advertisement about paper vs. electronics, and it seemed to dovetail nicely with the last few comments: 

http://www.youtube.com/embed/V_gOZDWQj3Q?rel=0 (http://www.youtube.com/embed/V_gOZDWQj3Q?rel=0)

 ;D
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on November 06, 2013, 04:41:05 AM
I apologize for getting a bit off topic here, but a friend just sent me this French advertisement about paper vs. electronics, and it seemed to dovetail nicely with the last few comments: 

[url]http://www.youtube.com/embed/V_gOZDWQj3Q?rel=0[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/embed/V_gOZDWQj3Q?rel=0[/url])

 ;D


I love it...and Emma too! I wonder if it would be an appropriate thing to post on the library Facebook page? LOL
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Sir John Johns on November 27, 2013, 03:56:24 AM
My copy of the deluxe version arrived. I maybe gone some time.

Even split into two volumes, it's very unwieldy.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: stevie on November 27, 2013, 08:27:16 AM
Got this from the local library today! It's actually only 840 pages to read as the rest is appendices, index, acknowledgements, etc.

The photos have a few famous ones and some I've never seen. While I mightn't learn anythig  startlingly new about the boys, it's always good to read someone's take on things. And Mark has  the cred!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on November 27, 2013, 06:44:27 PM
Got this from the local library today! It's actually only 840 pages to read as the rest is appendices, index, acknowledgements, etc.

I bet you'll have to renew that a few times!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: stevie on November 27, 2013, 07:31:27 PM
I bet you'll have to renew that a few times!

I'm a fast reader bro! And you get 2 weeks then another 2 unless the book is on hold, lol.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on November 29, 2013, 03:57:53 AM
I'm a fast reader bro! And you get 2 weeks then another 2 unless the book is on hold, lol.

At the library where I work it's four weeks and then another four. I'm glad you're supporting your library.  ;)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on November 30, 2013, 10:35:27 AM
Ordered the big one today. I got some spare time during Christmas.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: stevie on December 08, 2013, 02:36:59 AM
 Nearly 500 pages in and this book is wonderful!

It will be probably be the most interesting of the 3 volumes as the next 2 will cover more of the Beatles music that is known and loved by the world. In Tune In, a lot of the story is about them and their coming of age and growing up. While the music is important, at that stage it's all covers of the songs of the time, and obscure stuff too, a lot of which I have never heard before. The next 2 will be all them as the Beatles.

Does that make sense?  Have learned some new stuff too. I wasn't sure if I knew that Nell was the father of Pete Best's baby brother with Mona? Lol, I may have read it years back but didn't recall it. My wife thought that was gross when I explained the age difference and the situation.

Loving the Cavern times - the fans were great. It must've been unreal seeing and hearing the boys in those conditions, lol
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: oldbrownshoe on December 08, 2013, 07:58:32 PM
Although I've got the book, I haven't taken the plunge yet. I think I'll start it in the new year.
Completely agree with the idea that it's this volume which will be the most interesting.
To me, The Beatles have always been a 50s 'and' 60s group, and it's that era (including the 50s) that saw the peak of popular music.
The best bit of the Anthology series were the first volume and the demos/acoustic numbers on Volume 3.
I didn't find the stuff from the Rubber Soul to Sgt. Pepper's era (Volume 2) nearly as interesting.
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Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on December 08, 2013, 09:45:23 PM

Have learned some new stuff too. I wasn't sure if I knew that Nell was the father of Pete Best's baby brother with Mona? Lol, I may have read it years back but didn't recall it. My wife thought that was gross when I explained the age difference and the situation.

Yes, you're right Stevie, that was already mentioned in chapter 4 of the 2009 book Fact and Fiction 1960-1962, which is called : "The sacking of Pete Best". There is a complete explanation of the situation pages 265-266. And the paragraph concludes page 266 that :"What Bob Smeaton does not specify is that, if Neil Aspinall showed so much consideration for his old friend [Pete], it was because there was a second good reason to do so, this time for family reasons : Neil was the father of Roag, Pete Best's stepbrother, born on 21 july 1962".

Thanks !  ;)

All the best,

Eric
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Post by: Bobber on December 28, 2013, 08:38:12 AM
No mention of Paul McCartney on that particular picture.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on January 14, 2014, 01:05:55 AM
Nearly 500 pages in and this book is wonderful!

It will be probably be the most interesting of the 3 volumes as the next 2 will cover more of the Beatles music that is known and loved by the world. In Tune In, a lot of the story is about them and their coming of age and growing up. While the music is important, at that stage it's all covers of the songs of the time, and obscure stuff too, a lot of which I have never heard before. The next 2 will be all them as the Beatles.

Does that make sense?  Have learned some new stuff too. I wasn't sure if I knew that Nell was the father of Pete Best's baby brother with Mona? Lol, I may have read it years back but didn't recall it. My wife thought that was gross when I explained the age difference and the situation.

Loving the Cavern times - the fans were great. It must've been unreal seeing and hearing the boys in those conditions, lol

Im hooked on this, Im not as far in as you , up to where manager Nigel sacks Eric (did I get that right ?) as he is told its his job :P
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on January 14, 2014, 04:59:40 AM
Im hooked on this, Im not as far in as you , up to where manager Nigel sacks Eric (did I get that right ?) as he is told its his job :P

I'd better get this book; I don't know who Nigel or Eric are!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on January 14, 2014, 09:13:41 AM
I'd better get this book; I don't know who Nigel or Eric are!

haha
Eric Griffith was a guitarist in the Quarrymen and Nigel Whalley was their manager (of sorts) Kelley

I downloaded it, its great !!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on January 16, 2014, 08:24:57 AM
haha
Eric Griffith was a guitarist in the Quarrymen and Nigel Whalley was their manager (of sorts) Kelley

I downloaded it, its great !!

Just started reading it today. Hard to put it down. Man. Poor old Ringo had a particularly tough childhood.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on January 17, 2014, 09:48:01 AM
Yeah, I'm reading as well. I really loved the insight on the Beatles' family roots. Great stuff so far. I'm reading it in English so it might take a while. I hope the release of the next episode will take a while.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on January 18, 2014, 10:07:39 AM
It's great reading about the machinations of The Beatles finally signing with Parlaphone. And the motivation of getting the publishing rights to the original songs. I hadn't heard that angle before.

 Interesting too how clearly the bias against the regions on the part of London seemed to be a key cause in the reluctance to sign the Beatles. Class consciousness cost several companies a lot of money.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on January 19, 2014, 08:41:00 AM
Just started reading it today.

Damn finished it. Trouble reading on a kindle is it says your 60% through. And then it ends. With the pictures, notes and index taking up the rest.

Terrific read.  Pity it'll be years for the follow up.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on January 29, 2014, 11:34:56 PM
I never knew about the bullying that went down, like on the Scottish tour with Johnny Gentle, Paul & George were bullying Stu (George physically) and John was mentally terrorizing Tommy Moore

Sounds like a complete shambles of a tour though.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on January 30, 2014, 12:10:36 AM
I never knew about the bullying that went down, like on the Scottish tour with Johnny Gentle, Paul & George were bullying Stu (George physically) and John was mentally terrorizing Tommy Moore

Sounds like a complete shambles of a tour though.

It sounded pretty cruel bullying on Johns part too. Especially after the poor guy had a car accident. You really needed to have a thick skin to hang around with Johnny.

It did sound an awful tour. I note George says in Anthology  that they were an embarrassment.

 

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Brynjar on January 31, 2014, 03:27:46 PM
Damn, the Extended Special Edition is no longer available on amazon.co.uk.   :-[ It has been in my basket for such a long time and I was gonna buy it today. Hopefully it will be back soon. 
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Brynjar on January 31, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
..by the way.. is the Extended Special Edition really worth it - or should I just buy the other version? What is the real difference?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on January 31, 2014, 09:43:19 PM
..by the way.. is the Extended Special Edition really worth it - or should I just buy the other version? What is the real difference?

I saw the extended edition only after buying the standard. The extended was I think more than twice as much on the Kindle, so even if I'd seen it I'd have thought twice about it.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Brynjar on February 01, 2014, 06:54:51 PM
 :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/OSEeBTJ.jpg)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on February 02, 2014, 12:00:54 AM
This bloke thinks its all very boring

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 02, 2014, 12:35:09 AM
Damn, the Extended Special Edition is no longer available on amazon.co.uk.   :-[ It has been in my basket for such a long time and I was gonna buy it today. Hopefully it will be back soon. 


:'(

([url]http://i.imgur.com/OSEeBTJ.jpg[/url])


I wouldn't fret over this, Brynjar.  The single volume edition is more than sufficient.

I suspect that the double volume print edition was planned as a limited run collector's item.  There's always the secondary market if you feel you need to have it.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 02, 2014, 12:44:30 AM
This bloke thinks its all very boring

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html[/url])


I like the line "Lewisohn even includes everything he has failed to find out."  And that was in reference to the single volume edition!

I'm content with the US print edition Vol. 1 book I purchased.  I'm wondering if I'll even be around for Vol. 3  Hey, I'm even wondering if Lewisohn will be around for Vol. 3!   ;D







Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on February 02, 2014, 02:48:34 AM
I like the line "Lewisohn even includes everything he has failed to find out."  And that was in reference to the single volume edition!

I'm content with the US print edition Vol. 1 book I purchased.  I'm wondering if I'll even be around for Vol. 3  Hey, I'm even wondering if Lewisohn will be around for Vol. 3!   ;D


The special extended edition still seems to be available on Kindle. Whether they withdraw it now that the hard copy is dold out remains to be seen. The price difference is worse than I thought though. On kindle its sold in two parts for $39 each. So you're out $78. Whereas I bought the normal volume one for $21.70.

It seems to be considerably longer. The page length for the normal is 961. For the extended they have it as 1728. Almost another book. There's more pictures in the extended as well.



Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 02, 2014, 03:10:12 AM

The special extended edition still seems to be available on Kindle. Whether they withdraw it now that the hard copy is dold out remains to be seen. The price difference is worse than I thought though. On kindle its sold in two parts for $39 each. So you're out $78. Whereas I bought the normal volume one for $21.70.

It seems to be considerably longer. The page length for the normal is 961. For the extended they have it as 1728. Almost another book. There's more pictures in the extended as well.





