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Mr Mustard

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Re: Where Would The Beatles Be Without Ringo?
« Reply #60 on: October 19, 2014, 11:13:00 PM »

- the perfect album imo. lyrically and musically :)

...but not vocally Kev, and therein (for me) lies the problem. Too introspective and pretentious for me I'm afraid.

I keep reminding everyone I'm not a musician - for me the instrumentation is the background which nicely "colours in" a song - which is centred around the lead vocal and the harmonies. The Beatles would have been fine a capella - Pink Floyd would have been dreadful.

It's why I've never rated musically gifted but vocally challenged groups like The Yardbirds.

Take themselves too seriously (Ringo never allowed The Beatles to do that. Which brings us back to the point of this thread).
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Re: Where Would The Beatles Be Without Ringo?
« Reply #61 on: October 20, 2014, 12:07:49 AM »

I take the opposite view, if a record is so successful/revered, indeed if anything is so successful/revered, it almost has to be NOT worth checking out. Exception which proves the rule.....The Beatles.

I don't understand your thinking here, but its already been touched upon by Mr.M.

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'Thriller' sold truckloads and, because they were releasing 45s off that for years, I KNOW that it's garbage.
I heard the thing by default!

Hmm.  I'm not a fan of Michael Jackson or Pop music, but even I can see the brilliance in this album.  The production and song structures are pretty amazing and it pains me to say that.  I couldn't call this album garbage if I wanted to, because its just not true.  If you don't like it, fine, but there's a reason why this record reached the heights that it did.

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In the case of 'Dark Side of the Moon' I just presume it is going to be rather dull and no explanation of it has ever piqued my interest. I prefer having an intimate knowledge of the stuff people ignore or don't know.....the 45s, 'A Saucerful of Secrets', 'More'.

So you pride yourself in the obscure.  That's fine, because I do it myself to some extent, but its also good to know the mainstream too.  Its cool to dazzle folks with your knowledge of albums and bands they have never heard of, but whats the point if they can just as easily bring up something like 'Dark Side Of The Moon' and you have no idea as to what they are talking about, which in most cases, is common knowledge?

That's too heavy.  I guess I'm just still baffled that you sometimes refuse to discover things based on the praise they receive.  Strange to me.

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Re: Where Would The Beatles Be Without Ringo?
« Reply #62 on: October 20, 2014, 12:12:58 AM »

DSOTM overrated ?

Come on Mr M, get a grip

They were a cult band before this masterpiece

Yes its a concept album, but its not only packed with great songs like Breathe, Us & Them, Money etc but its a whole 'experience' a way of transcending yourself for 40 minutes - the perfect album imo. lyrically and musically :)

It was when the band worked together, Ricks keyboards/piano was just as important as Rogers lyrics and Daves guitar/singing

It is a great record and of course I have it, but,,,,,,,,,its been so overplayed that I find it to boring to deal with anymore.  I seriously doubt I will ever listen to that album ever again.  That's just me though and I'm pretty much like that with any Pink Floyd at this stage of my life.

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Re: Where Would The Beatles Be Without Ringo?
« Reply #63 on: October 20, 2014, 02:35:56 AM »

I don't understand your thinking here, but its already been touched upon by Mr.M.

Hmm.  I'm not a fan of Michael Jackson or Pop music, but even I can see the brilliance in this album.  The production and song structures are pretty amazing and it pains me to say that.  I couldn't call this album garbage if I wanted to, because its just not true.  If you don't like it, fine, but there's a reason why this record reached the heights that it did.

So you pride yourself in the obscure.  That's fine, because I do it myself to some extent, but its also good to know the mainstream too.  Its cool to dazzle folks with your knowledge of albums and bands they have never heard of, but whats the point if they can just as easily bring up something like 'Dark Side Of The Moon' and you have no idea as to what they are talking about, which in most cases, is common knowledge?



Hang on Todd
 early Floyd records are not obscure records, theyre mainstream prog LP's
Obscure 60/70's would be Sebastian Hardy, England, Spring, Eloy, Taurus, Pheonix, Sepsis, Space farm, Starcastle,PFM etc etc

I get the point you are making though
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Re: Where Would The Beatles Be Without Ringo?
« Reply #64 on: October 20, 2014, 03:00:57 AM »

...but not vocally Kev,

remained in the charts for 741 weeks from 1973 to 1988. With an estimated 50 million copies sold, it is Pink Floyd's most commercially successful album and the second best-selling album worldwide.

Vocals cant have been that bad   ha2ha

IT REMAINED IN CHARTS ALL THROUGH THE LOUSY PUNK/NEW WAVE ERA................ 10/10 FOR PINK FLOYD - GOD BLESS EM, SOME REAL MUSIC IN ALL THAT DROSS

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Re: Where Would The Beatles Be Without Ringo?
« Reply #65 on: October 20, 2014, 10:18:46 AM »

The point I'm trying to make Kev is that most people who bought into Floyd weren't there for the vocals. I think it's the quality of musicianship/arrangements/production/concept/lyrical maturity etc which helped sell copies by the shedload. Millions of buyers can't be "wrong" of course, but all those things are of secondary importance to me personally. Plus I'm a sucker for melodies and I don't recall many from DSOTM.  I wasn't a fan of punk/new wave, so citing that as the then current "competition" earns them no points from me.

I'm not embarrassed to say I'd prefer to listen to Wings or Abba over Pink Floyd (melodies and vocals, remember) even if it's not "cool". There is a place for more proggy stuff on my sound system if I'm in the mood but that's when I'd turn to Jethro Tull. But most of that stuff (ELP, Yes, Caravan, Gentle Giant etc) is nowadays too much like hard work for me: have it but barely ever play it.

Maybe I'm just getting old.
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Re: Where Would The Beatles Be Without Ringo?
« Reply #66 on: October 20, 2014, 11:12:19 AM »

The point I'm trying to make Kev is that most people who bought into Floyd weren't there for the vocals. I think it's the quality of musicianship/arrangements/production/concept/lyrical maturity etc which helped sell copies by the shedload. Millions of buyers can't be "wrong" of course, but all those things are of secondary importance to me personally. Plus I'm a sucker for melodies and I don't recall many from DSOTM.  I wasn't a fan of punk/new wave, so citing that as the then current "competition" earns them no points from me.

I'm not embarrassed to say I'd prefer to listen to Wings or Abba over Pink Floyd (melodies and vocals, remember) even if it's not "cool". There is a place for more proggy stuff on my sound system if I'm in the mood but that's when I'd turn to Jethro Tull. But most of that stuff (ELP, Yes, Caravan, Gentle Giant etc) is nowadays too much like hard work for me: have it but barely ever play it.

Maybe I'm just getting old.

I really dont understand you here Mr M, imo DSPTM is full of great melodies (take Us & Them) and the singing is top notch

We'll just have to agree to disagree  ;)
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