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Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
« on: June 30, 2011, 02:18:53 PM »

I am also fine with John being what ever he wanted to be and his political beliefs. But this former personal assistant and scumbag Fred Seaman who is saying this now publicly that John Lennon was a Republican. Is a convicted thief and has lied before about the crimes he did to John and his family after he was killed.He has no honor or integrity at all as far I am concerned.There is still I have read items that Yoko and Sean and John's estate have never seen again or got back that disappeared from the Dakota after John was assassinated.They are stolen properly from John Lennon's estate.I do feel John was at least a liberal on social issues and still left wing.I don't think John turned into a complete Republican toward the end of his life.I think John was somewhat of a Libertarian myself.I don't believe he was a complete socialist either.But anything that such a scumbag would say now.Should not be taken seriously coming from someone who did this to John and his family after he died.Here is some other older articles about this Seaman. For those that don't remember about who he is and what he did.

June 28, 2011
Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
John Lennon was a closet Republican, who felt a little embarrassed by his former radicalism, at the time of his death - according to the tragic Beatles star's last personal assistant.Fred Seaman worked alongside the music legend from 1979 to Lennon's death at the end of 1980 and he reveals the star was a Ronald Reagan fan who enjoyed arguing with left-wing radicals who reminded him of his former self.

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/28...ican-assistant

http://www.lfpress.com/news/world/20...enn-story.html

These are two older articles talk about this thief and crook

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/sep/28/arts.artsnews

http://lifeofthebeatles.blogspot.com/2010/01/beatle-people-fred-seaman.html
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Re: Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2011, 09:19:08 PM »


Oh, brother! I don't know that much about Fred Seaman, other than that he was John's assistant, but this just smacks of publicity-seeking, much like the granddaughter of Second Officer Charles Lightoller of the Titanic coming out and saying Quartermaster Hichens turned the wheel the wrong way on the Titanic. (Turns out she had just published a novel -- I find it hard to believe that was a coincidence.)


 
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Re: Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2011, 06:53:26 AM »

But anything that such a scumbag would say now.Should not be taken seriously

Well, you appear to be taking it rather serious. And what if John WAS a republican towards the end of his life? Does it make any difference?
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2011, 07:41:13 AM »

Nuance:



More on John Lennon’s Move Away from ‘Imagine’: Evolution is ‘Absolute Garbage’

 

A December article in the The Amerian Conservative reports on some startling revelations from John Lennon himself in a number of interviews that took place near the end of his life. Obviously, the MSM and their co-conspirators in the entertainment media shoved all of this down the memory-hole.

American Conservative’s Jordan Micheal Smith: 

In the last major interview Lennon gave, to Playboy in late 1980 (and later released unedited as a book, All We Are Saying), he and Yoko Ono offered opinions that can fairly be described as chastened, jaded, even provincial. …

When it was pointed out that a Beatles reunion could possibly raise $200 million for a poverty-stricken country in South America, Lennon had no time for it. “You know, America has poured billions into places like that. It doesn’t mean a damn thing. After they’ve eaten that meal, then what? It lasts for only a day. After the $200,000,000 is gone, then what? It goes round and round in circles.” It’s a critique of foreign aid readers of P.T. Bauer would be familiar with. “You can pour money in forever. After Peru, then Harlem, then Britain. There is no one concert. We would have to dedicate the rest of our lives to one world concert tour, and I’m not ready for it.”

This was not the ’60s revolutionary who hung out with Yippies and Black Panthers. Not only did Lennon dismiss his earlier efforts, he rejected the entire idea of social change through political action. “I have never voted for anybody, anytime, ever,” he said. “Even at my most so-called political. I have never registered and I never will. It’s going to make a lot of people upset, but that’s too bad.”