I don't think they'll withdraw the Kindle version, Moog.  People will continue buying it and there are no further production costs associated with it.  I also feel that another printing of the two-volume edition will be made available if there is enough clamor for it as the set wasn't released in the US.  They'll probably increase the price on it too.  This is, after all, a 50th anniversary year.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on February 02, 2014, 03:43:30 AM
This bloke thinks its all very boring

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html[/url])


He's got a point about the extreme detail Lewisohn goes into. Just for me the positive of the overall picture it builds up makes the detail worth it. Now whether I'd be wanting the extra few hundred pages of it in the extended version is much more debateable
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on February 02, 2014, 07:17:28 PM
I love the extreme details. It cannot be detailed enough for me. That's exactly why I got the extended version. And still reading.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on February 02, 2014, 09:14:12 PM
I love the extreme details. It cannot be detailed enough for me. That's exactly why I got the extended version. And still reading.

You'll be an expert-texpert by the time you finish.  :)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 03, 2014, 01:40:22 AM
You'll be an expert-texpert by the time you finish.  :)


And then there's this book...


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WfLRU_97uhw/Ufk8VNMFbTI/AAAAAAAAAWw/XWRHgikr06w/s1600/extex.JPG)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on February 03, 2014, 03:05:46 AM
And then there's this book...


([url]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-WfLRU_97uhw/Ufk8VNMFbTI/AAAAAAAAAWw/XWRHgikr06w/s1600/extex.JPG[/url])


After 4 tries I finally manged to download a sample of this to my Kindle App. I learned something interesting already!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 03, 2014, 03:26:13 AM
After 4 tries I finally manged to download a sample of this to my Kindle App. I learned something interesting already!

What did you see when you were there?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on February 03, 2014, 03:59:24 AM
What did you see when you were there?

Something that's kind of gross...(but intriguing):


The original townhouse at 3 Abbey Road, London NW8 was built in 1813 and was home to a string of well-to -do Victorians. In 1883 the road was the location of a macabre mystery that captured the public’s imagination. The Times of London reported the ‘shocking discovery ’ of a gruesome parcel addressed to a Mrs. Green of 3, Abbey Road, St. John’s Wood . The report revealed that as no one by that name lived at the address the box was returned to the local sorting office.  It remained uncollected and would have been forgotten were it not for an increasingly fetid smell coming from it. The box was opened to reveal the remains of a young girl. The police surgeon concluded the cause of death was starvation and that the victim was not from the ‘lower classes’ as her teeth showed no sign of premature decay.

Hocker, Paul. Expert Textpert: The Beatle Dictionary (Kindle Locations 121-124). HockerDoodleDo. Kindle Edition.

Pretty weird. And then he mentions that a young fan could have met a similar fate in 1966 when she attempted to mail herself to The Beatles in a tea chest. She didn't get far before before she gave herself away trying to take her cardigan off.
 
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on February 05, 2014, 08:32:56 AM
I won't be a choking smoker for sure.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on February 05, 2014, 11:43:37 PM
Interesting that Tony Sheridan observes the Beatles progressing so much in their first stint in Hamburg, but he does state that Stu couldn't play bass and Pete as a drummer was holding them back due to his lack of an ability to drum different rhythms.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on February 06, 2014, 04:08:06 AM
Interesting that Tony Sheridan observes the Beatles progressing so much in their first stint in Hamburg, but he does state that Stu couldn't play bass and Pete as a drummer was holding them back due to his lack of an ability to drum different rhythms.

I found that aspect of the book really interesting. How much and how quickly they got it together when in hamburg. They also quote someone from Derry and the Seniors that when he heard the Beatles were coming to hamburg he was worried they'd ruin the deal since they were crap when he last saw them. But when he saw them on stage in hamburg he was amazed how good they were.

Poor old Pete's drumming does cop a battering in the book as well. But it does make clear he was virtually a beginner when he joined them. He just happened to be available and own a drum kit
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Post by: nimrod on February 06, 2014, 07:28:09 AM
I found that aspect of the book really interesting. How much and how quickly they got it together when in hamburg. They also quote someone from Derry and the Seniors that when he heard the Beatles were coming to hamburg he was worried they'd ruin the deal since they were crap when he last saw them. But when he saw them on stage in hamburg he was amazed how good they were.

Poor old Pete's drumming does cop a battering in the book as well. But it does make clear he was virtually a beginner when he joined them. He just happened to be available and own a drum kit

yeah they didn't want to ask him to go to Hamburg but absolutely no alternative..
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on February 07, 2014, 10:26:49 AM
yeah they didn't want to ask him to go to Hamburg but absolutely no alternative..

A positive about the book is the continuing rehabilitation of Ringo. He's been one of the most unfairly maligned musicians. The book shows he was a respected and in-demand drummer when the Beatles snapped him up. If not the best pop/rock drummer in Liverpool at the time (and for musos it's probably a silly thing to even try to quantify) he was certainly up there.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on February 08, 2014, 06:33:18 PM
Interesting that Tony Sheridan observes the Beatles progressing so much in their first stint in Hamburg, but he does state that Stu couldn't play bass and Pete as a drummer was holding them back due to his lack of an ability to drum different rhythms.

Oh, if you are really interested in this angle of the subject – including of course Pete’s poor drumming –, I inform you it is more than fully examined in chapter one of the book The Beatles Fact and Fiction 1960-1962 (October 2009).  This chapter (Tony Sheridan & The Beatles) takes up in itself almost half of the book, namely 173 pages !  (BTW, chapter four is also dedicated to the sacking of Pete Best).

Best Regards.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on February 09, 2014, 02:47:31 PM
Oh, if you are really interested in this angle of the subject – including of course Pete’s poor drumming –, I inform you it is more than fully examined in chapter one of the book The Beatles Fact and Fiction 1960-1962 (October 2009).  This chapter (Tony Sheridan & The Beatles) takes up in itself almost half of the book, namely 173 pages !  (BTW, chapter four is also dedicated to the sacking of Pete Best).

Best Regards.

Yes your excellent book has been vindicated by Lewisohn. But, tell me, is there anything that has surprised you in 'Tune In' ?

I've read about half of the 'normal' version and am surprised by a slightly anti-Paul tone. He's portrayed as being somewhat jealous and possessive.
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Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on February 09, 2014, 04:43:47 PM
Yes your excellent book has been vindicated by Lewisohn.

Thanks, Zipp. Yes, that's probably the best reward the book Fact & Fiction could expect! And Mark's way of quoting his sources with detailed footnotes at the end of every chapter is impeccable.

But, tell me, is there anything that has surprised you in 'Tune In' ?

I've read about half of the 'normal' version and am surprised by a slightly anti-Paul tone. He's portrayed as being somewhat jealous and possessive.

Oh yes, many things were surprising! For instance, the way the Beatles were eventually signed to Parlophone in Spring 1962 is a real scoop and definitely one of the highlights of the book. It should be pointed out though that I've just own the "normal" version so far, as I was not able to put my hands on the extended version yet (hope the publisher will do his best to make a second print quickly available to everybody).

Moreover, I just read long extracts of the book as I'm still very busy working on several projects, including volume 2 of the book La France et les Beatles...

Thanks !

All the best,

Eric  :)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on February 09, 2014, 11:21:48 PM
A positive about the book is the continuing rehabilitation of Ringo. He's been one of the most unfairly maligned musicians. The book shows he was a respected and in-demand drummer when the Beatles snapped him up. If not the best pop/rock drummer in Liverpool at the time (and for musos it's probably a silly thing to even try to quantify) he was certainly up there.

I agree moog, I think Ringo came across as a bit of a clown led a lot of people to think he wasn't a seriously good drummer, when in fact he was, any drummer who is able to play the myriad of styles The Beatles recorded over the years has to be good.

Its obvious from the book that 'they' (the boys) knew Ringo was their man, from 1st trip to Hamburg, John has said it, I think they were just waiting till the time was right to get Ringo, they liked him , he liked them, Pete never hung around with them, he hardly ever spoke and had one good rhythm in his hands.


 The Beatles Fact and Fiction 1960-1962 (October 2009). 

Eric. Id like to get hold of a copy of this, who is selling it ?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on February 09, 2014, 11:36:14 PM
The Beatles Fact and Fiction 1960-1962 (October 2009). 

Eric. Id like to get hold of a copy of this, who is selling it ?

Hi nimrod,

Depends where you live. Are you in Europe, in the United States or somewhere else ?... (I can also send signed copies myself).
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Post by: nimrod on February 09, 2014, 11:43:32 PM
In Australia Eric
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on February 09, 2014, 11:51:57 PM
In Australia Eric

Well, normally you still can get it through Amazon.com, but if you wish to have a signed copy, I can send it directly to you. You just have to contact me through PM and we'll arrange the best solution for you. (I have already successfully sent books to Australia).

Thank you for your interest to the book, nimrod.

Eric.  :)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on February 10, 2014, 12:07:32 AM
Just in case, here is the link for Amazon.co.uk, but of course I can send brand new copies myself at a much interesting price (send PM!):

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beatles-Fact-Fiction-Eric-Krasker/dp/2840495236/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1391990451&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=The+Beatles+Fact+and+Fiction+1960-1962 (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Beatles-Fact-Fiction-Eric-Krasker/dp/2840495236/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1391990451&sr=1-1-fkmr0&keywords=The+Beatles+Fact+and+Fiction+1960-1962)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on February 11, 2014, 09:18:56 AM
Erics book is highly recommended by DM's administrator. ;D
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on February 12, 2014, 08:19:07 PM
I won't be a choking smoker for sure.

I'm very glad to know that.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on February 13, 2014, 11:19:04 AM
A very interesting interview with Mark Lewisohn. I think Peregrine put this on the site but I can't refind it :

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/tune-in-and-turn-on-the-reading-light/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1 (http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/tune-in-and-turn-on-the-reading-light/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1)

He says the second volume will be for 2020 so that probably means 2022.

So the third volume will probably be out around 2030 !
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: VBMCollector on February 15, 2014, 09:29:06 AM
Thanks zipp!

