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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2011, 03:29:25 AM »

eleanor rigby,
picks up the rice in the church,
where her wedding has been,
lives in a dream.

the song is obviously a slam against religion.

I don't see how that's a slam against religion... :\
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2011, 02:18:43 PM »

I don't see how that's a slam against religion... :\

This is an example of why John wrote I Am The Walrus.
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2011, 09:24:06 PM »

Yeah I agree with you there Bobber!
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2011, 05:02:00 AM »

the song is obviously a slam against religion.

What?

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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2011, 05:04:19 PM »

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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2011, 05:33:33 PM »

I hear it and it makes me think about how insignificant people are. I mean, if you compare those people to The Beatles of course they don't matter. I think it takes the idea of fame and tells about how it makes ordinary people insignificant and forgotten.
Also, my teacher played for us the cover by Ray Charles- AMAZING!
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2011, 06:21:43 PM »

I don't see how that's a slam against religion... :\
pay attention.

it can be best described as a tragic bittersweet urban ballad, in the dorian mode, rather direct social commentary on organized religion.
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2011, 10:50:19 PM »

Very simply, musicologically and ethnically, The Beatles were essentially empirical melangists of a rhythmically radical yet verbally passé and temporarily transcended lyrical content, welded with historically innovative melodical material transposed and transmogrified by the angst of the Liverpool ethnic experience, which elevated them from essentially alpha exponents of, in essence, merely beta potential harmonic material, into the prime cultural exponents of Aeolian cadenzic cosmic stanza form.
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2011, 05:00:13 AM »

Here, let me simplify.

The song is not a knock against religion regardless of how somebody wants to twist it to fit their own delusions.

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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2011, 07:36:34 AM »




Better watch out for troubled priests! ;D
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2011, 07:39:25 AM »

Very simply, musicologically and ethnically, The Beatles were essentially empirical melangists of a rhythmically radical yet verbally passé and temporarily transcended lyrical content, welded with historically innovative melodical material transposed and transmogrified by the angst of the Liverpool ethnic experience, which elevated them from essentially alpha exponents of, in essence, merely beta potential harmonic material, into the prime cultural exponents of Aeolian cadenzic cosmic stanza form.

Did you quote yourself here? ;D
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #31 on: February 25, 2011, 05:25:16 PM »

Did you quote yourself here? ;D
gee whiz.. and i was gonna' dissect that monster.  ha2ha
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2011, 05:36:02 PM »

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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2011, 07:34:53 PM »

I say it's about cookies  ;yes
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2011, 07:39:10 PM »

pay attention.

it can be best described as a tragic bittersweet urban ballad, in the dorian mode, rather direct social commentary on organized religion.

Of course!
Still don't see the slam against religion tho.
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #35 on: February 25, 2011, 09:15:22 PM »

the bubblegum pop cliche is totally useless here.

Paul McCartney himself makes an oblique reference to civil rights.


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from: Zen and The Beatles' REVOLVER

Brian Wilson's comment "Did you hear the Beatles' album? Religious, right?" is often pointed to as a sure sign of craziness. However, if we give REVOLVER the Zen treatment, Brian's comment makes sense(the touring Beatles cabled EMI from Japan with the album title, REVOLVER, a pun.)


"It might surprise a lot of people to think of the Beatles as religious, especially after John Lennon's supposedy anti-religious statement which caused so much furor....after the furor died down you could interpret Lennon's quote as just a mild rebuke of organized religion. Their song Eleanor Rigby is a similar criticism. And since the Beatles are writing songs along that line, and since George Harrison is going to India to study music (which is intimately connected with Indian philosophy and religion), and since..."

~Tom Nolan, "The Frenzied Frontier of Pop Music,"

Los Angeles Times WEST magazine, Nov.1966.

"Eleanor Rigby" is an unfavorable comment on traditional Western religion.


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"Eleanor Rigby" is yet another haunting ghost story. In this ghost story, the ghosts were both dead while they were still alive, then one of the ghosts (Father McKenzie) buried the other ghost (Eleanor Rigby). This song contains powerful, moving commentary on the inadequacy of love and religion to make some people happy.
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #36 on: February 25, 2011, 09:58:47 PM »

i have to agree (and many people have) that this song contains commentaries on organized religion aka the church
specifically:
"writing the words to a sermon that no one will hear"
- i'd read several places that that was taken as a double meaning - the priest's lonliness- but also the declining membership / attendance of the church
this goes along with the bigger than jesus comment and was kind of a talked about issue in the mid 60s as the church started to lose social influence.
also, "no one was saved" was taken by some as an organized religion dig
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there are so many conflicting stories about the origins of eleanor rigby's lyrics . .
paul has said he was inspired by visiting old age homes as a child and seeing lonely elderly people....
john had claimed to write 70% of the lyrics.... paul and john's friend pete shotton refuted that... then there are accounts that george and ringo had a part in the lyrics....
ringo is accredited with "sermon that no one will hear" and "darning his socks"
george is accredited with "all the lonely people"
- the idea of the priest and eleanor both being in the last verse at eleanor's funeral was suggested by pete shotton, (according to paul)
supposedly paul's original concept had eleanor and the preist linking up romantically in the last verse
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kind of weird that there was a grave with the name but E.R.  - with a grave marked mckenzie nearby and it was claimed to be a random combination of help actress eleanor brauns first name and a wine store named rigby . .with mckenzie being a name at random from a phone book  etc etc etc
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awesome song
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #37 on: September 08, 2012, 03:58:47 AM »

Give My Regards to Broadstreet- Eleanor Rigby
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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #38 on: September 08, 2012, 07:11:25 AM »

One of my favorite versions, but I love Kansas.

Kansas - Eleanor Rigby (with lyrics)

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Re: Eleanor Rigby
« Reply #39 on: September 08, 2012, 11:55:58 AM »

I don't see how that's a slam against religion... :\
I don't see it either.
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