Beatles under a microscope - Abbey Road

[Dcazz]

Many people seem to dislike "Come Together" in this forum, don't know exactly why. It has a fantastic drum beat, hypnotic bass lines, wonderful keyboard and guitar solos, and great singing. Of course that the lyrics are a joke, but other than that it's a marvelous recording.

I always liked it.

[Hello Goodbye]

Mel Torme - Comin Home Baby

Booker T and the Mg's Comin' home baby

Booker T. & the MGs - Abbey Road Medley (Beatles Covers)
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[tkitna]

Many people seem to dislike "Come Together" in this forum, don't know exactly why. It has a fantastic drum beat, hypnotic bass lines, wonderful keyboard and guitar solos, and great singing. Of course that the lyrics are a joke, but other than that it's a marvelous recording.

I dont care for it much to be honest. I'd love to give you a valid reason why, because its a well done song, but I cant. Its like 'Get Back' in a way that I just grow tired of it really quick. I know its a good song, but I would prefer to listen to something else. Just sick of it, I guess.

[Toejam]

ha2ha

OK John admitted the Chuck Berry borrow but ...........can you tell me which part of the melody of Sun King resembles the melody of Albatross cos that has got me completely puzzled, apart from the guitar tone similarity I can hear no similarity with the melody at all, (Ive also looked at the musical notation for both songs) can you also let me know the same with Because, it sounds nothing like Beethovens Moonlight Sonata to me, Ive heard the story about him asking Yoko to play the chords backwards but I along with several people have tried this and it sounds nothing like Because and anyway using chords from other songs is not in any way illegal, (if it were hundreds of Blues musicians would be guilty !) its stealing the melody and/or lyrics thats plagiarism, so I look forward to you expanding on which bits of the above 2 melodies (Because & Sun King) John ripped off. (I genuinely am interested).

Its a bit late now here but tomorrow I'll look into the ripping off of the song Coming home baby for I Want You (She's So Heavy), I dont think Ive heard the song but I'll you tube it tomorrow......do you know who its by ?

Just by way of fairness I also noticed that you didnt mention Paul borrowing the Lyrics for Golden Slumbers from Cradle Song, a lullaby by the dramatist Thomas Dekker from 1603........ in the 'genius' bit of the album...

I just don't think the Albatross thing is even a question of debate. I'm not the only person who thinks they're virtually identical and as to the Beethoven. My way of thinking about it is if Beethoven hadn't written Moonlight sonata then Yoko wouldn't have played it backwards and John wouldn't have written Because so it is derived from another persons work which imo diminishes it. The Coming home baby song is by Mel Torme and it is on youtube.
And no I just never thought about the Golden slumber lyric steal and as it happens I also forgot to point out that Oh Darling is a bit of a rip of the 'Elvis song' One night. I am  bothered by the plagiarism of various kinds by John on Abbery rd. Since I've found out about them it's really impaired mmy respect and emjoyment of the album because all but 2 of his contributions are so derived from other sources which is way too much whereas Paul's plagiarism on the album is only minimal. If John had only derived one or two songs from other sources it wouldn't irk me so much which is why I focused on John. You come across like one of these people who come across rather shrill about other fans being a Paul or a John fan. I love them both but I also don't worship unconditionally and unquestioningly everything they do.

[nimrod]

I just don't think the Albatross thing is even a question of debate. I'm not the only person who thinks they're virtually identical and as to the Beethoven. My way of thinking about it is if Beethoven hadn't written Moonlight sonata then Yoko wouldn't have played it backwards and John wouldn't have written Because so it is derived from another persons work which imo diminishes it.

So, you havent answered my question and pointed out the parts of the melodies of Sun king and Albatross that are the same, I can tell you why you havent, because there arent any, this is just some crap youve read in a trashy book no doubt, but really mate, you have come on a Beatle fan forum and said that 4 of Johns songs on imo THE greatest album ever made (in not just my opinion but endless pro's opinions) are shitty rip offs , and yet you cant show me the parts of the melody that John stole ?

Are you for fucking real ?

You dont think its a question of debate how ridiculous, I have a degree in music appreciation, I am a musician of 40 years standing, I know many pro musicians, so I have some qualification to speak about music, and I have asked you to show me the parts that John plagiarised, and you brush over it and say, its not worth debating ??

and to top it off a personal insult......I'M one of THOSE people who comes across rather shrill ??

Ok mate heres the deal, the Beatles are my gods, my heroes, they were Beethovens of the 60's....you can tell me all day long that you dont like them or their music and I will accept that as music is subjective, you can tell me that the Beatles are shit, I will accept that that is your opinion,  but if you come on here (a great Beatles forum) and tell me that John plagiarised 4 songs on Abbey Road you'd better be able to fucking well prove it, and thats just it, you cant, you have offered no proof whatsoever, just your opinion, the melodies of Sun King and Albatross (both of which I have loved since 1969) are completely different...completely.

If you had made some attempt to prove what your saying I would have some respect for you, but you havent, youve just made scurrilous remarks about John Lennon, Id feel exactly the same if you'd said it about Paul or George.
As for what you say about Moonlight Sonata, that is purely laughable mate, according to your theory there would be no more new songs ever as all chord permutations have been used already and there are none left, I can name you at least 6 famous songs with the chords C -Am - F - G, in the verses, so theyre all copied and are plagiarised ?

your last two posts are laughable, and put simply they are Crap (with a capitol C)

I strongly suggest you learn more about harmony & melody before posting defamatory diatribes about a subject, and immensely talented and famous people like John Lennon........and if you must do it, be prepared to prove your case with facts.