I too recently discovered this article through my research on the web. So I took the opportunity to add it to the page that I devoted to the book of Mark, on my blog. What is interesting is that Mark also discusses what he discovered about George Martin and how he finally signed the Beatles. Or rather, how he has been instructed to do so! ;)

P.S.: glad to see you here, Eric ! :)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Brynjar on February 18, 2014, 05:30:57 PM
I´am so glad, so relieved:

(http://i.imgur.com/08n9WbD.jpg)

More at: http://www.thebeatlesbiography.com/ (http://www.thebeatlesbiography.com/)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on February 23, 2014, 10:12:40 PM
A very interesting interview with Mark Lewisohn. I think Peregrine put this on the site but I can't refind it :

[url]http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/tune-in-and-turn-on-the-reading-light/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1[/url] ([url]http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/27/tune-in-and-turn-on-the-reading-light/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=1[/url])

He says the second volume will be for 2020 so that probably means 2022.

So the third volume will probably be out around 2030 !


that's great zipp thanks..
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on February 25, 2014, 02:27:47 AM
Ok now Im at the bit where Paul (who isn't keen on Brian being theyre manager) revolts against things and decides he's not turning up for a gig, quite a prestigious one too, first of 3 at the University.
Brian was fraught and they had to let the organisers down (very unprofessional)..
Brian had been good enough to (that same night) pick Paul up, but Paul said he wasn't (nowhere near)ready (even though it was after 8pm the time arranged for pick up) and he, George & John would have to wait for him. They went to a pub, Paul dug his heels in and said he wasn't going to the gig, I don't think the others were very pleased with him.

Its amazing all this stuff I never knew

I need to get a copy of Brian's book now   roll:)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on February 25, 2014, 03:44:45 AM
I read that part, Kev.  Maybe Paul didn't want to wear tight trowsers.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on February 28, 2014, 08:18:47 AM
I read that part, Kev.  Maybe Paul didn't want to wear tight trowsers.

They didn't know it would become a unique selling point.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on February 28, 2014, 11:47:12 PM
Ok now Im at the bit where Paul (who isn't keen on Brian being their manager) revolts against things and decides he's not turning up for a gig, quite a prestigious one too, first of 3 at the University.
Brian was fraught and they had to let the organisers down (very unprofessional)..
Brian had been good enough to (that same night) pick Paul up, but Paul said he wasn't (nowhere near)ready (even though it was after 8pm the time arranged for pick up) and he, George & John would have to wait for him. They went to a pub, Paul dug his heels in and said he wasn't going to the gig, I don't think the others were very pleased with him.

I've just read this part too.

Once again Paul comes over as being difficult and hesitating. I wonder if this surfaced again in 1969 and 1970 when Paul didn't want to follow the others and go with Klein.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on March 10, 2014, 11:03:48 PM
I've just read this part too.

Once again Paul comes over as being difficult and hesitating. I wonder if this surfaced again in 1969 and 1970 when Paul didn't want to follow the others and go with Klein.

It seems Paul either likes someone or doesn't.......Stu, Pete, Brian, Klein, Astrid didn't get the tick of approval  ha2ha
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on March 12, 2014, 12:22:12 AM
Another interesting interview with Mr. Lewisohn.

Completely different from the other one !

http://www.listener.co.nz/culture/books/mark-lewisohn-interview-the-long-version/ (http://www.listener.co.nz/culture/books/mark-lewisohn-interview-the-long-version/)

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on March 12, 2014, 12:41:04 AM
Im very taken with this book..

I now want the extended version to read the whole thing again (and more)

The Beatles have been my main musical passion since I was 11 and thought Ive never thought much of previous books that have been written (and even poured scorn on them) I have to admit that Mark Lewisohn is THE man when it comes to The Beatles.
He is on a different planet to the other celebrated authors.

The whole intricate story of how they came to be is here, the metamorphosis from hard nosed scruffy rockers to clean well dressed little girls boy band.....the angst of all that for Lennon the rebel, but the overriding desire for fame and fortune, its a great story, a fantastic story.

A great film maybe ?  (a huge project in 3 parts).... maybe the McCartney children and grandchildren will end up richer than Paul

Meanwhile, all hail Mark - another genius in the Beatle story.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on March 12, 2014, 02:35:20 AM
Im very taken with this book..

I now want the extended version to read the whole thing again (and more)

The Beatles have been my main musical passion since I was 11 and thought Ive never thought much of previous books that have been written (and even poured scorn on them) I have to admit that Mark Lewisohn is THE man when it comes to The Beatles.
He is on a different planet to the other celebrated authors.

The whole intricate story of how they came to be is here, the metamorphosis from hard nosed scruffy rockers to clean well dressed little girls boy band.....the angst of all that for Lennon the rebel, but the overriding desire for fame and fortune, its a great story, a fantastic story.

A great film maybe ?  (a huge project in 3 parts).... maybe the McCartney children and grandchildren will end up richer than Paul

Meanwhile, all hail Mark - another genius in the Beatle story.

I agree Nim. It was a terrific book and I was sad when it finished. Especially with the time expected til volume 2. And I think a comprehensive film/series would be terrific. Not only for the Beatles story but the wonderful detail on post-war Britain and society in that era.  The soundtrack would be awesome as well.

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on March 12, 2014, 04:10:21 AM
Im very taken with this book..

Meanwhile, all hail Mark - another genius in the Beatle story.

I couldn't agree more! I'm just past their introduction to "Rock Around the Clock" but I'm already impressed with the amount of details and the way he weaves them together. What's touched me the most so far was the poem John wrote for Mimi when George died. I knew he displayed a lot writing talent early on but this amazed me.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Klang on March 12, 2014, 10:12:55 AM
A great film maybe ?  (a huge project in 3 parts).

Uh-oh. I sense Peter Jackson approaching.

 :P

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: ibanez_ax on March 12, 2014, 10:33:04 AM
Just like George R.R. Martin, I need Mark to live a long healthy life so he can finish this project.  And of course the same wish for all of us so we can enjoy them!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Normandie on March 14, 2014, 02:14:38 PM

After all these rave reviews, I am going to have to re-try mine. The book itself is just so huge and cumbersome, it was literally hard to hold to read. Even though I'm a die-hard print fan, I was seriously tempted to get an e-reader just for this first volume (and the subsequent ones). However, after seeing everyone's recent comments, I'm going to give it another go.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on March 14, 2014, 10:28:18 PM
After all these rave reviews, I am going to have to re-try mine. The book itself is just so huge and cumbersome, it was literally hard to hold to read. Even though I'm a die-hard print fan, I was seriously tempted to get an e-reader just for this first volume (and the subsequent ones). However, after seeing everyone's recent comments, I'm going to give it another go.

That's true, I saw it at the bookstore, it was like a brick, I always intended getting the e version as I now prefer to read on my tablet, I like the fact that its backlit and I can adjust the size of font, the book seemed to have quite small print............ like downloading music, you have to get over the not having anything physical to hold for your money  2ch
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on March 14, 2014, 11:33:54 PM
After all these rave reviews, I am going to have to re-try mine. The book itself is just so huge and cumbersome, it was literally hard to hold to read. Even though I'm a die-hard print fan, I was seriously tempted to get an e-reader just for this first volume (and the subsequent ones). However, after seeing everyone's recent comments, I'm going to give it another go.

E-readers are great for massive tomes like this. I took the Lewisohn book on my kindle to the coast in January. It was so much simpler than dragging a large book around. You can also easily highlight spots you want to remember or quote.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on March 15, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
I like reading a book.  With a work like this, I can jump around much easier that way.  I read novels and textbooks differently; from beginning to end.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on March 16, 2014, 06:11:50 AM
I was also a bit daunted by the prospect of supporting this tome with my tiny hands but the contents quickly distracted me from that. (Putting the dust jacket away helped too.) I've really considered having a Kindle but I just can't get past what I'd be missing from a sensory standpoint. I love the feel of a book, turning the pages and even the way they smell....most of them anyway! And then there's the fact that e-readers are really putting the hurt on our little library. When we finish with our current automation project we'll be tied into Overdrive, which will allow our patrons to borrow e-books through us. That will help with our numbers but it's absolutely insane how much we'll have to pay per title. That's a huge problem for libraries right now, especially for ones like ours. I spend a lot of time at work researching this problem and pondering how our library can remain relevant in this new electronic reality.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on April 29, 2014, 05:57:52 AM
I just read the passage that tells how The Beatles used to keep right on entertaining in the dark when a fuse would blow at the Cavern. It sounds like even that was great fun. Now when I think about flying back in time to the Cavern I'll hope for a blown fuse.  :)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 11:09:42 AM
Im very taken with this book..

I now want the extended version to read the whole thing again (and more)

The Beatles have been my main musical passion since I was 11 and thought Ive never thought much of previous books that have been written (and even poured scorn on them) I have to admit that Mark Lewisohn is THE man when it comes to The Beatles.
He is on a different planet to the other celebrated authors.

The whole intricate story of how they came to be is here, the metamorphosis from hard nosed scruffy rockers to clean well dressed little girls boy band.....the angst of all that for Lennon the rebel, but the overriding desire for fame and fortune, its a great story, a fantastic story.

A great film maybe ?  (a huge project in 3 parts).... maybe the McCartney children and grandchildren will end up richer than Paul

Meanwhile, all hail Mark - another genius in the Beatle story.

Hi everyone,

I haven't been on here for a couple of years,well I mean I haven't posted on here since then but I have still read the forums every now and then.One thing I really hate and don't want to do at all is argue with fellow Beatles fans.But I have to say the surprising puzzling  ??? :ocomment you made about how The Beatles metamorphosis from hard nosed scruffy rockers to clean well dressed little girls ''boy band'',is totally untrue! It doesn't matter that Brian Epstein created their fake joke cleaned up image,The Beatles were *never* a true ''boy band'' not even for a half of a second,they didn't even play one on TV.They were still a great rock n roll and pop rock band.

Many people have rightfully correctly pointed out that The Monkees were the first true boy band because even though they were all musical,they weren't playing together since they were teenagers like John 16 with Paul 15 and George 14,and then working their a*ses of playing 8 hours a night in the sleazy strip clubs of Hamburg for 2 years having to take speed pilss to stay awake to do it,and then playing successfuly also at The Cavern club for several years.The Monkees were hired as actors specifically to play a pop rock band for their TV show,not that they weren't good.

But as a poster ReverendRock who is a reverend,rock musician and a big Beatles fan so accurately pointed out on a classic rock site over 10 years ago,that anyone who knows The Beatles history knows it's totally ludicrous to even suggest such a thing!

