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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2005, 02:45:34 AM »

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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #41 on: January 12, 2005, 03:19:43 AM »

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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #42 on: January 12, 2005, 03:20:07 AM »

Uh, I hope people know I'm quoting there.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #43 on: January 12, 2005, 03:23:43 AM »

lol people would think you were nasty if they didnt know the song
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #44 on: January 12, 2005, 03:32:35 AM »

Heh, that's why I had to clarify! We're not all Floyd fans around here!
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2005, 03:39:07 AM »

who aint a floyd fan?  point em out
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2005, 03:44:05 AM »

Mr. Charlie. I'll pick him since he's not around here to defend himself anymore.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2005, 03:53:26 PM »

I wouldn't blame Robbie for Manuel's suicide.  Manuel had a long history of addiction and self-destructive behavior.  He hung himself by a belt (I think) from a motel shower-curtain-bar.  (How that managed to hold is amazing to me--he must have been near passed out drunk).  So the story's pretty pathetic. 

And I guess from Levon's p.o.v. (Levon being one of the first people to discover Manuel's body) the question would be: why are we playing these chump-change gigs when we used to play coliseums?  Again, not Robbie's fault. 

I just think there's some questions about Robbie writing that "Angel" song when he didn't seem concerned to do too much to help Manuel and the rest out when they were sinking lower and lower.  Again, not Robbie's job.

But it does make it kinda hard to like him.   

Even though I love his songs. 
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« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2005, 08:06:15 PM »

But what was he supposed to do if he didn't want to be a part of the group anymore? If Paul hung himself after John left would we blame John? I don't get what else Robbie could have done except rejoin them. They could have gone on and did other things in a new band instead of continuing as The Band.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2005, 03:57:33 PM »

[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=othermusic,m=1103116091,s=1 date=1103150141]gimme shelter and the song remains the same werent that good.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #50 on: January 15, 2005, 03:59:06 PM »

Gimme Shelter & The Song Remains The Same are 100% better than The Last Waltz anytime. 


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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #51 on: January 15, 2005, 04:03:25 PM »

[quote by=Usher_Masher link=Blah.pl?b=othermusic,m=1103116091,s=50 date=1105804746]Gimme Shelter & The Song Remains The Same are 100% better than The Last Waltz anytime.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2005, 04:04:59 PM »

The Music and the atmosphere is better
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2005, 05:18:08 PM »

[quote by=Usher_Masher link=Blah.pl?b=othermusic,m=1103116091,s=52 date=1105805099]The Music and the atmosphere is better[/quote]

The classic performances by Neil Young, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan & the Band are great but TLW is highly overrated as a concert documentary by movie critics & some classic rock fans but GS & TSRTS are a whole lot better.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2005, 05:32:09 PM »

Kids are alright is better than TLWaltz....but its not a concert documnetary
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2005, 05:33:24 PM »

[quote by=TurnMeOnDeadman link=Blah.pl?b=othermusic,m=1103116091,s=54 date=1105810329]Kids are alright is better than TLWaltz....but its not a concert documnetary[/quote]

I agree.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2005, 11:16:31 PM »

[quote by=TurnMeOnDeadman link=Blah.pl?b=othermusic,m=1103116091,s=54 date=1105810329]Kids are alright is better than TLWaltz....but its not a concert documnetary[/quote]

Yes I agree, but I maintain that TLW beats GS and the song remains the same. 
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #57 on: January 17, 2005, 11:11:14 AM »

[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=othermusic,m=1103116091,s=56 date=1105830991]

Yes I agree, but I maintain that TLW beats GS and the song remains the same.
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2005, 04:57:53 AM »

Maccalvr: I agree.  Robbie ain't to blame for Manuel's suicide.   But you need to read Levon's book (which I don't think Robertson has ever publicly disputed) re. the corporate decision to "kill" The Band (and effectively prevent the others from continuing as an entity).  I wish the Band had had found another great singer-songwriter to write songs for them.  Or a team of songwriters.  Or do albums with specific artists.  Like Van Morrison and the Band (much like Van's album with the Chieftains).  The closest they came to that was Neil Young's On the Beach--which has some badass drumming and bassplaying.  One song left over from the sessions was included on Neil's Hawks and Doves and is really eerie, weird and great.  Can't remember the title off the top of my head.  But it shows what might have been . . . .   

I guess what I find frustrating (and what Levon complains about) is that this great musical unit was shut down (for a big payday which never materialized and a supposed movie career for Robbie--notice how "made up" he looks in the film compared to the other guys?  Especially with that disco-stu scarf.  I'm glad he wasn't wearing that on the cover of the brown album).  Ironically, Levon had a bigger career as an actor than Robbie--and I think he did it just to spite him. 

Can you imagine writing for voices like Levon, Rick and Richard?  And having Garth Hudson around to tinker with atmosphere.  That's what seems like a crazy no-brainer to me.  Personally, I think Robbie was written out by about 1971 and only wrote a couple of great songs after that.   I don't care much for his overproduced 80s stuff.  The Band's 90s stuff (even without Richard) has a lot more bounce.   Too bad they didn't do a whole album of John Hiatt's stuff . . . .

Oh well, enough rant. 

Wayne L. , I like your topics. 
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Re: The Last Waltz
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2005, 01:05:31 AM »

Yeah they would have been sweet collaborating with Van, if he could stay with the more rock side rather than some of his more Lord is good efforts.
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