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Re: Microscope: Mr. Tambourine Man (The Byrds)
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2012, 01:27:44 AM »

Just one thing, however.  He doesn't care much for Bob Dylan.    :-\

I certainly appreciate his huge talent Bazza its just Ive never been a fan of his voice, which makes it hard to listen to his songs, but I love cover versions of his stuff, some of his quieter songs I do listen to like If You See her say Hello
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« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2012, 01:43:07 AM »

I certainly appreciate his huge talent Bazza its just Ive never been a fan of his voice, which makes it hard to listen to his songs, but I love cover versions of his stuff, some of his quieter songs I do listen to like If You See her say Hello

I think Bob Dylan is the quintessential poet, lyricist and songwriter.  I like how he sounded in the 60s.  After 1975 or so he started to sound bad, Kev.
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« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2012, 01:47:20 AM »

I'd add The Notorious Byrd Brothers to your wants list.

The Notorious Byrd Brothers is an interesting record because it's the Byrds' most psychedelic album, but at the same time it's a bit messy and the songwriting is not as good as previous material in my opinion. Moreover, David Crosby (their best singer) was fired during the recording of the album, so lot of troubles were surrounding it. I think the result was quite good but not great. If I had to rate the first five Byrds' albums (those recorded with David Crosby), it would be something like this:

Mr. Tambourine Man (1965) ***** (excellent)
Turn! Turn! Turn! (1965) **** (very good)
Fifth Dimension (1966) **** (very good)
Younger Than Yesterday (1967) ***** (excellent)
The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1968) *** (good)
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« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2012, 01:59:47 AM »

Oh, I see.  This is how I remember it.  Bringing It All Back Home didn't create a stir.  Mr. Tambourine Man, It's All Over Now Baby Blue and It's Alright Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) on the acoustic side overshadowed the entire electric side.  It was a few months later at The Newport Folk Festival where there was some reaction from the folk community.  The film documentary shows that he was booed.  His setlist ran like this:

1. Maggie's Farm
2. Like A Rolling Stone
3. It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry
4. It's All Over Now, Baby Blue
5. Mr. Tambourine Man


But was the crowd booing Bob Dylan going electric or the announcement that his set would be short due to time constraints?  I wasn't there so I can't tell you firsthand, but there are conflicting reports from those who were as to the reason for the booing.  Al Kooper, who played keyboard backing Bob Dylan that day, said that the crowd was booing the announcement and not Dylan.

Whatever the reason was, Dylan made the most of it by immediately writing and releasing Positively 4th Street which was interpreted as his response to what happened at the Festival.

Here's a funny side note.  I took blues guitar lessons from Ian Buchanan from 1972-1974.  It wasn't unusual for his musician friends to stop over during lessons.  They would usually occupy themselves quietly off on the side.  At one lesson, I was plugged into Ian's amplifier and was warming up with the guitar countermelody in Mr. Tambourine Man.  Ian's musician friend looked up from the book he was reading and smiled.  I found out later it was Al Kooper.  Ian wouldn't tell me who his guests were so I wouldn't get starstruck and mess up my lessons.



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I estimate Al Kooper especially because he was the main responsible for making the Zombies' gem Odessey And Oracle see the light.
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« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2012, 02:03:44 AM »

of course I love 60's music, I just think things got more interesting after Revolver.

I know and I meant that, that you feel more attracted by late-60's stuff. But I didn't mean that you don't like mid-60's music.
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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2012, 02:10:00 AM »

I think Bob Dylan is the quintessential poet, lyricist and songwriter.  I like how he sounded in the 60s.  After 1975 or so he started to sound bad, Kev.

Can't really disagree, and I think that only the Lennon-McCartney team could rival him as songwriter. In fact, the Beatles and the 60's would not have been the same without Bob Dylan. I must say that I'm not a huge fan of him as an interpreter, but I still like listening to his classic stuff and he had some magic that makes me forget that he's not a great singer.
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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2012, 02:23:15 AM »

That's a great story, Hello Goodbye. Thank you.

I estimate Al Kooper especially because he was the main responsible for making the Zombies' gem Odessey And Oracle see the light.


I'm glad Ian waited until after my lesson to introduce me to Al Kooper.  As it was, I acted like a "zombie" trying to say hello.  I can only imagine how my lesson would have gone if he introduced me when I came in!   


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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2012, 02:29:24 AM »

Can't really disagree, and I think that only the Lennon-McCartney team could rival him as songwriter. In fact, the Beatles and the 60's would not have been the same without Bob Dylan. I must say that I'm not a huge fan of him as an interpreter, but I still like listening to his classic stuff and he had some magic that makes me forget that he's not a great singer.


And they respected each other.  Bob Dylan wrote this beautiful "answer song" to Norwegian Wood...