And The Beatles wrote many very good and great rock n roll songs and ironically were the most wild during their fake cleaned up image while they were touring from 1963-1966,going to bed with *tons* of young women groupies,many who were under age teen girls.

And also John and Paul as I'm sure most fans on here already know,wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song I Wanna Be You're Man in 1963 and they wrote it right in front of keith Richards and Mick Jagger who were really impressed that they could just write a hit song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and it began the years of friendship between the two groups.

Also John and Paul were already writing hits for other music artists as early as 1963 just when their own song writing success was taking off.And Paul was writing songs before John,a year before he met him, when he was only 14(and he became obsessed with playing the guitar then too) after his beloved intelligent,pretty and kind nurse mid wife mother Mary died quickly from breast cancer when Paul was only 14 and his brother only 12.

John had been writing heavy poetry but had never put it to music until he met Paul and was really impressed that he was already writing his own songs and this inspired John to start writing his own soon after and of course we all know they thankfully never stopped.


And also this is how so many ignorant Beatles haters also inaccurately misperceive them and wrongly disparage them and dismiss them as a ''boy band''.And they were a brilliant,creative,diverse,prolfic rock band,the most ever.True boy bands should be dismissed,looked down on,and hated as uncool,not rocking,and untalented! And boy bands aren't good musicians and The Beatles were all very good musicians in fact most boy bands don't even play their own instruments and write their own songs.

And as many people,The All Music Guide and many  well known respected successful rock and other music artists  including Bob Dylan have rightfully said that Paul and John were among the two greatest singers in rock both with great voices.And Brian Wilson,Elton John,classical composer Leonard Bernstein and many others have also rightfully called Paul and John the greatest song writers of the 20th century.

Im very taken with this book..

I now want the extended version to read the whole thing again (and more)

The Beatles have been my main musical passion since I was 11 and thought Ive never thought much of previous books that have been written (and even poured scorn on them) I have to admit that Mark Lewisohn is THE man when it comes to The Beatles.
He is on a different planet to the other celebrated authors.

The whole intricate story of how they came to be is here, the metamorphosis from hard nosed scruffy rockers to clean well dressed little girls boy band.....the angst of all that for Lennon the rebel, but the overriding desire for fame and fortune, its a great story, a fantastic story.

A great film maybe ?  (a huge project in 3 parts).... maybe the McCartney children and grandchildren will end up richer than Paul

Meanwhile, all hail Mark - another genius in the Beatle story.

Hi everyone,

I haven't been on here for a couple of years,well I mean I haven't posted on here since then but I have still read the forums every now and then.One thing I really hate and don't want to do at all is argue with fellow Beatles fans.But I have to say the surprising puzzling  ??? :ocomment you made about how The Beatles metamorphosis from hard nosed scruffy rockers to clean well dressed little girls ''boy band'',is totally untrue! It doesn't matter that Brian Epstein created their fake joke cleaned up image,The Beatles were *never* a true ''boy band'' not even for a half of a second,they didn't even play one on TV.They were still a great rock n roll and pop rock band.

Many people have rightfully correctly pointed out that The Monkees were the first true boy band because even though they were all musical,they weren't playing together since they were teenagers like John 16 with Paul 15 and George 14,and then working their a*ses of playing 8 hours a night in the sleazy strip clubs of Hamburg for 2 years having to take speed pilss to stay awake to do it,and then playing successfuly also at The Cavern club for several years.The Monkees were hired as actors specifically to play a pop rock band for their TV show,not that they weren't good.

But as a poster ReverendRock who is a reverend,rock musician and a big Beatles fan so accurately pointed out on a classic rock site over 10 years ago,that anyone who knows The Beatles history knows it's totally ludicrous to even suggest such a thing!

And The Beatles wrote many very good and great rock n roll songs and ironically were the most wild during their fake cleaned up image while they were touring from 1963-1966,going to bed with *tons* of young women groupies,many who were under age teen girls.

And also John and Paul as I'm sure most fans on here already know,wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits the rock n roll song I Wanna Be You're Man in 1963 and they wrote it right in front of keith Richards and Mick Jagger who were really impressed that they could just write a hit song just like that,and it inspired them to start writing their own songs and it began the years of friendship between the two groups.

Also John and Paul were already writing hits for other music artists as early as 1963 just when their own song writing success was taking off.And Paul was writing songs before John,a year before he met him, when he was only 14(and he became obsessed with playing the guitar then too) after his beloved intelligent,pretty and kind nurse mid wife mother Mary died quickly from breast cancer when Paul was only 14 and his brother only 12.

John had been writing heavy poetry but had never put it to music until he met Paul and was really impressed that he was already writing his own songs and this inspired John to start writing his own soon after and of course we all know they thankfully never stopped.


And also this is how so many ignorant Beatles haters also inaccurately misperceive them and wrongly disparage them and dismiss them as a ''boy band''.And they were a brilliant,creative,diverse,prolfic rock band,the most ever.True boy bands should be dismissed,looked down on,and hated as uncool,not rocking,and untalented! And boy bands aren't good musicians and The Beatles were all very good musicians in fact most boy bands don't even play their own instruments and write their own songs.


 
The Beatles as we know, revolutionized popular and rock music and were very innovative,prolific and creative,more than any other group. And their great timeless songs are the most covered in music history by everyone from jazz musicians,classical,Motown,rock,pop and even heavy metal recording and playing their great timeless music.


Many academic musicologists and music scholars have done serious studies,analyses and praise of their great timeless music,like university of Penn gradutate musicologist Alan W.Pollack who did an extensive 11 year detailed analysis of every Beatles song.He says he hadn't even listened to The Beatles in 20 years until they came out on CD for the first time in 1987.He said The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn was one of the things that motivated him to do his Beatles study.He demonstrates that even though a lot of their lyrics were simple in most of their really early songs,most of their music wasn't and that a lot of their early songs have as many as 9 chords and interesting and unsual arangements.Paul's great rocker,You Never Give Me You're Money on their excellent amazingly modern sounding rock album,Abbey Road has 21 chords.



And university of Michigan music professor and musician Walter Everett who wrote the 2 volume,The Beatles As Musicians:The Quarry Men Through Rubber Soul and The Beatles As Musicians:Revolver Through Anthology.And British musicologist and classical composer and music professor (who is dead now)Willifred Mellers 1973 book,Twilight Of The Gods:The Music Of The Beatles,and he also wrote about Beethoven,Mozart and Bob Dylan.


And award winning music professor Dr.Glen Gass who has been teaching a course on what brilliant composers The Beatles were and a rock music course at Indiana University School Of Music since 1982.Dr.Gary Kendal's Beatles course is the most requested at North Western university ,university of California also has one and Oxford university had a recent Beatles course.


How many serious music scholars and award winning music professors are teaching and writing serious academic works studying and prasing what "brilliant" composers The Rolling Stones or any other rock bands were?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 11:28:17 AM
 
 
Also  there is  an  online  interview with  Roger Daltry,Roger's Journey With The Who in The Sun and he was asked if The Who had screaming girls at a certain point,and he said after Can't Explain they did. He said it was the screaming teenage era and every band had them on their way up.He said it was fun at first but the trouble for a performer when you are that young and  inexperienced is  that you start to judge your performances on the amount they scream,he said it's  nonsense which is  why Lennon gave up. He also  said that The Who's  manager turned their image overnight from scruffy rockers  to  Mods.
 
 
 
If  you still insist the  false ludicrous claim that The  early Beatles were ever a "boy band" then you are just further  proving your ignorance.When The Beatles played live in 1963,64,65 & 66 they only had 100 watt amplifiers,no feedback monitors so they couldn't hear themselves sing and play,plus the screaming crowds and that's why they gave up touring.
 

George Harrison says in The Beatles Anthology video series,that for their August 1965  Shea Stadium concerts, special 100 watt  amplifiers were made and that they went up from only 30 watts before. Given how limited and primitive the sound systems were then,it's amazing they sounded as good as they did live.
 

Former  Kiss  guitarist  Bob Kulick  who produced the heavy metal album Butchering The Beatles, said he saw The Beatles in concert in 1966 and he said he could hear parts of Baby's In Black & Paperback Writer and  they sounded amazing.
 
 
 
A guy Steve from Canada said on Artist Facts,that he saw The Beatles live in 1966 and The Stones in 1996(and the sound systems by then were  a zillion times better!) and he said don't get me wrong,The Stones were great but they were no match for The Beatles and he called The Beatles The Greatest  Band  Of All Time.
 
 

And a  guy said  on a message board in September, said that he too once wrongly believed that  the  early Beatles were  a boy band like The Back Street Boys,until he got out of  7th grade.The Beatles started out playing  8 hours a night in the sleazy strip clubs of Hamburg Germany,taking speed pills to stay awake,wearing tight black leather jackets and pants,smoking and cursing on stage,and had sex with so many young women groupies including the strippers in those clubs,they were successful there. They also played successfully in the Liverpool Cavern Club for years.
 
 

Even  many  fans of The Rolling Stones  who are also Beatles fans, said on several Rolling Stones message boards,and Beatles fans said this on Beatles fan boards,that THe Beatles cleaned up image was a total fake one created by their manager,and that they know that  The Beatles were just as wild as The Stones with sex and drugs in their personal lives and were friends who hung out together.
 
There used  to be an online interview with Charlie Watts from a 1973 Magazine called,Zig Zag  called,The Drinking Man's Rolling Stone. He says that The Beatles and The Rolling Stones were good friends,and that they were a lot alike as people. He also said what made The Beatles so great is that they made one great album and one great single after the next.
 
 
 
And  I  don't want  to  be  on  bad terms with anyone on here, and  I'm not trying to bother anybody ,but  I  really  am  just trying  to  debunk this totally inaccurate ridiculous unfortunately common  myth that  The Beatles were ever  a  boy band,they were  a  great *ROCK n ROLL* band  from the start!
 

John and George especially hated Beatle Mania,and George says in The Anthology series,that it took a toll on their nervous systems,they had no  life either  trapped in hotel rooms most of the time. They wanted to be popular & successful as  every band does,but they didn't want or ask  for  the hysteria.John says in his 1975 Tomorrow Show interview that the screaming wasn't doing the music any good,and that things would break down and nobody would know.
 