“I dabbled in so-called politics in the late Sixties and Seventies more out of guilt than anything,” he revealed. “Guilt for being rich, and guilt thinking that perhaps love and peace isn’t enough and you have to go and get shot or something, or get punched in the face, to prove I’m one of the people. I was doing it against my instincts.” …

Nothing seems less like the popular idea of Lennon, but there was more. In his definitive song, “Imagine”—Yoko Ono has said its lyrics express “just what John believed”—he famously dreams of a world with “no possessions.” The mature Lennon explicitly disavowed such naïve sentiments:

I worked for money and I wanted to be rich. So what the hell—if that’s a paradox, then I’m a socialist. But I am not anything. What I used to be is guilty about money. … Because I thought money was equated with sin. I don’t know. I think I got over it, because I either have to put up or shut up, you know. If I’m going to be a monk with nothing, do it. Otherwise, if I am going to try and make money, make it. Money itself isn’t the root of all evil.

The man who famously called for imagining a world with “No religion” also jettisoned his anti-theism. “People got the image I was anti-Christ or antireligion,” he said. “I’m not at all. I’m a most religious fellow. I’m religious in the sense of admitting there is more to it than meets the eye. I’m certainly not an atheist.”

Even more shocking to the idea of Lennon as a secular leftist, or a deep thinker, the man rejected evolution. “Nor do I think we came from monkeys, by the way,” he insisted. “That’s another piece of garbage. What the hell’s it based on? We couldn’t’ve come from anything—fish, maybe, but not monkeys. I don’t believe in the evolution of fish to monkeys to men. Why aren’t monkeys changing into men now? It’s absolute garbage.”

According to the American Conservative, Lennon never became a Reagan Democrat, which is pretty much what Fred Seaman, a Lennon assistant, said happened in the article making its way around the news cycle today. But it looks as though that might be more of a conclusion the American Conservative author comes to, as opposed to something Lennon actually said.

(source: bighollywood.breitbart.com)
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Re: Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2011, 07:54:03 PM »

 No it would not make a difference to me. I would still respect and love John Lennon and his music whether he was a Republican or Liberal or moderate, or socialist or Libertarian.I just think that someone that would steal John's, diarys, photographs etc.Has some serous credibility issues on anything he says.I have read there still at least one of John's personal guitar's missing still.So please excuse me for sounding upset.Not even really about the article about John's politics.But that this convicted crook is crawling coming out once again with more storys.Since John's not alive he can't go to the media and press and explain his views himself.I am sure Yoko is going have things to say about what John's political beliefs were.I just don't believe for one minute.That John would have supported the war in Iraq right now etc.Or the massive federal cuts in funding that has been happening.I believe on human rights issues over the world he would a activist.I believe he would support gay rights and be pro choice to.I think he would be politically active in many social justice and environmental issues to.I also respect everyone's rights to their own political views and feelings on these issues.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2011, 06:39:06 PM »

That would have proven the famous quote attributed to Churchill: "If you're not Liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not Conservative when you're 40, you have no brain."
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2011, 12:18:39 AM »

In the end, John was a person who made mistakes. I had a hard time accepting that he was sexist or that he hit Cynthia. John being a huge influence on my life, and me not believing in violence against women, that was hard to accept.

But, that being said, I could care less if John was a Democrat, Republican, or...whatever. He made good music, that's all that really matters.

I also have friends who are Republicans, and they're not all terrible, lol!
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Re: Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2011, 02:54:55 AM »

That why we shouldn't have idols, we should follow messages and not messengers. Actually that was something John said and I take that message. :)
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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2011, 03:08:54 AM »

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I had a hard time accepting that he was sexist or that he hit Cynthia. John being a huge influence on my life, and me not believing in violence against women, that was hard to accept.

That's exactly how I always felt. But the more I've read and thought about him the more I understand why he behaved the way he did. And I believe he really evolved as the years went by. I heard a bit of his last interview the other night, where he explained that "Woman" was more than just a love song to Yoko; it was an apology to all women. I'm heartbroken that we never got the chance to see this evolution continue.

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« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2011, 09:31:48 AM »

I also have friends who are Republicans, and they're not all terrible, lol!

