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Beatles coincidences
« on: October 03, 2011, 03:09:11 PM »

There's a few really intriguing Beatles coincidences. I can't remember all of them though. Here's a few I can remember.
-My favourite. The girl who ran away from home in the newspaper stroy Paul read that inspired She's leaving home had actually met Paul on a television programme a few yrs. earlier during Beatlemania. Here's a vide o of them meeeting.
Paul McCartney Meets Melanie Coe, Who Later Inspired The Beatles' "She's Leaving Home"

-Jane Asher's mum taught George Martin to play the oboe, I think
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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 07:24:06 AM »

Which two future guys’ wives attended the legendary Shea Stadium concert?



Linda Louise Eastman and Barbara Bach were in attendance at the famous guys’ August 15th, 1965 concert at Shea Stadium in New York. Though they didn’t know it at the time, Linda would later marry Paul McCartney (March 12, 1969), and Barbara would go on to marry Ringo Starr (April 27, 1981).

Back in August 1965, the soon to be 18 year old Barbara Bach was not really a fan. She was only in attendance at the Shea Stadium concert as a chaperone to her younger sister Marjorie. Barbara preferred the music of Bob Dylan, Aretha Franklin, and Ray Charles.

In contrast, Linda Eastman was there as a fan. Paul McCartney said, “Linda was also there — but as she was a real music fan she was quite (annoyed) with everyone screaming. I think she enjoyed the experience, but she genuinely wanted to hear the show. That wasn’t the deal though. Not then.”



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Re: Beatles coincidences
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2011, 12:00:11 PM »

REVEALED: The haunting life story behind one of pop's most famous songs... Eleanor Rigby
By Richard Price

 
The words, familiar to countless millions around the world, are among the most poignant in popular music: 'Eleanor Rigby died in the church and was buried along with her name; nobody came.'

Set to a haunting melody by Lennon and McCartney and backed by a string octet masterfully arranged by George Martin, the song broke new ground with its heartrending refrain: 'All the lonely people, where do they all come from?'

Its funereal orchestration and bleak message of isolation, depression and desolation were a far cry from the upbeat hits the public had come to expect from The Beatles  -  yet it climbed straight to number one and changed the face of pop music in the process.


Seen for the first time... Eleanor Rigby's signature on a school geography textbook found in a coal shed in the family's former home

Since its release 40 years ago, the tragic heroine of this two-minute masterpiece has become a source of endless fascination for Beatles' enthusiasts.

Indeed, interest is so strong that next week a 1911 salary ledger from Liverpool City Hospital bearing the details of 'E. Rigby', a 14-year-old scullery maid, is expected to fetch up to £500,000 at auction.

In truth, this unknown teenager almost certainly had nothing to do with the much-loved song. (In all likelihood her first name was not Eleanor, and Sir Paul McCartney, who donated the item to charity having been sent it by a fan, concedes that she had no bearing on the process of composition.)

In a neat churchyard in the leafy Liverpool district of Woolton, however, lies the final resting place of the real Eleanor Rigby  -  the woman widely regarded as the subconscious inspiration behind the classic song.

It was here, at the St Peter's Church fete, that John Lennon and Paul McCartney met for the first time.

The church is a stone's throw from Lennon's childhood home on Menlove Avenue. He sang in the choir and frequently played in the graveyard, which he referred to with characteristic irreverence as the 'bone orchard'.

The tombstone of Eleanor Rigby has become a landmark to Beatles fans visiting Liverpool and was even featured in the video for the band's 1995 reunion single, Free As A Bird.

But though many people believe this is the final resting place of the woman who gave the song its name, until now any details about her life have remained an intriguingly blank slate.

Today, for the first time, a Daily Mail investigation painstakingly unravels the true story of Eleanor and tracks down the last surviving member of her close family.

What emerges most poignantly is that whatever her association with the song may be, there is no denying that the Rigby family history is eerily consistent with The Beatles' bleak tale.


Tragic: The grave of Eleanor Rigby in Liverpool. She is widely believed to have been the 'subconscious' influence behind the Beatles song

There are no surviving pictures of Eleanor, who was born on August 29, 1895, at 8 Vale Road in Woolton  -  which, intriguingly, backs onto Menlove Avenue, where Lennon grew up.
The patriarch of the family was her grandfather John Rigby  -  her mother's father  -  a stonemason who presided over the poky, two-bedroom terrace house crammed with five adults and the infant Eleanor.

Eleanor's real name, in fact, was Eleanor Whitfield, but with the Rigby family line on the cusp of dying out, her grandfather appears to have insisted that she take his surname  -  and this is how it appears on the family gravestone.

Eleanor's father, a journeyman joiner called Arthur Whitfield, passed away while she was still a child, so she remained in the family home until shortly after her 15th birthday, when her mother, Mary Elizabeth, remarried.

That marriage produced two half-sisters for Eleanor  -  Edith and Hannah Heatley  -  who would become the guardians of Eleanor's memory as, one by one, the Rigby family passed away.