 
 
The  Beatles  sound great  on  their live roof top January 1969  concert  in The Let It Be Film, and the  sound systems had improved by then,(although still very limited compared to today's) and there were  no more screaming crowds.
 
 
Paul  was  playing guitar and writing songs at 14 and he started  soon after  his beloved nurse and midwife  mother Mary died of breast cancer,and he wrote the beautiful song Let It  Be after he  had  a  real seeming dream where he saw her alive again and she told him to just accept things as they are.He says in his authorized biography,that when he woke up he thought how great it was to see her alive again.
 
 
John was writing deep  heavy poetry when he was a kid,and he started writing his own songs at age 17 not long after he met Paul and was impressed that was writing his own songs. Paul wrote the very pretty song,I'll Follow The Sun at age 16. They didn't know at this age they would make it big and they weren't making a penny from it then.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 11:29:54 AM
I haven't read this book Tune In yet,but I have read all of the over 200 mostly great reviews for it on Amazon.com US and now the reviews on amazon.UK And quite a few people have said that Mark dispels the ''myth'' that when John was only 5 years old his parents forced him to choose which parent he was going to live with.Johh even dealt with this trauma in his primal scream therapy with psychologist Arthur Janov.
 
 
And in Ray Coleman's excellent up dated John Lennon biography,Lennon(Ray was an award wining music journalist and former editor of The Melody Maker Magazine and a good friend of John's from 1962-1980) in his 1992 introduction on page 40 he quotes John's father's then much younger wife Pauline Lennon from her book,Daddy Come Home:The True Story of John Lennon and His Father who came to see John with his father on John's 30th birthday.She says that John confronted his father in a rage and this is part of what he said,''Look at me! I'm bloody insane.I'm due for an early death like Hendrix or Joplin and it's all your fault.John then said,''Do you know what it does to a child to be asked to choose between his parents? Do you know how it tears him apart,blows his bloody mind?''
 
 
Ray says that her book is unnervingly and surprisingly strong with verbatim reports of electrifying conversations and he says there is even the precise exchange when John called his father from New York  when his father was on his death bed in a hospital in Brighton in 1976 and that John said to him,''I'm sorry to have treated you the way I did Dad. I should never have gone to the head shrink.It was a big mistake.And his father Freddy said to him,forget it John it's just bloody marvelous to talk to you again.Wikipedia reports that John sent his father a big bouquet of flowers to the hospital.
 
 
 Also,in January of 1972 when John and Yoko co-hosted the Mike Douglas show for a week,in one of the shows Mike said to John and Yoko,You're both so different,you had such different childhoods. John said,it's incredible isn't it? Yoko said,Yes! Mike asked,What do you think has attracted you to each other? Yoko said,We're very similar.John then said,She came from a Japanese upper-middle class family.Her parents were bankers and all that jazz,very straight.He said they were trying to get her off with an ambassador when she was 18.You know,now is the time you marry the ambassador and we get all settled. I come from a an upper-working class family in Liverpool,the other end of the world. John then said,we met but our minds are so similar,our ideas are so similar.It was incredible that we could be so alike from different enviornments,and I don't know what it is,but we're very similar in our heads.And we look alike too!
 

 
Mike also asked John about his painful childhood,and how his father left him when he was 5,and John said how he only came back into his life when he was successful and famous(20 years later!),and John said he knew that I was living all those years in the same house with my auntie,but he never visited him.He said when he came back into his life all those years later,he looked after his father for the same amount of time he looked after him,about 4 years.


He also talked about how his beloved mother Julia,who encouraged his music by teaching him to play the banjo,got hit and killed by a car driven by an off duty drunk cop when John was only 17 and just getting to have a realtionship with her after she had given him away to be raised by her older sister Mimi when he was 5.


And John also said,And in spite of all that,I still don't have a hate-the-pigs attitude or hate-cops attitude.He then said, I think everybody's human you know,but it was very hard for me at that time,and I really had a chip on my shoulder,and it still comes out now and then,because it's a strange life to lead .He then said,But in general ah,I've got my own family now ...I got Yoko and she made up for all that pain.

 

John's psychologist Dr. Arthur Janov told Mojo Magazine in 2000( parts of this interview is on a great UK John Lennon fan site,You Are The Plastic Ono Band) that John had as much pain as he had ever seen in his life,and he was a psychologist for at least 18 years when John and Yoko saw him in 1970! He said John was a very dedicated patient. He also said that John left therapy too early though and that they opened him up,but didn't get a chance to put him back together again and Dr. Janov told John he need to finish the therapy,he said because of the immigration services and he thought Nixon was after him,he said we have to get out of the country.John asked if he could send a therapist to Mexico with him,and Dr. Janov told him we can't do that because they had too many patients to take care of,and he said they cut the therapy off just as it started really,and we were just getting going.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on June 01, 2014, 12:01:45 PM
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If  you still insist the  false ludicrous claim that The  early Beatles were ever a "boy band" then you are just further  proving your ignorance

Hi fanofthefab4

Its a pity you didn't just pm me about my remark, I could have saved you typing those last two mega posts..

I used the term 'boy band' only in an explicative way, using the modern idiom of the term to magnify the change or metamorphosis of the band, an analogy of sorts, if you like, I didn't imagine anyone would take that comment literally.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 12:35:12 PM
Hi  :),

I actully didn't mean to call you ignorant,(although it is ignorant for anyone to seriously inaccurately believe that The Beatles were ever a ''boy band'') I actually had cut and pasted from my email filing cabinet(without seeing that this specific line was included here) what I wrote on other message boards where people were literally saying they ludicrously,foolishly, actually believe that The Beatles were a true boy band like NSYNC,The Back Street Boys,etc and now this ridiculous Jonas Brothers comparison.


But anyway,I want to share what I wrote with all of the Beatles fans on here,not just in a PM to you.Thank you for answering and explaining what you meant.

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 12:51:51 PM
Also,

http://www.eonline.com/news/35092/quiet-beatle-disses-oasis-spice-girls (http://www.eonline.com/news/35092/quiet-beatle-disses-oasis-spice-girls)

In a 1997 interview George Harrison blasted The Spice Girls,(the girl equivalent of a true boy band) as having no talent unlike The Beatles and for some strange reason he put genuine rock bands Oasis and U2(who ironically are both big Beatles fans especially Liam and Bono and despite George's insult Bono was in a tribute to George on a cable show soon after he died,it might have been MTV or VH1) in this same category and said he didn't think any of them would be remembered in 30 years.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on June 01, 2014, 12:58:41 PM
Also,

[url]http://www.eonline.com/news/35092/quiet-beatle-disses-oasis-spice-girls[/url] ([url]http://www.eonline.com/news/35092/quiet-beatle-disses-oasis-spice-girls[/url])

In a 1997 interview George Harrison blasted The Spice girls,(the girl equivalent of a true boy band) as having no talent unlike The Beatles and for some strange reason he put genuine rock bands Oasis and U2 in this same category and said he didn't think any of them would be remembered in 30 years.


George is also quoted as saying "We were the Spice Boys".

George, like John could sometimes say things a bit facetiously and it can be hard to know when to take what he said at face value.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 01:31:17 PM
George is also quoted as saying "We were the Spice Boys".

George, like John could sometimes say things a bit facetiously and it can be hard to know when to take what he said at face value.

I really doubt that George ever said that.And if you know how ludicrous it is to even consider that The Beatles,who were a true great rock band,were ever a ''boy band'' how can you even belive he said such a ridiculous thing,and even if he did, not see how ludicrous ,inaccurate and hypocritical it was.But  I seriously doubt he meant that in even the slightest way at all.And when and where did George supposedly say such  ludicrous inaccurate nonsense?Do you really think he truly ludicrously believed that The Spice Girls wrote tons if any great creative,prolific,diverse, timeless critically acclaimed serious music,were great musicians and singers like The Beatles were?

For decades people kept repeating the also ridiculous line of John supposedly saying when asked if Ringo was the best drummer in the world ,that he's not even the best drummer in The Beatles.I always knew that John never would or did say this,and nobody ever listed when and where he supposedely said this.

Well it turns out Mark Lewisohn uncovered that's because it was a myth and John never said it at all,a comedian in 1983,three years after John died said it!

In fact on the great UK John Lennon fan site,You Are The Plastic Ono Band there are interviews with John in magazines and news papers all through the years and in a 1971 interview in the New York ST.Regis hotel John was asked about Ringo's drumming and John said that Jim Keltner is a bit more technical,but he said Ringo is still one of the best drummers in rock.

And who did John use as a drummer on his first true great solo album John Lennon Plastic Ono Band,Ringo when almost any drummer would have jumped at the chance to play on John Lennon's albums!


I'm sure George meant what he said about The Spice Girls(which is totally true!),Oasis and U2 though.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 01:48:24 PM
Also,

a few years ago on some site where they were discussing different definitions of things some ignorant idiot said The Beatles were a boy band,so a guy sited a real definition of a true boy band and he rightfully said that The Beatles *were not* a ''boy band'' and he also so rightfully said that it's an insult to call them that!

The truth is it's not only a ludicrous,nonsense,inaccurate,ignorant and insult to The Beatles,but to any of their many many fans over the age of 12!When I was like 9 I liked The Bay City Rollers,The Partrige Family as well as The Beatles,but by the time I was 12 I didn't like them anymore but I loved the Beatles more than ever and I knew the total difference between them and The Beatles as a genuine great rock band.

Not only did it never ludicrously occur to me to ever think of The Beatles as a ''boy band'',but it never occurred to me that it would ever have occurred to anybody else either!

Also many years ago a guy so rightfully said in response to another of the all too ridiculous common nonsense ignorant claims that The Beatles were ever a ''boy band'',that The Beatles were *Never* a boy band not even during their 1963-1965 period! And on another site a guy said he too had once (wrongly)  believed that The Beatles were a boy band like NSYNC and The Back Street Boys,until he got out of 7th grade.

And I have also *never* read or heard any serious respected rock music critics or respected successful well known musicians refer to them that way.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 02:18:58 PM
Hi fanofthefab4

Its a pity you didn't just pm me about my remark, I could have saved you typing those last two mega posts..

I used the term 'boy band' only in an explicative way, using the modern idiom of the term to magnify the change or metamorphosis of the band, an analogy of sorts, if you like, I didn't imagine anyone would take that comment literally.