Wow! I have friends that are Roman Catholic. ha2ha
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2011, 03:51:56 PM »

Elliot Mintz is now attempting to dispel this. That to me almost makes it more true. I am not a fan of Mr. Mintz. I think he is a sycophant who has for years tried to cash in on his acquaintance with John.

Although, Fred Seaman does have some credibility issues, I think I believe him over Mr. Mintz. Fred was close to John in John's last few years.

I think John matured and saw that his radicalism did not work. He still wanted to live in a better world, but realized that the way he was going about it was futile. We all mellow with age, that is what maturity is.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2011, 02:34:44 AM »

Being conservative and believing in Jesus at the same time is one those strange paradoxes of life.
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Re: Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 02:21:25 PM »

and here come the attacks.  A person can't make mistakes?  You have to understand what he was going through at that time as well.
It was madness in the Dakota, and he was trying to do what he felt was right.  He was wrong with some things, but a scum bag is a bit much.

As far as the whole political thing who knows.  There are pictures of him at Jimmer Carter speech around 1976 I believe so
maybe he changed his mind.  You have to rememeber that Republicans were a little different then.  They used to be less in bed with
the Christian church, and more about staying out of people's buisness. 
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2012, 06:44:33 PM »

As much as I hated reading Seamann's comments, I had to say there was a possibility Lennon became a right-wing sack of crap...
As Seamann noted many times in the book, Lennon soured on many things that he used to enjoy. He turned away from the radical left (Hoffman, Rubin) and, along with Yoko, tried to get his net worth up to Paul's after Paul reported his to be about 1/4 billion.
Lennon also wanted nothing to do with the public and always made derogatory comments to anyone even glancing at him at a restaurant or anywhere outside. He used to predict for Seamann which person in the restaurant was going to come over for an autograph...
As for the ripping of Seamann here, Tony Bramwell knows the Lennon situation a whole lot better than Peregrini or whoever above and he said the Seamann book was one of the two BEST Beatles books.
I also doubt this book would have been knocked by people who were close to Lennon in the mid 70s (no, not Paul or George Martin), but by people like Mick Jagger and Colin Hanton.
But, Peregrini, if you want to keep believing that total lying sack of crap Yoko that Lennon stayed in the home all day and baked break, you go ahead and stay in that dream world.
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2012, 03:09:43 AM »

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I had to say there was a possibility Lennon became a right-wing sack of crap...

Im beginning to think rather than a Beatle forum this is turning into a 'John Lennon was a complete prick' forum..

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But, Peregrini, if you want to keep believing that total lying sack of crap Yoko that Lennon stayed in the home all day and baked break, you go ahead and stay in that dream world.

I think youve already used that line on me nada surf  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2012, 04:03:42 AM »

Im beginning to think rather than a Beatle forum this is turning into a 'John Lennon was a complete prick' forum..

Where do I register?  ha2ha

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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2012, 04:17:39 AM »

Where do I register?  ha2ha

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Re: Lennon was a closet Republican: Assistant
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2012, 06:12:49 AM »

Don't you think Lennon was a sack of crap (or however you put it) quite a few times?
I'm amazed someone didn't beat the living hell out of him.
I'll always admit he was the greatest and most important singer/songwriter of all time anywhere...
But a decent guy? No way.
There were worse and he might have been coming around, but don't buy what Yoko is telling you. She's a proven liar.
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2012, 06:38:34 AM »

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Don't you think Lennon was a sack of crap (or however you put it) quite a few times?

There are some historical figures who deserve that label but John Lennon was not one of them. I have known and loved people in my life who, at times, have let me down but I never could put such a label on them. John Lennon is no different.

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Someone did.

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There were worse and he might have been coming around, but don't buy what Yoko is telling you. She's a proven liar

I don't care what Yoko is or isn't. All that matters to me is that it's a tragedy that he'll never have the chance to show the people in his life who mattered the most if this were the case.


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