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Mr Mustard

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Re: Bob Dylan!
« Reply #500 on: August 29, 2014, 11:18:46 PM »

Ahhh Bob Dylan....

Born in Minneapolis, a precocious talent but moody/unpredictable, at times reclusive. Vastly influential but others had bigger, better loved commercial hits with his songs ("All Along The Watch Tower", "Mighty Quinn", "Mr Tambourine Man" etc) than he did. Frequently monosyllabic/uncommunicative on stage between numbers, wrapped up in himself and treading the tightrope between sulky a**hole and temperamental genius.

Will we ever see his like again?

Ahhh, Prince.....

Born in Minneapolis, a precocious talent but moody/unpredictable, at times reclusive. Vastly influential but others had bigger, better loved commercial hits with his songs ("Nothing Compares 2 U", "Manic Monday", "Kiss" etc) than he did. Frequently monosyllabic/uncommunicative on stage between numbers, wrapped up in himself and treading the tightrope between sulky a**hole and temperamental genius.

I've heard they met but didn't get on...though other reports I've read suggest a mutual respect at least. Certainly listening to Prince's "Raspberry Beret" or playing his "Fury" back to back with Bob's "All Along The Watch Tower" I sense there is a powerful congruity at work.

I don't personally "get" either of them much, but I respect and acknowledge their talent and influence.
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Re: Bob Dylan!
« Reply #501 on: August 30, 2014, 12:02:09 AM »

Ahhh Bob Dylan....

Born in Minneapolis, a precocious talent but moody/unpredictable, at times reclusive. Vastly influential but others had bigger, better loved commercial hits with his songs ("All Along The Watch Tower", "Mighty Quinn", "Mr Tambourine Man" etc) than he did. Frequently monosyllabic/uncommunicative on stage between numbers, wrapped up in himself and treading the tightrope between sulky a**hole and temperamental genius.

Will we ever see his like again?

He's definitely a one off our bob. I love lots of his stuff but I'm the first to admit he doesn't make it easy on his fans.  He comes across as a grudging performer. The way he twists his voice makes him an easy target for non-fans to slag him off (always to those of us who do like him). The thing is his voice could sound soft and pleasant on some recordings. I'm thinking of examples like Tomorrow is a Long Time, Lay Lady Lay etc. He didn't have to sound tuneless and toneless.

And while his songwriting got more obtuse during the 60s his lucid simpler lyrics always worked really well for me. Songs like The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll and Boots if Spanish Leather and If You See Her Say Hello can still bring a lump to my throat.

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Re: Bob Dylan!
« Reply #502 on: August 30, 2014, 07:41:17 AM »

I think the clever money on Bob is to:
(a) avoid anything he made after the 60s (OK, apart from 'Blood On The Tracks' if you must, but purely as the exception to the rule),
(b) avoid and disregard 99% of the literature written about him,
(c) see him as a pop star more than a sage, and,
(d) never, but never, ever, shell out far too much money to see him live (but then that applies to virtually everyone in 2014). The time to see him live was from 1961 to 1966. Even the Isle of Wight in 1969 is, alas, too late.

I do, however, find it strange that Beatles fans can be so ambivalent towards him.
The Beatles are Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan is The Beatles.

If you like 'Paperback Writer' how on earth can you dislike 'Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window'?
There's barely a cigarette paper between the two!
'For No One' - 'To Ramona' / 'I Threw It All Away' - 'Something' / 'Rain' - 'Maggie's Farm' etc. etc.

Some of the Dylan songs sound like Dylan songs, some of the Beatles songs sound like Dylan songs!
They were the same age, they were breathing the same air.
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Re: Bob Dylan!
« Reply #503 on: August 30, 2014, 10:27:54 AM »

I think the clever money on Bob is to:
(a) avoid anything he made after the 60s (OK, apart from 'Blood On The Tracks' if you must, but purely as the exception to the rule),


Have to stop you there OBS. Bob's recent Christmas album is an annual fav with me. How can you not love Bob croaking out Oh Come All ye Faithful. With a Latin verse no less.
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Re: Bob Dylan!
« Reply #504 on: August 30, 2014, 06:02:47 PM »

My attitude towards Bob Dylan has always been full of contradictions, just like the man himself. But now I'm at the point where I just take him on a song by song basis. Some of his work resonates with me on a level that's powerful enough to allow me to overlook the things that make me think "Seriously Bob?".
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Re: Bob Dylan!
« Reply #505 on: August 30, 2014, 08:10:51 PM »



I do, however, find it strange that Beatles fans can be so ambivalent towards him.
The Beatles are Bob Dylan, Bob Dylan is The Beatles.


With respect OBS, that is nonsense. Dylan is no more The Beatles than Monty Python are. All are contemporaries who grew up at the same time and are (irritatingly) frequently lumped together by commentators who should know better... but in stark terms of output/product, they are nothing like each other. The Beatles dallied with a Dylanesque influence but they're no more like him than they are like The Shirelles and they are vastly (yes, vastly) better than either.

No "ambivalence" from THIS Beatles fan towards Bob... I think he is very overrated, though his influence (including on the fabs) is undeniable. Chuck Berry had a massive influence on the proto-Beatles but for what it's worth I think he's very overrated too. But that's just my opinion, there is no definitive "right" or "wrong" here, although I do get a bit irked when people learn I'm a big Beatles fan and assume I therefore surely also really like Dylan (which kind of bolsters your assertion, come to think of it!) But I know a number of Dylan fans who respect but dislike The Beatles, and several Beatles fans who acknowledge but don't care for Bob.

Paul actually WAS a Beatle, which Bob will never be, so I'm firmly in the school of Wings being far more relevant in "Beatle" terms than Dylan or Brian Wilson or any of the rest are. I know you kind of mentally "ring fence" the sixties and so link them as an entity to their contemporaries, and I respect that. But for me they were John, Paul, George, Ringo + that intangible magic - OK, that magical "something" evaporated when they went their separate ways but a vestige of "Beatleyness" remained in each of them forever after. I'd play "Ringo's Rotogravure" in preference to "Blonde On Blonde" every time (seriously).


If you like 'Paperback Writer' how on earth can you dislike 'Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window'?

Very easily! The first is irresistible and expertly sung with fast, jangly guitars & drums. The second is much more reminiscent of a Paul Simon type number, with a more plodding rhythm and (I'm going to have to say it) badly sung. I could be kind and call Bob's vocals an idiosyncratic/acquired taste but I'd be pandering to the Emperor's clothes mentality which holds him in such awe, but for me, he's a lousy singer, simple as that. And one of THE greatest things about The Beatles was their emphasis on vocals, and their accessibility. Bob is very hard work; they never were.

If I had to sum up the big difference between them I'd say The Beatles were very charismatic whereas Dylan was very enigmatic. They were at least his equal in terms of influence and "credibility", but they also had a string of number one hits to their CV and an easy to love aura about them; Bob had neither, even though I accept he couldn't care less.
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Re: Bob Dylan!
« Reply #506 on: August 31, 2014, 01:28:57 PM »

I can see the big attraction to mid sixties Dylan. He's a punk on a street corner with his guitar, snarling at the world. How many kids heard him and thought I cando that! That Dylan showed you didn't need a "good" voice or be technically proficient at your instrument is a revelation. His impact upon popular music is, as with The Beatles and Elvis, beyond measure.
I can see why Beatle fans don't like him. There's no jangling guitar or sweet harmonies, and his lyrics can be a little inaccessible. But over-rated! Dylan! I cannot agree.
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