[Toejam]

So, you havent answered my question and pointed out the parts of the melodies of Sun king and Albatross that are the same, I can tell you why you havent, because there arent any, this is just some crap youve read in a trashy book no doubt, but really mate, you have come on a Beatle fan forum and said that 4 of Johns songs on imo THE greatest album ever made (in not just my opinion but endless pro's opinions) are sh*tty rip offs , and yet you cant show me the parts of the melody that John stole ?

Are you for f***ing real ?

You dont think its a question of debate how ridiculous, I have a degree in music appreciation, I am a musician of 40 years standing, I know many pro musicians, so I have some qualification to speak about music, and I have asked you to show me the parts that John plagiarised, and you brush over it and say, its not worth debating ??

and to top it off a personal insult......I'M one of THOSE people who comes across rather shrill ??

Ok mate heres the deal, the Beatles are my gods, my heroes, they were Beethovens of the 60's....you can tell me all day long that you dont like them or their music and I will accept that as music is subjective, you can tell me that the Beatles are sh*t, I will accept that that is your opinion,  but if you come on here (a great Beatles forum) and tell me that John plagiarised 4 songs on Abbey Road you'd better be able to f***ing well prove it, and thats just it, you cant, you have offered no proof whatsoever, just your opinion, the melodies of Sun King and Albatross (both of which I have loved since 1969) are completely different...completely.

If you had made some attempt to prove what your saying I would have some respect for you, but you havent, youve just made scurrilous remarks about John Lennon, Id feel exactly the same if you'd said it about Paul or George.
As for what you say about Moonlight Sonata, that is purely laughable mate, according to your theory there would be no more new songs ever as all chord permutations have been used already and there are none left, I can name you at least 6 famous songs with the chords C -Am - F - G, in the verses, so theyre all copied and are plagiarised ?

your last two posts are laughable, and put simply they are Crap (with a capitol C)

I strongly suggest you learn more about harmony & melody before posting defamatory diatribes about a subject, and immensely talented and famous people like John Lennon........and if you must do it, be prepared to prove your case with facts.

Well! I really think your blowing this out of propotion. I joined this forum because I love the Beatles. If you look at the vast majority of my posts about the band and their post-Beatles career you'll see how much I love them. As to calling them 'shitty' I haven't said those songs were 'shitty' on the contrary go back and look at my post yesterday I was telling the poster who did call them 'shitty' that that was a bit strong i then just happened to mention what I've thought for a few years about 4 of Johns songs on Abbery rd and I stand by that. Like I said I'm far from the only person to think those things about those songs so maybe you aught to calm down a bit and get some perspective. Of all The Beatles fans I've ever come across who react badly to negative things I say about them no one has been so over-the-top as you. Fair enough you worship them... I don't. I love lots of things about them and their art and I 'have issues' with some of things about them. Deal with it.

[Hello Goodbye]

Albatross

Fleetwood Mac Albatross
Fleetwood Mac   1969



The Piano Sonata No. 14 in C♯ minor "Quasi una fantasia", op. 27, No. 2, by Ludwig van Beethoven

Beethoven - Moonlight Sonata (FULL) - Piano Sonata No. 14

[nimrod]

Well! I really think your blowing this out of propotion. I joined this forum because I love the Beatles. If you look at the vast majority of my posts about the band and their post-Beatles career you'll see how much I love them. As to calling them 'shitty' I haven't said those songs were 'shitty' on the contrary go back and look at my post yesterday I was telling the poster who did call them 'shitty' that that was a bit strong i then just happened to mention what I've thought for a few years about 4 of Johns songs on Abbery rd and I stand by that. Like I said I'm far from the only person to think those things about those songs so maybe you aught to calm down a bit and get some perspective. Of all The Beatles fans I've ever come across who react badly to negative things I say about them no one has been so over-the-top as you. Fair enough you worship them... I don't. I love lots of things about them and their art and I 'have issues' with some of things about them. Deal with it.

You come on a Beatles fan forum accuse John of blatantly cheating on 4 songs on one album (without proving it) and you tell me to deal with it, whats your next trick ? tell me my Mother was a whore and ask me to deal with that haha

I ask you again, show me the melodic notes or words in Sun King that are the same as the melodic notes, (phrasing and intervals) on Albatross..........the song Because has a lovely ORIGINAL melody, show me (again the above) on Moonlight where that melody is stolen

What Im asking you to do is not rocket science, we all know the same notes on She's So Fine are duplicated by George (maybe not intentionally) on My Sweet Lord so show me the bits that John copied ?

No my friend, I wont 'deal with it'

What you are going around saying 'as fact' completely undermines John as a credible artist, its not like your saying something trivial that's just 'your opinion'...............also I cant get over the fact that you think Im blowing this out of proportion, these are huge accusations your stating here and you are saying these things without the knowledge or in any way being able to substantiate your accusations, thats what I cant deal with, if your going to put huge and outrageous claims forward on this magnificent site as fact, then prove what you are saying is true. If you cant, then dont say them, or if you do, expect you claims to annoy the crap out of people.

[tkitna]

[stevie]

 Albatross!


Do you get wafers with it then?

[blmeanie]

of all message boards/forums I've ever been on, that is my favorite smiley, didn't realize it was here

[nimrod]

I like this one Todd  ha2ha

[tkitna]

of all message boards/forums I've ever been on, that is my favorite smiley, didn't realize it was here

I had to search for it.  ha2ha

[tkitna]

I like this one Todd  ha2ha

Thats a good one. There's tons, but this is one of my faves.

[tkitna]

As a matter of fact, just accept that mine is the best or i'll send Denise after you.