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I just bought a copy of the YESTERDAY... AND TODAY LP, without the jacket, but the vinyl is in NM condition...the sound is sensational!  It has the Capitol black labels with rainbow ring.  In the trail off area there is a machine stamp ST1 - 2553 - B8, followed by the etched #2 on side 1.  Side 2 has the machine stamp ST2 - 2553 - B8, without the etched #2.  Please let me know which pressing this LP would have been a part of, as I will be on the look-out for the corresponding jacket for this LP, and I want to make certain that I have the correct jacket for this vinyl record.  Thanks for your input!
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Hi.
Not sure about the machine stamp codes but one thing you can use to check the age is the writing around the edge of the label. There are 4 types ...

1) First issues and reissues up until mid-1968 will have writing only around the bottom one-third at the edge of the black part of the label.

2) In mid-68 the rim print was lengthened so that it took up the bottom half of the label.

3) The rainbow labels were then brought back by Capitol in 1980. These 80s reissues have a lot longer text around the rim - it runs almost all the way round the edge of the black part.

4) Even later rainbow label reissues have the text actually inside the rainbow section.

So you should be able to tell if you have a first pressing or a later reissue, which should narrow things down in your hunt for the matching cover.

Upload a scan of the label if you can.

Hope this helps,

Pete
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Hi Pete,

Thanks for your reply...looks like I have a first pressing, or a reissue up until mid-1968.

Thanks again for your invaluable input.

Best,

Frank
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Hi Frank.
You definitely have a disc from 1966-1968. This copy of the album could have come in the rare butcher sleeve, the rare paste-over trunk sleeve or the much more common trunk sleeve with no butcher cover underneath. There are also slightly later trunk sleeves which will have a "Gold Record Award" insignia printed in gold on the front cover.
Obviously you will be looking for a stereo cover to match your stereo record.

Have a look in the run-out groove of the vinyl and see if there is another symbol stamped anywhere - like a triangle, a circle, a triangle with a line at one end or maybe an asterisk shape. These give a clue as to where in the US the record was pressed.
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Hi Pete,

Thanks so much for all of the information you have been so kind to provide regarding the authenticity of this LP.  I had a look at the run-out groove, and it indeed has a circle...faint but definitely visible.  Please do let me know what significance this circle has as it relates to the pressing of this LP.  I have attached an image of the section of the run-out groove that shows the circle...again, faint but definitely visible in person.

Thanks again, Pete!

Frank
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The circle pressed into the run-out groove indicates that your record was pressed at Capitol's Jacksonville, Illinois pressing plant.

The other symbols you see on Capitol pressings are ...

Triangle with letters IAM inside - Scranton, PA
Asterisk - Los Angeles, CA
Triangle with line extending from one corner - Winchester, VA

I know that on the back sleeves of US Beatles LPs there are small numbers indicating where the sleeves were printed. I don't know, however, what number you'd have to look out for to get an exact match to your Jacksonville vinyl.
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Great...thanks for taking the time to help me put the pieces of the puzzle together.  With the information you have provided, I can now search the Internet in an attempt to narrow down the options I have regarding which jacket would best be suited for this LP.

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The cheapest option for you would be to get a copy with the trunk copy sleeve from eBay where the vinyl is in poor shape. You should get it for a reasonable price because most collectors will be looking for good quality vinyl copies.

Also, you will need the correct inner sleeve, which should have pictures of various Capitol albums from 1966 ....



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Excellent idea regarding searching the ebay listings for a nice trunk jacket and inner sleeve...thanks for posting an image of the inner sleeve.  I'll keep you posted...
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Also, you will need the correct inner sleeve, which should have pictures of various Capitol albums from 1966 ....






Peter,

Many years ago I was tempted to replace my Beatles albums' inner sleeves with archival plastic-lined white paper sleeves.  Something told me not to do it.  I'm glad I didn't.

Barry
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Hi Barry.
Yes, those original Capitol inners are great - much better to look at than the original UK Parlophone ones, which were standard EMI white sleeves (until 1967 when the Beatles commissioned the wavy red custom inner for Sgt Pepper).

There's a whole article about the Capitol inners here ....

http://heroinc.hostingsiteforfree.com/btls/inner2.htm

It's funny to look at the easy-listening artists that Capitol was advertising in 1966 when I'm sure most Beatles fans wouldn't be interested in them in the slightest!

Pete
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Great commentaries, guys.  Learning a lot from the masters as I continue my search for that special jacket that will be compatible with my LP.

Frank
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Hi Barry.
Yes, those original Capitol inners are great - much better to look at than the original UK Parlophone ones, which were standard EMI white sleeves (until 1967 when the Beatles commissioned the wavy red custom inner for Sgt Pepper).

There's a whole article about the Capitol inners here ....

http://heroinc.hostingsiteforfree.com/btls/inner2.htm

It's funny to look at the easy-listening artists that Capitol was advertising in 1966 when I'm sure most Beatles fans wouldn't be interested in them in the slightest!

Pete


Right, Pete.  I remember looking at the artists and LPs shown on the earliest of The Beatles Capitol sleeves and not being the slightest bit interested.  The "Teen Set" sleeves that came later on were a whole lot better!
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Right, Pete.  I remember looking at the artists and LPs shown on the earliest of The Beatles Capitol sleeves and not being the slightest bit interested.  The "Teen Set" sleeves that came later on were a whole lot better!


Yeah, considering Capitol had artists like The Beatles and The Beach Boys on their roster it is strange to see them advertising Nat King Cole and Al Martino in 1966.

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