Sorry,but it really doesn't make any sense what you said about how you used the modern idiom(which is what true modern boy bands are)of the term to magnify the change or metamorphosis of The Beatles,so you are without either realizing or admitting it,saying they became a 1960's version of the modern boy band. roll:) :o ???  >:(
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 02:46:42 PM
Also,

a few years ago on some site where they were discussing different definitions of things some ignorant idiot said The Beatles were a boy band,so a guy sited a real definition of a true boy band and he rightfully said that The Beatles *were not* a ''boy band'' and he also so rightfully said that it's an insult to call them that!

The truth is it's not only a ludicrous,nonsense,inaccurate,ignorant and insult to The Beatles,but to any of their many many fans over the age of 12!When I was like 9 I liked The Bay City Rollers,The Partrige Family as well as The Beatles,but by the time I was 12 I didn't like them anymore but I loved the Beatles more than ever and I knew the total difference between them and The Beatles as a genuine great rock band.

Not only did it never ludicrously occur to me to ever think of The Beatles as a ''boy band'',but it never occurred to me that it would ever have occurred to anybody else either!

Also many years ago a guy so rightfully said in response to another of the all too ridiculous common nonsense ignorant claims that The Beatles were ever a ''boy band'',that The Beatles were *Never* a boy band not even during their 1963-1965 period! And on another site a guy said he too had once (wrongly)  believed that The Beatles were a boy band like NSYNC and The Back Street Boys,until he got out of 7th grade.

And I have also *never* read or heard any serious respected rock music critics or respected successful well known musicians refer to them that way.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 02:51:11 PM
 
Also there was no good rocking music out in 1963 and early 1964 when The Beatles wrote and released I Want To Hold Your Hand and She Loves you etc and they started to record their first great album,A Hard Day's Night in January 1964,The Rolling Stones were still playing cover songs,including as I and another poster pointed out, one of their first hits written by John and Paul,I Wanna Be You're Man,and the artists who were out then were,The Four Seasons,Bobby Darin,Bobby vinton,and The Beach Boys who wrote all beach surfing hits,none of this was rocking,until The Beatles songs which were ahead of their time for the times,different and more rocking than anything then!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 02:54:05 PM
 
Bob Dylan ,Roger McGuinn of The Byrds and music critic William Mann of The London Times as early as 1963 and 1964 pointed out that even in early Beatles songs like She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand had unusual and interesting chords and they arranged them.


And as early as late 1963 a music critic Richard Buckle in The London Times called John and Paul the two of the most briliant composers since Beethoven after John and Paul composed the music for a ballet Mods and Rockers.
And John and Paul wrote one of The Rolling Stones first hits, I Wanna Be Your Man in late 1963 right in front of them. And Keith Richards and Mick Jagger were impressed and said wow,how can you write a song just like that and it inspired them to start writing their own songs.


John Lennon and Paul McCartney were such amazingly talented singer song writers that they were already writing hit songs for other artists as early as 1963 when their own song writing success was getting off the ground,besides The Rolling Stones,they also wrote hit songs in 1963 for Billy J.Krammer and The Dakatos,Celia Black,and Peter and Gordon etc.


Paul wrote his first song at age 14 and was playing guitar,John wrote heavy deep poetry but didn't start writing songs until he met Paul and was impressed that he wrote his own songs,and he too started to write his own songs at age 17,and they wrote together and never stopped from then on.Paul wrote the very pretty song I'll Follow The Sun at only 16!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 02:56:17 PM
 
And in an excellent Beatles book Ticket To Ride by Denny Somach where so many other well known popular respected rock musicians and artists are interviewed about The Beatles praising them including Jimmy Page,Brian Wilson who says he's always loved The Beatles. And Brian Wilson called John & Paul the greatest song writers of the 20th century on a 1995 Nightline Beatles tribute show,(which had on music artists from every type of music,a young black jazz musician,a middle aged black opera singer,Steve Winwood,Meatloaf,and classical violnist Isak Perleman,who said he plays his children Bach,Beethoven Mozart and The Beatles)and he played With A Little Help From My Friends on the piano and he said he just loves this song. He also said that Sgt.Pepper is the greatest album he ever heard and The All Music Guide says in their Beach Boys biography,that Brian had a nerveous breakdown after he heard it. Brian also said that when he first heard The Beatles brilliant 1965 folk rock album Rubber Soul he was blown away by it.He said all of the songs flowed together and it was pop music but folk rock at the same time and he couldn't believe they did this so great,this inspired him to make Pet Sounds.



John Lodge and Justin of The Moody Blues are interviewed in this book and Bill Wyman and Ron Wood says how The Rolling Stones became good friends with The Beatles in 1963 after John and Paul wrote 1 of their first hits,the Rock n Roll song,I Wanna Be You're Man.


Ron Wood was asked what his favorite Beatles songs and he said there are so many apart from the obvious like Strawberry Fields I Want To Hold Your Hand is one he said he used to like a lot ,and he said he really loved We Can Work It Out.He also says that The Beatles used to have a radio show every Friday where they played live and spoke and he would never miss an episode. He said infarct whoever has the rights to those shows should dig them up,because they are incredible.


Justin Hayward says that the album he always really loved ,and he said it was when they started experimenting with chord structures ,was A Hard Day's Night.He says they began to move away from the standard 3 chord thing and just went into more interesting structures .He said A Hard Day's Night was the album for him and their song If I Fell was the song.He said it started in a different key to how it ended up,and it's a beautifully worked out song and that there are some songs on that album that were very emotional and evocative. He said that for everybody just starting to write songs as he was,it was a real turn on and eye opener.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 02:59:02 PM
 
As The All Music Guide says in their excellent Beatles biography "That it's difficult to summarize their career without restating cliches that have already been digested by tens of millions of rock fans, to start with the obvious,they were the greatest and most influential act of the rock era and introduced more innovations into popular music than any other rock band of the 20th century."



"Moreover they were among the few artists of *any* discipline that were simultaneously the best at what they did *and* the most popular at what they did." THey also say as singers John Lennon and Paul McCartney were among the best and most expressive in rock.


Also on an excellent site,The Evolution of Rock Bass Playing McCartney Style by Dennnis Alstrand,Stanley Clarke,Sting,Will Lee,Billy Sheehan,George Martin and John Lennon are quoted saying what a great,melodic and influential bass player Paul has always been.



And Wilco's John Stirratt was asked in Bass Player which bass players have had the most impact on his playing and the first thing he said was, Paul McCartney is one of the greatest bass players of all time,if you listen to what he was tracking live in the studio it's unbelievable." "With his tone and musicality he was a huge influence,he covered all of his harmonic responsibilities really well but his baselines were absolutely melodic and inventive."



And in an online 1977 Eric Clapton interview,Eric Clapton In His Own Words he says that there was always this guitar game between John and George,and he said partly because John was a pretty good guitar player himself.He played live with John as a member of John's 1969 Plastic Ono Band.


And there is a great online article by musician and song writer Peter Cross,The Beatles Are The Most Creative Band Of All Time and he says that many musicians besides him recognize Paul as one of the best bass guitar players ever.He too says that John and Paul are the greatest song composers and that to say that John and Paul are among 2 of the greatest singers in rock and roll is to state the obvious,and that John,Paul and George were all excellent guitarists and that George is underrated by people not educated about music but that Eric Clapton knew better,he also says that both John and Paul played great leads as well as innovative rhythm tracks.



John Lennon co-wrote,sang and played guitar on one of David Bowie's first hits Fame in 1975 and David invited John to play guitar on his version of John's beautiful Beatles song Across The Universe.Brain May,Ozzy Osbourne,and Liam Gallagher and many more call The Beatles The Greatest Band Ever.



Also on MusicRadar Tom Petty,Joe Perry and Richie Sambora in What The Beatles Mean To Me all say how cool and great they thought The Beatles were when they first saw them on The Ed Sullivan Show in February 1964 when they were just teen boys,Richie was only 5.Tom Petty said he thought they were really really great.

Robin Zander of Cheap Trick said he's probably one of the biggest Beatles fans on the planet.Brad Whitford of Aerosmith said that a lot of that Beatles influence comes from Steven Tyler's collaborartion with Mark Hudson both whom are absolute Beatles freaks and he said I guess the goal is to try and emulate probably some of the best music of the last 50 years which has to be The Beatles.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 03:00:47 PM
 
As The Rolling Stone Album Guide said,not liking The Beatles is as perverse as not liking the sun. And Ozzy Osbourne said not loving The Beatles is like not loving oxogen. And a guy who runs Keno's Classic Rock n Roll Site and who runs a Rolling Stones and John Lennon fan site says in his review of The Beatles 1967-1970 Red Album damn The Beatles were one great group and he said in his great review of The Beatles 1962-1966 Red album, that if you don't love or at least like The Beatles and their music then you are not a true rock fan and more than likely will never ever get it.


He also says that John Lennon showed on Paul's rocker Get Back why he should have played lead guitar more often because he did such a good job of it. He also said he played a pretty good slide guitar on George's For Your Blue and he said John also played one of the first and best acid guitar parts on his great rocker Revolution.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: fanofthefab4 on June 01, 2014, 03:03:15 PM
 
I have to say that Brian Epstein was very lucky as was George Martin to have the brilliant singer song composers John Lennon and Paul McCartney as their employees and clients! It would be any group manager's and producer's dream.


I'm sure that John and Paul and probably George too would have been discovered by someone else sooner or later.George Martin before becoming The Beatles producer,had some success producing comedy and some classical records,but he never had the big success before or after producing The Beatles and he produced quite a few music artists after them.


He himself has said that he has never known or worked with *any* other music artists as brilliant as The Beatles.And Brian Epstein would have stayed a manager of a record store in England that hardly anybody ever heard of.


By the way,my maternal grandmother's good friend for years was Brian Epstein's first cousin Sylvia Levy,and I met her when I was 15.She had been living in this country for decades yet she still had a very obvious Liverpool accent.She told me what I already had learned from my Beatles books,that Brian was very depressed and had emotional problems.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on June 02, 2014, 02:51:22 AM
Sorry,but it really doesn't make any sense what you said about how you used the modern idiom(which is what true modern boy bands are)of the term to magnify the change or metamorphosis of The Beatles,so you are without either realizing or admitting it,saying they became a 1960's version of the modern boy band. roll:) :o ???  >:(

ok, forget I used the term 'boy band' & replace it with 'clean cut & popular mop tops'...as I have tried to explain, it wasn't meant literally.

what ever you want to call them theyre act was cleaned up (so were there stage manners) to appeal to the audience they did appeal too on a massive scale ie teenage girls and theyre Beatlemania.

