Great song & drumming by Ringo

[Hello Goodbye]

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Another reason I value my Beatles LPs I purchased when they were released.

[nimrod]

Good points Moog, l really can't listen to that Ringo track, way too clinical for me, but I'm a dinosaur, it's only my opinion.

I still like the remastered stuff though, brings clarity to real recordings.

[Moogmodule]

Good points Moog, l really can't listen to that Ringo track, way too clinical for me, but I'm a dinosaur, it's only my opinion.

I still like the remastered stuff though, brings clarity to real recordings.

Me too. I like all the remix and remastering. Not necessarily better. Just another way of listening to it with fresh ears.

[nimrod]

Me too. I like all the remix and remastering. Not necessarily better. Just another way of listening to it with fresh ears.

I like remastering, and replastering  ha2ha

[Moogmodule]

I like remastering, and replastering  ha2ha

You have to remix the plaster first

[Hello Goodbye]

I like remastering, and replastering  ha2ha

You have to remix the plaster first

https://youtu.be/UPBd8eHQqIw

[tkitna]

Good points Moog, l really can't listen to that Ringo track, way too clinical for me, but I'm a dinosaur, it's only my opinion.

I still like the remastered stuff though, brings clarity to real recordings.

I dont know.  Pro Tools has its place.  The Beatles sure could have used it on some of their recordings throughout the years.  I enjoy some warts and blemishes to a point, but if something can be improved upon, why not do it?

[Moogmodule]

I dont know.  Pro Tools has its place.  The Beatles sure could have used it on some of their recordings throughout the years.  I enjoy some warts and blemishes to a point, but if something can be improved upon, why not do it?

Oh yeah I really like pro tools.  And for home studios it's a boon. The quality of sound you can get with even rudimentary equipment is incredible. You can certainly use it and other software like any recording system and use the features to tweak here and there. Just have to be careful not to not to fall in love with all the things you can do and sap the life out of the music.

I think also people now have different expectations of recorded music. Genres like the various dance genres are usually fully synthesised so the sound is always pristine and every note precisely in its place. Not surprising when you can hear music with that clarity people start to expect it in all music they listen to. So it's not just the equipment, many people want to hear that sound.

[Hello Goodbye]

To me, the sound I hear playing my original, and now over 50- year old Beatles LPs on my mid-level stereo system and turntable is the sound I enjoy most.  The warmth of the sound provided by well-cared for vinyl LPs is so much more enjoyable than my 30 year-old CDs.

Remastering is okay with me too and I do like my 2009 STEREO and MONO box sets for casual listening.  But I don't like the idea of remixing.  I prefer to hear what I know The Beatles heard when they attending the engineering sessions at the studios.  Remixing can go overboard as I think it did with the Love album which I listened to once and has since been collecting thirteen years of dust on my shelf.  I know it won awards and Paul and Ringo said they liked it but I don't care for it at all.

[nimrod]

It's all down to personal opinion really.
But I don't like the way new music sounds it's too sterile, there's a lot of new progressive rock out, it sounds like they've used all 390 tracks lol
I was just listening before to kid Charlemagne by steely Dan it's a real pleasure to listen to the drums and bass player on that song , they were playing an awesome groove, its just so nice to know that they were actually playing it all through the song and it wasn't computerized.

[tkitna]

Bands in the 60's had Pro Tools back then, but it was called The Wrecking Crew.

[Loco Mo]

tkitna:  Well, I re-listened to the songs you listed which you stated Ringo had executed rolls in.  I think I should clarify how I think of rolls, which is in a strictly technical way.  I took lessons for a few years and progressed to self-study for a few more years before I abandoned the instrument.

Basically, I don't hear Ringo playing the types of rolls that I played under formal instruction.  Ringo is very good at the fills he creates but they don't approximate rolls to me.  I think his fills vary in tempo/speed as fits the song.  I can't say that I really hear 32nd or 64th notes in them.  One song that comes close is "Nowhere Man" in which it seems he does a few quiet closed stroke rolls on the snare drum.  He doesn't call attention to these and you probably don't hear them unless you are someone who focuses on listening to the drummer.

I enjoyed listening to the songs again.  I am surprised by the recording differences between "She loves you" and "Sie Liebt Dich."  The Beatles vocals are very prominent on the latter.  One thing about their use of stereo (stereo on Sie liebt Dich; She loves you was mono), they seemed to favor the right channel.  I think for that era stereo was seen as the separation of channels in which you would input various parts of the song.  Later on, I think people starting recognizing that spreading sound across both channels was preferable because it created a better fuller sound.  This is just my opinion though.  I could give more examples (of which there are many from the 1960s) but I don't feel up to typing so much right now.  It's probably not worth it anyway.

Thanks for reading and have a nice evening.

[Loco Mo]

I just noticed Ringo has an interesting drum pattern that resembles a roll on the remix of Oh, Darling (the Take 4 version).  It's very interesting to really hear Ringo's drumming so clearly or better than I've ever heard it before.

The only reason I'm hesitant to label some of his stuff as rolls is because they don't seem fast enough because I can hear the gaps between the single alternating strokes he does even though, I guess, they're fast enough to be called rolls.  Maybe it's just the speed issue with me.

Otherwise, I acknowledge that many of his fills are rolls.

[Loco Mo]

I don't think I've ever really "listened" to Ringo's drumming until I started reading all the comments about him on this Forum.  It makes me appreciate him all the more.

This guy just instinctively knew what to play for any type of song the Beatles came up with.  I don't know how he did it.  Maybe it's some kind of rare talent or gift like people who can play piano without ever taking a lesson.  They somehow find all the notes and remember them and know how to put them together.  Maybe Ringo was like that with the drums.  I heard it said that Buddy Rich could play anything he heard by another drummer after a single listen.  Maybe Ringo had a similar ability.  I don't know if this means he could've played like John Bonham, but who knows?  It doesn't seem that Ringo had any interest in grandstanding as a drummer.  He just wanted to play along and he did so very effectively and tastefully.

[tkitna]

Buddy Rich could play anything any other drummer could just because he was that good.  Ringo has his own style and isnt technically good enough to do that.