Eleanor was devoted to her sisters and lobbied to be appointed godmother to Edith, which she duly was.

But as the years went by and her schoolfriends married and started families of their own, Eleanor's existence became more solitary, and she was forced to eke out a living by helping her mother, a laundress.

It was not until the age of 35  -  positively ancient in those days  -  that she was eventually married to Thomas Woods, a railway foreman 17 years her senior.

The marriage, witnessed by her half-sister Hannah, was a joyous occasion but her happiness was not to last long.

Eleanor proved incapable of bearing children  -  a source of great heartbreak  -  and on October 10, 1939, a month after the outbreak of World War II, she suffered a massive brain haemorrhage.


The Beatles single that made Eleanor Rigby's name famous

And so it was that at the cruelly young age of 44, Eleanor died in the same house where she had been born, was interred in the graveyard of St Peter's Church, and had her name added prominently on an increasingly crowded headstone.

Precisely one year later, John Lennon was born, going on to play out much of his childhood against the background of that same church.

His schoolboy band, the Quarrymen, would cut their teeth at the church fete, and Paul McCartney would join him to sunbathe in the graveyard.

It was during this time, many Beatles experts are convinced, that the seed of an idea was planted which would subsequently grow into the song Eleanor Rigby.

'I am absolutely convinced that this woman is the real Eleanor Rigby  -  there are just too many coincidences,' says Ray Connolly, the respected Beatles biographer.

'That graveyard was a place John, in particular, knew very well, but it was also pretty close to Paul's house at the time.

'Paul has come up with various explanations for how they came up with the name Eleanor Rigby down the years, but the subconscious is a very powerful thing when you're writing music, and there is no accounting for it. Anyone who was growing up at the time will remember the kind of character The Beatles were singing about in that song.

'You'd see these lonely old ladies going to church every Sunday. Perhaps they'd lost their husbands in the war, or who knows what sort of tough lives they'd lived, but there was a sadness about them.

'Nobody has told the story of the real Eleanor Rigby before, and it's absolutely fascinating that her life has such parallels with the woman in the song.'


John Lennon and Paul McCartney: Both collaborated on Eleanor Rigby and both had played as youngsters in the graveyard where a tombstone carries her name

The lonely tale of the Rigbys did not end with her death, however. Having died childless, the family line was continued by her sisters, who moved into the family home on Vale Road and lived there together until they died, within a month of each other, in 2001  -  long after Eleanor's husband Thomas Woods had passed away.

Neither married or had children, and when they died their entire estate  -  amounting to £40,000  -  passed to Robert Donnellan, who, by his own admission, barely knew them but was the husband of a late friend of theirs.

They knew no other family member or friend for them to leave their estate to.

Graham Paisley, the verger of St Peter's Church, says: 'Edith and Hannah were two elderly spinsters who lived a very quiet life and were not demonstrative in any way.

'They seemed to lead quite a lonely life, but they always had each other, and I know they were very close indeed. I'll never forget Edith standing at the side of Hannah's grave at her funeral, looking utterly desolate.

'It really wasn't much of a surprise that she died so soon afterwards, because I don't think she had anyone left in the world.'

Indeed, the only remaining memories of sisters Eleanor, Hannah and Edith consist of a few scraps of paper bearing a rudimentary family tree. Entire lives reduced to the dates of birth, marriages and deaths in spidery handwriting, bequeathed to a man (Mr Donnellan) for whom they are nothing more than names and numbers.

In the course of this investigation, however, two other developments have unfolded.

Firstly, in the Vale Road house which was the Rigby family home for well over a century, a school geography textbook has been found bearing the signature of a young Eleanor Rigby.
 
The book was found, hidden in the depths of the coal shed, by university worker Alice Bennett when she moved into the property in 2003.

Inside the cover it has been signed with the names Eleanor Whitfield and Eleanor Rigby Whitfield  -  a perfect match to the signature on her official marriage certificate from December 28, 1930.

If a salary ledger for an unspecified 'E. Rigby' can raise £500,000 at auction, what price this artefact, signed by the woman whose headstone has become a Beatles icon?

Miss Bennett told me: 'When I first moved into the house, my neighbour told me that Eleanor Rigby used to live here, but I didn't really believe it was her until you showed me the signature on Eleanor's marriage certificate. I've put it in a bank vault for safe keeping, and only told a few of my friends about it until now. I'm a huge Beatles fan and I adore the lyrics to Eleanor Rigby.

'This is a little piece of history and I'm not sure how much it might be worth, but I don't want to sell it anyway.'

With Eleanor having died childless, and her spinster sisters following the same path, it would appear that this dog-eared copy of Gills Oxford and Cambridge Geography is virtually all that remains of her.

Just two miles away, however, in a semi-detached house in the Liverpool suburbs, I finally tracked down Thomas Rigby, Eleanor's cousin and her last surviving close relative.

