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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #140 on: October 04, 2010, 02:05:22 PM »

Depends. You are following the idea that Paul did not purchase his Hofner with Stu still in the band. You are assuming that because Stu was -according to the receipt- playing with The Beatles, Paul did not buy his Hofner yet. Another scenario could be that Stuart joined in on this week (or several weeks) because he might have needed some cash. Or to give Paul time to adjust to his new instrument. Just because Stu was paid and therefore obviously played with The Beatles from 10-16 June, it is not stated that Paul had not bought his Hofner yet.
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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #141 on: October 04, 2010, 02:52:21 PM »

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Depends. You are following the idea that Paul did not purchase his Hofner with Stu still in the band. You are assuming that because Stu was -according to the receipt- playing with The Beatles, Paul did not buy his Hofner yet. Another scenario could be that Stuart joined in on this week (or several weeks) because he might have needed some cash. Or to give Paul time to adjust to his new instrument. Just because Stu was paid and therefore obviously played with The Beatles from 10-16 June, it is not stated that Paul had not bought his Hofner yet.

Yes, you are right. Although McCartney wasn't keen on 'spending money' if another cheaper solution was at hand...

Anyway, it's clear that Sutcliffe was playing (=and paid for) with the Beatles on 10-16 June 1961...

What happened to Sutcliffe's 500/5 after leaving the band?? It's known that Klaus Voormann purchased it from Sutcliffe, but..., when??

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #142 on: October 05, 2010, 08:31:47 AM »

Maybe in Klaus' autobiography?
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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #143 on: October 05, 2010, 08:50:41 AM »

Found this on the site of the Liverpool Museum:

Stuart spent most of his money on paints and canvases. During the summer of his first year at college he worked as a bin man on the Liverpool Corporation rubbish collection lorries.

Stubs from this cheque book for his account at Westminster Bank, Princes Road, Liverpool 8 show that he had made payments for goods at Lewis's and Hessey's for John and Paul.
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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #144 on: October 05, 2010, 08:54:51 AM »

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Stubs from this cheque book for his account at Westminster Bank, Princes Road, Liverpool 8 show that he had made payments for goods at Lewis's and Hessey's for John and Paul.

Excellent, Bobber!! ;)

Does that source indicate which payments did Sutcliffe do for John & Paul??  ???

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #145 on: October 05, 2010, 09:11:39 AM »

You will need a closer look at the chequebook stubs in the Liverpool Museum I'm afraid.
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« Reply #146 on: October 05, 2010, 09:26:00 AM »

You will need a closer look at the chequebook stubs in the Liverpool Museum I'm afraid.

Oh I see. Maybe somebody living there could have a look...

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2010, 09:34:27 AM »

I'm uploading a daguerreotype of Domenico Dragonetti (1763-1846), the famous Venetian Double Bass player living in London for the most of his life:



This daguerreotype is dated 1843, hence one of the oldest known 'photographs' of a musician with his instrument...

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #148 on: November 05, 2010, 08:20:28 AM »

Great picture. Are you now researching this?
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« Reply #149 on: November 05, 2010, 09:16:35 AM »

Great picture. Are you now researching this?

Not exactly, because I did it years ago (=end nineties...) ;)

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #150 on: November 30, 2010, 10:33:35 PM »

Tuesday February 16, 1965:



This explains why Ringo was fooling around with the Double Bass bow onto the Ramírez:



But, the question is: why a Double Bass -and its bow- was there during that session. Another different recording being done by an orchestra at those days??

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #151 on: December 01, 2010, 04:03:45 AM »

^

Wow!  Ringo did that before Jimmy Page...




Add that to the things The Beatles invented.

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2010, 09:32:49 AM »

Another one:



Whose that Double Bass??  ???

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« Reply #153 on: December 01, 2010, 09:45:15 AM »

There is a clue at Brian Kehew - Kevin Ryan, Recording The Beatles, Houston, Curvebender, 2008, p. 394, a note in George Martin's hand for the 20 February session reads:

"...That Means a Lot
Track 1: George on Spanish acoustic
John on Fender
Drums + bass

Track 2: Paul bowing bass guitar
Ringo tom tom (w/echo)
And beginning only John on Fender..."


So, the Double Bass bow was there by those days. But this doesn't explain why both Double bass + bow were there.

I think an orchestra could be recording at Abbey Road (=probably on Studio 1) by those days, but...., which one??  ???

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2010, 07:11:46 PM »

Xose, The George Martin Orchestra recorded their pieces for this album at Abbey Road...



Maybe that bass fiddle belonged to someone in the band.
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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #155 on: December 01, 2010, 07:13:28 PM »

Also, large instruments like pianos and double basses are often found at recording studios.  They're "house instruments."
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« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2010, 07:17:30 PM »

Or maybe Paul asked for a bass fiddle to be there that day.
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« Reply #157 on: December 01, 2010, 07:21:23 PM »

Xose, The George Martin Orchestra recorded their pieces for this album at Abbey Road...

Brillant, HG!! ;) Thank you SO much!! ;)

Also, large instruments like pianos and double basses are often found at recording studios.  They're "house instruments."

Mmmm... I don't think so. At least, not in the case of a professional Double Bass player from mid-XXth. Century onwards. Goldne word of another Double Bass player!! ;)

Or maybe Paul asked for a bass fiddle to be there that day.

Yes: that could be likely...

But I stick to your first theory: George Martin Orchestra...

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Re: The beginnings of Paul McCartney's bass playing
« Reply #158 on: December 02, 2010, 08:11:58 AM »

Now, who were the members of the George Martin Orchestra? ;D
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« Reply #159 on: December 02, 2010, 08:55:06 AM »

Now, who were the members of the George Martin Orchestra? ;D

Yes...  ;D

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