I don't think they were a boy band.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on June 02, 2014, 05:40:40 AM
George is also quoted as saying "We were the Spice Boys".

George, like John could sometimes say things a bit facetiously and it can be hard to know when to take what he said at face value.

Quote from: fanofthefab4
And when and where did George supposedly say such  ludicrous inaccurate nonsense?

He said it in response to a comment made by Ravi Shankar regarding the The Beatles' popularity. It can be found in the book: Glass Onion: The Beatles in Their Own Words. It's on page 190.

I'm quite certain George said it in a tongue-in-cheek way. He had a great sense of humor!

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on June 02, 2014, 07:06:33 AM
He said it in response to a comment made by Ravi Shankar regarding the The Beatles' popularity. It can be found here in this book: Glass Onion: The Beatles in Their Own Words ([url]http://books.google.com/books?id=EMGM5GkGIZkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=glass+onion&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ugOMU-67GMW3sATd-ICADA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=glass%20onion&f=false[/url]) It's on page 190, almost at the end.

I'm quite certain George said it in a tongue-in-cheek way. He was just being funny, in much the same way he was here in  "All You Need is Cash":
@ :51

[url]http://youtu.be/QECizI13ZOM[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/QECizI13ZOM[/url])

George had a great sense of humor!


It's also emblazoned on a quote wall in the Beatles Museum in Liverpool. Of course he was saying it with a smirk. That was George.

In any case fanofthefab4 you're really preaching , at great length, to the choir here. No one here really thinks the Beatles were a boy band as we understand the term today. I doubt if that view was held we'd waste our time picking over their music to the extent we do.

But the music scene in the early 60s wasn't what it is today. Young teenagers weren't catered for as a separate entity to be marketed to like they are now.  They largely listened to what their parents listened to (probably with a bored expression in most cases). So when you did get a fresh act which featured cute guys with catchy tunes then naturally teenage girls would latch on quickly, whatever the additional qualities of the music were. And as we all here think, in the Beatles  case, even in their earliest stages, there was musically a lot going on.

With aggressive marketing of acts to this demographic in today's world, it's natural  that some of the elements that made the Beatles popular are represented in the boy bands of today. Mainly a catchy energy to the songs and a general boyish cuteness. That was, of course, only a fraction of what made the Beatles what they were  and therein lies the extremely large difference between them and what is marketed to teenage girls today.




Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Pothos on July 09, 2014, 05:24:08 PM
Mark Lewisohn was on BBc 6 music's Radcliffe and Maconie show this afternoon. He appears about 1 hour 35 mins into the show.

Here is the link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048s47f (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048s47f)

Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on July 09, 2014, 08:39:06 PM
Mark Lewisohn was on BBc 6 music's Radcliffe and Maconie show this afternoon. He appears about 1 hour 35 mins into the show.

Here is the link.

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048s47f[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b048s47f[/url])


Thanks Pothos!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Pothos on July 10, 2014, 04:25:18 PM
You're welcome. Did the link work ok.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on July 10, 2014, 10:53:47 PM
You're welcome. Did the link work ok.

Yes mate it worked fine here in Oz   ;)

Many thanks for posting that
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on October 03, 2014, 06:35:27 PM
A tweet from Mark Lewisohn on September 29th: "Vol 2 still on track for 2020, with vast amount of research still to be done."
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on October 03, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
In six years the Beatles change the world ... and Lewisohn writes a book.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on December 02, 2014, 02:02:25 PM
It's a long wait, isn't it? When is part 3 expected?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: KEROUAC on December 02, 2014, 04:55:51 PM
I'm reading the standard version and think it's great. I'm just up to 1958. I found the death of Julia incredibly sad and with so much detail.

I read the Daily Mail review here
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/event/article-2452115/Craig-Brown-reviews-new-Beatles-book-The-Fab-snore.html)
which implies it is boring and asks ....
Quote
"You may well want to know that George Harrison’s first car was a Ford Anglia. Fair enough.
But do you need to know that it was a second-hand, two-door, blue Ford Anglia 105E Deluxe, bought by George from Brian Epstein’s friend Terry Doran who worked at a dealership in Warrington?"


To us die hard Beatles fans the answer is a definite yes. The more details the better. The article fails to grasp that the fine details have been raked over and over for decades so any new piece of information however small is like gold dust. I could happily read the extended version to get more of those minute details.  I can understand someone with only a passing interest might find it hard going.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: KEROUAC on January 13, 2015, 04:08:42 PM
Just another note as I'm still reading this. Something just occurred to me. I wonder if Paul switching to bass was a tactical move to ensure Stu didn't get back in the band? The only reason I mention it is I saw a pic of Stu on stage with The Beatles a few months after they'd returned from Hamburg and Paul has already taken the bass role by converting a guitar. Lewisohn mentions how much Paul disliked Stu and was probably jealous of his closeness to John. He'd also been demoted in the pecking order. At this stage Paul couldn't have been sure that Stu wouldn't have left Hamburg for good and wanted his old job back.

The pic is here.   http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.02.12%20casbah/61.02.12casbah.html (http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1961/61.02.12%20casbah/61.02.12casbah.html)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on January 13, 2015, 07:40:45 PM
The matter on Stu's playing has been and will always be a matter of discussion I'm afraid. Lewisohn states that Stu was hardly into playing the bass at all. He played with the Beatles during to long nights during their first visit to Hamburg in the autumn of 1960, but did not return home with them directly. I'm not exactly sure when Stu returned to Liverpool, but in the meantime Chas Newby played with them on a few gigs and although Paul's Rosetti has three strings and looks like a bass, it is also stated that he just mimed most of the times. In those early days of 1961, when The Beatles where really taking off, it was just Pete's drums, Johns and Georges guitar and their vocals. No bass at all, as Pauls Rosetti was almost falling apart. They quickly returned to Hamburg to play at The Top Ten and Paul was either at the piano or at the microphone. Stuart was playing the bass then. Though Stu stayed and played with them till July 1st, when The Beatles returned to Liverpool, Stu did not come back with them and it was obvious someone had to pick up the bass. Lewisohn states that Paul bought his Hofner somewhere mid-June 1961.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on January 16, 2015, 09:51:23 PM
I'm rereading bits of this book on holiday. I love the detailed machinations and still uncertainties about the Decca incident. Always more complicated than legend has it. Lewisohn's analysis is cute too. Rowe spent more money taking Brian out to lunch to tell him they were rejecting the Beatles than it would have cost to simply sign them and give them a go.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on January 17, 2015, 05:51:16 PM
Lewisohn's analysis is cute too. Rowe spent more money taking Brian out to lunch to tell him they were rejecting the Beatles than it would have cost to simply sign them and give them a go.

I know what you mean! I got a kick out of that too.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 02, 2015, 10:40:59 AM
From Wogblog

 Mark Lewisohn about the upcoming volumes
Renowned Beatles author Mark Lewisohn was a guest at Beatleweek in Liverpool this year, and had a session called "Ask Mark", a revival from his Beatle Week sessions in the eighties. Here, he discussed not only volume one, "Tune in" of his Beatles biography trilogy in the making, but also revealed a bit about the two upcoming volumes.

As a matter of fact, the first question posed was "How's book two coming along?". Lewisohn is still thinking that volume two will come out in 2020. He is still researching, and writing hasn't started. There is already enough material to write a substantial volume two, which he could start writing right away, but he hasn't yet turned every stone, and wants to be absolutely correct before he starts the writing process.  And he says that he is discovering something new almost on a daily basis, so it does indeed look as if there's still a lot of unturned stones. Volume two will be completely different from what he first imagined it would be, and he still has no title of volumes two and three.

One of the interesting questions put to Lewisohn at the very end of the Q&A session was why the Beatles took such a long break exactly 50 years ago. Returning from their American tour on September 1st, 1965, collectively The Beatles did nothing for six weeks, which did make the creative process of writing and recording "Rubber Soul" in time for the Christmas market a difficult and rushed one. Lewisohn had no firm answer to this, but let it be known that the times when they went out of the public eye were as interesting as the rest of their story. This is one of the reasons why further research is needed before the writing of volume two can commence.

New material, stories and people from the period covered in volume one, "Tune In" has turned up after it's publication, but will not be included in the upcoming paperback edition of that book. Lewisohn says that it will be used in some way, but is still not sure how and when.

The people whose lives we have been following in "Tune in" will also be featured in the upcoming volumes. We are talking about the people who were left behind, people like Allan Williams, Bob Wooler, Rory Storm, Pete and Mona Best etc. As their lives were still influenced by the Beatles and their success, we will get to see what happened to them along the way.

Fortunately, someone recorded the Q&A session and put it up on YouTube:

https://youtu.be/8S-4wa2UYsE (https://youtu.be/8S-4wa2UYsE)

https://youtu.be/cz4yI1h5Lw4 (https://youtu.be/cz4yI1h5Lw4)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on September 02, 2015, 03:58:39 PM
Thanks Bobber, that's great.

Coincidentally I was on another site talking about the Cow Palace show in San Francisico in 1965. It was a pretty frantic affair even by Beatle standards. Some guy got up on stage and knocked off John's cap and then threw himself legs first into the crowd. In photos the stage looks like a battle area with stuff all over it and of course there are girls being handed up to be evacuated - but they really look to be in a bad way.

Then I noticed that as you say the Beatles had long a break after this concert which was the last of the tour. Maybe they were already thinking of giving up touring. It wouldn't be surprising! Six weeks would be an eternity in those days for the Beatles to be out of the public eye.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on September 03, 2015, 01:38:09 AM
This going to be a fantastic book!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 03, 2015, 07:22:48 AM
Really looking forward to this. But boy, it takes a lot of patience.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on September 03, 2015, 10:25:14 PM
Really looking forward to this. But boy, it takes a lot of patience.

Yeah. I've pretty much resigned myself to not being alive for volume three. Volume two maybe but volume three will be probably not be out before 2030 so I'll be going on for eighty.