The 88-year-old retired accounts clerk told me: 'I was aware of my cousins Edith and Hannah, but we never kept in close touch after their mother had died.

'As for Eleanor, the only recollection I have is of my father talking about how he paid for her piano lessons. He spoke fondly of her, as I recall.

'There was talk of Eleanor Rigby on the television this week, and I've often been asked if I'm any relation to this woman in a famous Beatles song. I've always told them that the answer is no.

'Of course, I heard a lot of Beatles' music in the Sixties  -  you couldn't get away from it in Liverpool in those days. But I like proper ballroom dancing, not these pop bands, and as far as I'm concerned The Beatles started all that off.

'Now I find that my cousin really was Eleanor Rigby, as you can imagine I have mixed emotions about it. I never knew her, which is very sad, but that's just how life turned out, I suppose.'

It is worthy of note that Thomas, like his cousins, has no children. Indeed, of six siblings born to Eleanor's uncle William and aunt Louisa Rigby  -  Thomas's parents  -  only two of them married.

Another child, Arnold, died in infancy, but Thomas, Albert, William and Louisa lived their entire lives under the same roof as their mother.

'Some may regard it as unusual, but we were very happy with the arrangement,' says Thomas.

'We were there for each other as a family, and that was enough for us.

'A lot of time has gone by, and Eleanor's side of the family has run out. They were ordinary, hardworking folk, the Rigbys  -  joiners, bricklayers, farmers and the like  -  not the kind of people you expect to go down in history. And now there's nobody left.'

So it seems that the only memories remaining of Eleanor Rigby are a few scraps of paper, an old, long-forgotten school textbook, and an iconic gravestone.

Elsewhere in the churchyard, Eleanor's sisters, Hannah and Edith, are buried with Eleanor's mother in an altogether more anonymous plot.

Nobody ever wrote a song about them, but as the Rigby dynasty approaches the end of the line, it seems this somewhat sad family were indeed just the kind of 'lonely people' The Beatles wrote about all those years ago.



from here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1088454/REVEALED-The-haunting-life-story-pops-famous-songs--Eleanor-Rigby.html
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Re: Beatles coincidences
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2011, 03:02:37 AM »

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Ah!  I found this site years ago by doing a Google search for some obscure Beatles information which led to a post like this.

Thank you again, raxo.

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Re: Beatles coincidences
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2011, 02:07:02 PM »

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Ah!  I found this site years ago by doing a Google search for some obscure Beatles information which led to a post like this.

Thank you again, raxo.

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Brian Epstein's father (Harry) sold a piano to Paul McCartney's father (Jim)  ... that Paul still owns.

Wikipedia on Brian Epstein says:
"They called the expanding business NEMS (North End Music Stores) which offered lenient credit terms, and from which McCartney's father once bought a piano."
here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Epstein

Sir Paul said exactly that in this video
The Brian Epstein Story (Beatles Manager)
  ... at 10:16-10.31.


Also from the same Wikipedia page:
"McCartney said of Epstein: "If anyone was the Fifth Beatle, it was Brian". "

And you can hear him saying it in the same video from youtube, at 3:18-3:20.
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Re: Beatles coincidences
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2011, 04:09:53 PM »

Paul McCartney and Brain Wilson are friends and mutual fans. Colleagues as singers, songwriters and bass players. (Co-)fronted the respectively most successful British and American band of the 1960s. Both wrote dozens of classic hit singles. And coincidentally, they were born just two days apart.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2011, 04:19:02 PM »

But I think that by far the biggest Beatles coincidence is that John Lennon and Paul McCartney, two of the greatest geniuses in pop music history, and George Harrison, a remarkably talented guitarist and a more than competent songwriter as well, just happened to meet each other when they were basically still kids who played rock 'n' roll covers. Looking back, what were the odds of that happening? It's pretty much the same thing as Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Eric Clapton being classmates in high school.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2011, 04:48:39 AM »

But I think that by far the biggest Beatles coincidence is that John Lennon and Paul McCartney, two of the greatest geniuses in pop music history, and George Harrison, a remarkably talented guitarist and a more than competent songwriter as well, just happened to meet each other when they were basically still kids who played rock 'n' roll covers. Looking back, what were the odds of that happening? It's pretty much the same thing as Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Eric Clapton being classmates in high school.

If they would have been so great songwriters and performers when they met then yes, but they became what they became 'cos they worked hard TO-GET(it)-HER ... their songs before 1962-3 were quite ... well, they were what they were ... not more than ...  roll:)

I think that none of them would have been nobody without the others ... no coinci-dense there, just good comrathership, in my opinion  :) ... and a really lot of hard work of course  8)
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2011, 07:26:57 AM »

You know you're the best  ;)

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Re: Beatles coincidences
« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2011, 05:15:08 AM »

Quote from: raxo
'This is a little piece of history and I'm not sure how much it might be worth, but I don't want to sell it anyway.'

Good for her! I'd never part with something like that either. This was a fascinating post to read.

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