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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2013, 12:00:14 PM »

Well, I'm sure your mom was right.  After all, your mother should know.
Not this time! She didn't think it was the Beatles!
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2013, 11:09:47 PM »

I quite like the song.
But I think it demonstrates why McCartney can get up folks noses sometimes. It's as if he's woken up, noticed the trend towards blues based rock and thought  "I'll write a blues based rock song", and bang the boy knocks out a number 1 hit.
Now this is a rare talent which few of us on this earth possess. But it can mean that at times his music can seem disingenious. Sometimes he lacks soul. So it is with Lady madonna. It lacks heart.

Thats very interesting Kevin....... and it got me wondering if this has something to do with me not being a fan of Paul's solo work ie the other Beatles wernt there to give it some heart  ???
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2013, 12:23:05 AM »

But it can mean that at times his music can seem disingenious. Sometimes he lacks soul. So it is with Lady madonna. It lacks heart.

too simple to say it was an issue with McCartney and how he could "pop" one out.  If every song out of a songwriter was gut wrenching and emotional from the heart that performer would be dead rather quickly and his/her fans would also be bored with the same "voice".  John and George certainly have plenty of soulful songs to their credit.  They also have beautifully disingenuous songs like Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite (John gets a ton of credit for copying lyrics from a circus poster) to name one.  Having multiple tones or voices is one of the incredible talents I love about each of them.  There are days I would rather hear Lady Madonna than something more soulful.  Other days it doesn't necessarily fit the mood and Let it Be does (for instance).
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2013, 06:43:22 AM »

too simple to say it was an issue with McCartney and how he could "pop" one out.  If every song out of a songwriter was gut wrenching and emotional from the heart that performer would be dead rather quickly and his/her fans would also be bored with the same "voice".  John and George certainly have plenty of soulful songs to their credit.  They also have beautifully disingenuous songs like Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite (John gets a ton of credit for copying lyrics from a circus poster) to name one.  Having multiple tones or voices is one of the incredible talents I love about each of them.  There are days I would rather hear Lady Madonna than something more soulful.  Other days it doesn't necessarily fit the mood and Let it Be does (for instance).

yes...good points :)
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2013, 11:44:27 AM »

I think McCartney at his best is untouchable. But no one is perfect, and if I had to criticise him for something it is that you hear nothing of the man in his songs. That doesn't mean he doesn't make great, amazing music.
But i do get the feeling that he can write great songs in his sleep ( reckons he did with Yesterday.) I just wish that sometimes he would bare his soul a little. Not saying he has to do it all the time, or that all great music has to have some inner emotion. ( but maybe it does)
McCartney can be a little Stock-Aitken-Waterman sometimes. Great tunes, but strangely heartless. As I've said before I wouldn't put Paul on at 2 am. But I would on a nice sunny day.
And I agree, The Beatles are at their best when John and Paul's styles are contrasted, like Paul's pure pop of Penny Lane and Hello Goodbye against John's haunting Strawberry Fields and I Am The Walrus. Rock and roll genius.
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2013, 12:12:44 PM »

Thats very interesting Kevin....... and it got me wondering if this has something to do with me not being a fan of Paul's solo work ie the other Beatles wernt there to give it some heart  ???

Hi mate. Yes, and I think it works both ways. If some find Paul on his own just a little too relentlessly chipper, then some find John's constant self pitying and George's cloying sanctimonity  equalling as off putting.
But put them together...and hey presto.
Like I've said before, if you gather the best songs from their contemporary 70's albums (not the performances, but the songs themselves performed by the lads) and I think you would end up with a very respectable Beatle's album.
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2013, 02:24:26 PM »

I think McCartney at his best is untouchable. But no one is perfect, and if I had to criticise him for something it is that you hear nothing of the man in his songs.

Im wondering if this is why my favourite McCartney solo album is McCartney

I suspect that we did see glimpses of the real him on that album, I think its definitely the most personal album of his, maybe it was the working on his own without seemingly a care in the world for No 1 hits or commercialisation or catchy poppy tunes, the album doesnt even sound finished as far as production goes. But for me it has a sense of honesty & realism, a sort of 'this is me and where Im at' .....this is a kind of introspective Paul that I really dig.
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #27 on: April 07, 2013, 01:41:14 AM »

Im wondering if this is why my favourite McCartney solo album is McCartney

I suspect that we did see glimpses of the real him on that album, I think its definitely the most personal album of his, maybe it was the working on his own without seemingly a care in the world for No 1 hits or commercialisation or catchy poppy tunes, the album doesnt even sound finished as far as production goes. But for me it has a sense of honesty & realism, a sort of 'this is me and where Im at' .....this is a kind of introspective Paul that I really dig.

Yes!  Several songs on McCartney were personal like The Lovely Linda, That Would Be Something, Every Night, Man We Was Lonely, and Maybe I'm Amazed.

I'm still trying to make sense of Kreen-Akrore forty-two years later!   ;D
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #28 on: April 07, 2013, 05:12:52 AM »

Yes!  Several songs on McCartney were personal like The Lovely Linda, That Would Be Something, Every Night, Man We Was Lonely, and Maybe I'm Amazed.

I'm still trying to make sense of Kreen-Akrore forty-two years later!   ;D

and Junk is a wonderful whimsical melody, reminds me of a rainy Sunday Autumn afternoon (evocative of that for me anyway)
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« Reply #29 on: April 07, 2013, 05:44:02 AM »

and Junk is a wonderful whimsical melody, reminds me of a rainy Sunday Autumn afternoon (evocative of that for me anyway)

I forgot about Junk.  Yes, that too!
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2013, 12:29:22 PM »

I was reading a while ago that The Beatles were always trying to make their voices (and instruments) sound different. The Pa pa pa paa's I think were an atempt to sound something like an instrument.
I listened to The Cirque CD and at the begining of LM the Paa's are isolated and they sound interesting if not really good! You can hear the individual contributions fairly clear!
I like the Paa's!
I think some of the bass on I Will was done vocally too!
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2013, 11:39:33 PM »

I was reading a while ago that The Beatles were always trying to make their voices (and instruments) sound different. The Pa pa pa paa's I think were an atempt to sound something like an instrument.
I listened to The Cirque CD and at the begining of LM the Paa's are isolated and they sound interesting if not really good! You can hear the individual contributions fairly clear!
I like the Paa's!
I think some of the bass on I Will was done vocally too!

Good points Dc. I love the Anthology version of 'Got To Get You Into My Life', where they are using the voices as an instrument.
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2013, 12:34:34 AM »

You gotta love Paul!  Look how many instruments he imitates here:


For No One

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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2013, 11:25:46 AM »

You gotta love Paul!  Look how many instruments he imitates here:


For No One

paul mccartney for no one solo acoustic performance

"Linger on" ! I never could understand what he said on the Revolver album. I seemed muddled or lost in a musical note. Cleared that one up!


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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2013, 02:34:05 AM »

"Linger on" ! I never could understand what he said on the Revolver album. I seemed muddled or lost in a musical note. Cleared that one up!

What did you think he said, Dave?    ;D
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Re: Song of the week - Lady Madonna
« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2013, 11:53:29 AM »

What did you think he said, Dave?    ;D
I never could tell! I also never really tried to find out. Some of the lyrics in Georges songs get lost to me too. Old brown Shoe is another one that is hard to pick out every word with Georges accent. It seems the song is moving faster than he can sing!
I think the kindness(s) and the (l)linger blend a bit to my ears. No biggy!
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