Though to be honest I don't think Lewisohn will still be around either and so volume three will never be finished.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: nimrod on September 04, 2015, 12:36:41 AM
Yeah. I've pretty much resigned myself to not being alive for volume three. Volume two maybe but volume three will be probably not be out before 2030 so I'll be going on for eighty.

Though to be honest I don't think Lewisohn will still be around either and so volume three will never be finished.
 


80 is young, my Mother died 2 years ago aged 92, smoked for 50 years and never ate fruit

a broken hip killed here (well the surgery) otherwise she's still be here  ;D
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on September 04, 2015, 09:41:22 AM
  80 is young, my Mother died 2 years ago aged 92, smoked for 50 years and never ate fruit

a broken hip killed here (well the surgery) otherwise she's still be here  ;D

You're lucky. My father smoked a lot too. He died aged 66.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on September 04, 2015, 11:28:58 AM
Yeah. I've pretty much resigned myself to not being alive for volume three. Volume two maybe but volume three will be probably not be out before 2030 so I'll be going on for eighty.

Though to be honest I don't think Lewisohn will still be around either and so volume three will never be finished.

Well, this is the reason why I always thought that this significant task should have been given to a team of (serious and selected) Beatle historians instead of the poor shoulders of one man alone. 30 years (maybe more), it's really a gigantic work ! (and of course this has nothing to do with Mark's incontestable qualities to finish the task successfully).

But, as said Zipp, it is essentially a matter of timing. A good team of qualified Beatle historians (under the supervision of Mark Lewisohn of course) would perfectly do the job. And you would get the books much more earlier !

This practice is very current in the French University where many books are written by teams of good specialists (each one writing his own chapter or maybe more) under the direction of one or two professors. Of course, the whole work is regularly standardized so that there is no (or little) difference in the writing styles.

I sincerely think that would be a good solution for all.

Eric  ;)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 04, 2015, 12:41:02 PM
Well, this is the reason why I always thought that this significant task should have been given to a team of (serious and selected) Beatle historians instead of the poor shoulders of one man alone. 30 years (maybe more), it's really a gigantic work ! (and of course this has nothing to do with Mark's incontestable qualities to finish the task successfully).

But, as said Zipp, it is essentially a matter of timing. A good team of qualified Beatle historians (under the supervision of Mark Lewisohn of course) would perfectly do the job. And you would get the books much more earlier !

This practice is very current in the French University where many books are written by teams of good specialists (each one writing his own chapter or maybe more) under the direction of one or two professors. Of course, the whole work is regularly standardized so that there is no (or little) difference in the writing styles.

I sincerely think that would be a good solution for all.

Eric  ;)

I will have forgotten most of part 1 when part 2 comes out. Good to see you around, Eric. Have you got anything Beatles coming up bookwise?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on September 04, 2015, 05:19:55 PM
 
80 is young, my Mother died 2 years ago aged 92, smoked for 50 years and never ate fruit

Then I'll be just a kid at 67. But just to be sure I'm going to start smoking and stop eating fruit. Seriously, though, the smoking didn't do much for my dad or my brother's longevity. My dad was 66 and my brother 51 when they died.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Moogmodule on September 04, 2015, 10:14:18 PM
Then I'll be just a kid at 67. But just to be sure I'm going to start smoking and stop eating fruit. Seriously, though, the smoking didn't do much for my dad or my brother's longevity. My dad was 66 and my brother 51 when they died.

We have to thank Mark for giving us all something to live (long) for  ;)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on September 04, 2015, 10:56:03 PM
We have to thank Mark for giving us all something to live (long) for  ;)

Yeah. Maybe he can give us some tips for healthy living with his next book!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on September 12, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
I will have forgotten most of part 1 when part 2 comes out. Good to see you around, Eric. Have you got anything Beatles coming up bookwise?

Hi Cor,
Sorry for my late reply (hope you don't mind!). Yes, I'm sure that it would be a realistic solution for all because otherwise I'm afraid we will have to wait a lot of time to get the complete volumes. And I know what I'm talking about : As you know, I'm currently working (along with my friend Jean-Claude Hocquet) for years now on volume two of the book La France et les Beatles, and we are able to say that we discover previously unknown information almost everyday! The subject itself is absolutely gigantic and we definitely know now that we'll also have to revise entirely volume one - published in 2005 - which can be increased at least of 30% more new information. This is quite amazing! And I'm just talking about France, so you can easily imagine when the work is extended to other countries such as Great Britain, Sweden, Holland, USA, Canada, Japan, Italy, Spain, Hong-Kong, Manilla...
As we say in France, this could be a real "Tour de Force"!....
Within the next future we will open a special website dedicated to our new work and we will explain how the things will develop as far as our research is concerned. Useless to say that this is a very exciting and refreshing work!  ;)
PS : Both books will be published in French and English languages.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 12, 2015, 06:50:50 PM
No, I don't mind.  icon_cool  I'm glad you drop in every now and then to provide us with information.

Is there anything about Rory Storm and the Hurricanes (including Ringo) performing in France in the book as well?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Fact and Fiction 60-62 on September 13, 2015, 09:54:29 AM
No, I don't mind.  icon_cool  I'm glad you drop in every now and then to provide us with information.

Is there anything about Rory Storm and the Hurricanes (including Ringo) performing in France in the book as well?

Thanks, Bobber!  :)  Yes, we try to find every document and information available, and we were quite surprised by the mass of knowledge we got so far. That was totally unexpected!

Yes, we also got new information concerning Rory Storm and the Hurricanes performing in the west coast of France, although the main scoops are above all concentrated on the 1964 year, with the three-week engagement of the Beatles at the Olympia theatre in January and February.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on September 14, 2015, 07:47:43 AM
Great. Looking forward to that! Keep us informed!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: henrythehorse on October 10, 2015, 11:48:11 AM
New interview with Mark here:

http://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2015/10/beatles-confidential-mark-lewisohn-in.html?spref=tw (http://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2015/10/beatles-confidential-mark-lewisohn-in.html?spref=tw)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on October 10, 2015, 08:22:56 PM
New interview with Mark here:

[url]http://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2015/10/beatles-confidential-mark-lewisohn-in.html?spref=tw[/url] ([url]http://www.criticsatlarge.ca/2015/10/beatles-confidential-mark-lewisohn-in.html?spref=tw[/url])


Excellent! And it had great pictures too...with dates. Thanks for sharing it Henry!
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on October 11, 2015, 03:06:15 PM
Great interview. Thanks for posting.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: henrythehorse on October 15, 2015, 05:40:26 PM
Excellent! And it had great pictures too...with dates. Thanks for sharing it Henry!
You're welcome - definitely his most revealing in terms of the challenges he's faced, financial and otherwise, to make this project happen. He published a really cool tweet to all the people who keep tweeting saying, 'hurry up' and 'publish it now' - basically, 'this interview tells you why I won't and can't do that!'. I'm on the Beatles Bible Fab Forum and there are people on there grumbling that they'll be dead before volume 2 comes out. Unbelievable. I'm really excited about it but I'm still returning to the Extended Edition and getting new things that I'd missed etc. Like all good things, it's worth the wait and when it arrives you savour it all the more.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: KEROUAC on November 16, 2015, 02:39:59 PM


New material, stories and people from the period covered in volume one, "Tune In" has turned up after it's publication, but will not be included in the upcoming paperback edition of that book. Lewisohn says that it will be used in some way, but is still not sure how and when.

It would make sense to eventually add new info to a revised edition when Mark can eventually get around to it. He obviously has a lot on his plate at the moment. I am guessing he also doesn't want to say anything that will affect sales of the current edition.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on May 19, 2016, 04:24:52 AM
From Conan O'Brien's website:


Conan talks with acclaimed Beatles biographer Mark Lewisohn, whose biographical history trilogy delves into the Fab Four as never before and explains why Paul &​ Ringo might actually be the worst authority on the Beatles.


Author Mark Lewisohn — Serious Jibber-Jabber with Conan O'Brien (http://teamcoco.com/video/serious-jibber-jabber-beatles-biographer-mark-lewisohn?playlist=x%3BeyJ0eXBlIjoiZXRhZyIsImlkIjozOTIwNH0)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Badgirl66 on May 19, 2016, 04:11:34 PM
Mister Lewisohn for your New Book 120 Bucks is too much i am a poor Workless fan i have 30 euros the week for food
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: zipp on May 19, 2016, 04:54:36 PM
From Conan O'Brien's website:


Conan talks with acclaimed Beatles biographer Mark Lewisohn, whose biographical history trilogy delves into the Fab Four as never before and explains why Paul &​ Ringo might actually be the worst authority on the Beatles.


Author Mark Lewisohn — Serious Jibber-Jabber with Conan O'Brien ([url]http://teamcoco.com/video/serious-jibber-jabber-beatles-biographer-mark-lewisohn?playlist=x%3BeyJ0eXBlIjoiZXRhZyIsImlkIjozOTIwNH0[/url])


The video doesn't work for me. Shame, because it looks interesting.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on May 19, 2016, 11:22:26 PM
The video doesn't work for me. Shame, because it looks interesting.

Maybe using a different browser would work, zipp. I had to fool around with it a bit in Firefox but in Chrome it was business as usual.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Hello Goodbye on May 20, 2016, 04:06:15 AM
Works in Internet Explorer.

Thanks for posting that, Kelley.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: KEROUAC on May 20, 2016, 10:16:46 AM
I don't know if this has been posted anywhere else but there is another recent Mark Lewisohn interview with Stephen K Peeples. Part 1 is here and the other three parts follow on. https://youtu.be/z0fXa1DTR6U (https://youtu.be/z0fXa1DTR6U)
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on March 09, 2017, 02:13:47 AM
Does anyone know offhand where Mark Lewisohn is from?
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: Bobber on March 09, 2017, 10:00:39 AM
Does anyone know offhand where Mark Lewisohn is from?

Born in London NW9, England.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on March 09, 2017, 03:36:19 PM
Thanks, Cor. For some reason it just wasn't showing up in a Google search.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: KEROUAC on April 06, 2017, 08:56:27 AM
I believe he also grew up in Kenton and Pinner Middlesex.
Title: Re: The New Mark Lewisohn Books
Post by: In My Life on April 06, 2017, 09:58:59 PM
Thanks, Kerouac. I listened to a podcast with him as a guest and something about his accent made me wonder where he was from.