4th Time Around

Bob Dylan - 4th Time Around


Bob Dylan - "4th Time Around" (Mono)



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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2012, 02:35:26 AM »

Could you make Al some questions when you met him?

And they respected each other.  Bob Dylan wrote this beautiful "answer song" to Norwegian Wood...


4th Time Around

Bob Dylan - 4th Time Around


I've read that John wasn't very happy with that answer...
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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2012, 02:53:44 AM »

Could you make Al some questions when you met him?

I could barely say "hello."     ;D



I've read that John wasn't very happy with that answer...

I have a hard time following John's logic in several of his interviews.  He should have felt flattered!  As for me, I consider both songs brilliant.
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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2012, 01:54:35 PM »

I could barely say "hello."     ;D

And "goodbye"? ;D

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I have a hard time following John's logic in several of his interviews.  He should have felt flattered!  As for me, I consider both songs brilliant.

John changed like a chameleon, so even he might not have found logic in his words. However he sometimes said some interesting things that had a good effect on me (like following messages instead of leaders), and I keep those words.

About Bob Dylan, John seemed to have lost interest in his work after Blonde On Blonde or even before, as he said in 1980:

PLAYBOY: "Were you a Dylan fan?"

LENNON: "No, I stopped listening to Dylan with both ears after 'Highway 64' [sic] and 'Blonde on Blonde,' and even then it was because George would sit me down and make me listen."
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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2012, 07:07:08 PM »

PLAYBOY: "Were you a Dylan fan?"

LENNON: "No, I stopped listening to Dylan with both ears after 'Highway 64' [sic] and 'Blonde on Blonde,' and even then it was because George would sit me down and make me listen."


Or so he said.
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« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2012, 03:20:39 AM »

Here in Argentina there's a very famous version of "I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better" by Charly García. He translated the lyrics to Spanish.

Me siento mucho mejor - Charly García


Charly is a huge fan of the Beatles. The first song he heard was "There's A Place" in 1963 and then he became a beatlemaniac. Here's his live rendition of the song:

Charly Garcia - There's a place
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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2012, 04:44:30 PM »

Mr. Tambourine Man - I’ve always said Dylan songs were better when sung by other artists and this is certainly a good example. A classic 60’s staple song here. Love the vocals and guitar sounds. Will always be a great song.

I’ll Feel A Whole Lot Better - I’ve always loved this song. This was one of the songs I used to warm up on the drums with along with others. Love the guitar solo. Nothing fancy, but fit the song perfectly. Love this tune.

Spanish Harlem Incident - Not one of my favorites. Harmonies are the best part, but it doesn’t do too much for me overall. The drums are kind of sloppy too. Oh well. Bob could have kept this one.

You Wont Have To Cry - ‘You Cant Do That’s’ twin, but not as good. I like this tune though. It has a nice beat that keeps it moving forward and the drums are fun to play to it. Pleasant song.

Here Without You - Probably my favorite song on the album. Has a darker, mood to it. Love the harmonies and really dig the drummer on the ride throughout. Love this song.

The Bells Of Rhymney - Opening guitar reminds me of ‘If I Needed Someone’. Kind of a boring tune all in all. Just kind of plods along for me. Not one of my favorites, but its alright.

All I Really Want To Do - Is this song on every 60’s Greatest Hits? I must have this song on 10 different CD’s. it’s a good one. I personally love the middle part, but the whole tune is pretty decent. I like it. Pretty cool bass line too.

Its No Use - Love the bass on this song. Its just really pronounced and he jams on it. Probably my 2nd favorite tune on the record. Drummer jams too. Love the harmonies. Great song, but does have a sloppy guitar solo. Lol.

Don’t Doubt Yourself Babe - The off beat trambourine facinates me for some reason, but this song is one of the weaker ones in my opinion. Not enough umph. More sound from the drum toms would have made this song a contender, but they are lost in the mix. The echo guitar blows too. Ehhh.

Chains Of Freedom - This one is another that just kind of plods along. it’s a decent song, but it sounds like something they have already done a thousand times before. Just a straight four throughout. Still an alright song, just nothing special.

We’ll meet Again - The ‘Some Sunny Day ay ay ay’ kind of kills it for me. Bad guitar solo too. Sorry to say, but this isn’t one of may favorites either, but that doesn’t make it bad.  it’s a slower song that has a fell good vibe. Not bad.


Strong album overall. I will warn some though that the Byrds have their own sound and all their tunes sound alike in my opinion. That’s not a bad thing though. I like their sound. Fantastic folk rock here. Even the songs that I’m not that keen on are inoffensive and enjoyable enough. This is a record you throw on and just let it play. There should be no skipping. I’m anxious to listen to their other efforts now.

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« Reply #34 on: September 08, 2012, 02:30:21 AM »

Mr. Tambourine Man - I’ve always said Dylan songs were better when sung by other artists and this is certainly a good example. A classic 60’s staple song here. Love the vocals and guitar sounds. Will always be a great song.

I’ll Feel A Whole Lot Better - I’ve always loved this song. This was one of the songs I used to warm up on the drums with along with others. Love the guitar solo. Nothing fancy, but fit the song perfectly. Love this tune.

Spanish Harlem Incident - Not one of my favorites. Harmonies are the best part, but it doesn’t do too much for me overall. The drums are kind of sloppy too. Oh well. Bob could have kept this one.

You Wont Have To Cry - ‘You Cant Do That’s’ twin, but not as good. I like this tune though. It has a nice beat that keeps it moving forward and the drums are fun to play to it. Pleasant song.

Here Without You - Probably my favorite song on the album. Has a darker, mood to it. Love the harmonies and really dig the drummer on the ride throughout. Love this song.

The Bells Of Rhymney - Opening guitar reminds me of ‘If I Needed Someone’. Kind of a boring tune all in all. Just kind of plods along for me. Not one of my favorites, but its alright.

All I Really Want To Do - Is this song on every 60’s Greatest Hits? I must have this song on 10 different CD’s. it’s a good one. I personally love the middle part, but the whole tune is pretty decent. I like it. Pretty cool bass line too.

Its No Use - Love the bass on this song. Its just really pronounced and he jams on it. Probably my 2nd favorite tune on the record. Drummer jams too. Love the harmonies. Great song, but does have a sloppy guitar solo. Lol.

Don’t Doubt Yourself Babe - The off beat trambourine facinates me for some reason, but this song is one of the weaker ones in my opinion. Not enough umph. More sound from the drum toms would have made this song a contender, but they are lost in the mix. The echo guitar blows too. Ehhh.

Chains Of Freedom - This one is another that just kind of plods along. it’s a decent song, but it sounds like something they have already done a thousand times before. Just a straight four throughout. Still an alright song, just nothing special.

We’ll meet Again - The ‘Some Sunny Day ay ay ay’ kind of kills it for me. Bad guitar solo too. Sorry to say, but this isn’t one of may favorites either, but that doesn’t make it bad.  it’s a slower song that has a fell good vibe. Not bad.


Strong album overall. I will warn some though that the Byrds have their own sound and all their tunes sound alike in my opinion. That’s not a bad thing though. I like their sound. Fantastic folk rock here. Even the songs that I’m not that keen on are inoffensive and enjoyable enough. This is a record you throw on and just let it play. There should be no skipping. I’m anxious to listen to their other efforts now.

Good review tkitna, it made me revise some details on some songs. You just forgot to write something about "I Knew I'd Want You", one of my favorite songs actually. I'm glad that you liked the album.

If you're looking for more Byrds' records, my word is that their first four albums are the most essential. But according to your music tastes you may also like their fifth album, The Notorious Byrd Brothers, since it's their most psychedelic work. After that, the band lineup and style were heavily transmuted: Sweetheart Of The Rodeo is pure Country Rock, you won't get nothing from it if you don't like the genre; Dr. Byrds And Mr. Hyde makes honor to its name, as it's a messy album that mixes Country with Acid Rock; and Ballad Of Easy Rider is a pretty pleasant record, a return to the Folk Rock origins.
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« Reply #35 on: September 08, 2012, 03:01:06 AM »

All I Really Want To Do

Bob Dylan All I want To Do


The Byrds - All I Really Want to Do (Top of the Pops - 1965)


Cher - All I Really Want To Do (Shindig! 1965)
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« Reply #36 on: September 08, 2012, 03:08:28 AM »

Go, Cher!!


She really sang that well.
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« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2012, 03:18:55 AM »

You just forgot to write something about "I Knew I'd Want You", one of my favorite songs actually.

Your right. Totally missed typing that one, but its a popular one thats on a ton of Greatest Hits too. Great cover. I've listened to The Notorious Byrd Brothers and do like it, but dont own it. I just got a short stack of CD's in the mail the other day and have to wade through them for awhile, but once i'm done, I think i'll order up 'Turn, Turn, Turn' to keep up with the reviews. Its not like I wont enjoy it.  ha2ha

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« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2012, 03:29:57 AM »

Your right. Totally missed typing that one, but its a popular one thats on a ton of Greatest Hits too. Great cover. I've listened to The Notorious Byrd Brothers and do like it, but dont own it. I just got a short stack of CD's in the mail the other day and have to wade through them for awhile, but once i'm done, I think i'll order up 'Turn, Turn, Turn' to keep up with the reviews. Its not like I wont enjoy it.  ha2ha

Don't worry, I'll try not to go so fast with the reviews! ;D

If you want to, try to order up Younger Than Yesterday as well, I think it's their best album. So you will own their first four classic albums (as you already have Fifth Dimension).
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« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2012, 11:11:18 PM »

Chimes Of Freedom

Bob Dylan - Chimes of freedom


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