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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2005, 02:34:40 PM »

Peace. :)
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2005, 02:38:46 PM »

Mmm, and acceptance of course.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2005, 03:11:56 PM »

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But you know, if people weren't killing in the name of religion, they would find some other excuse. It's human nature. We are essentially evil.




Easy tiger. ALL animals fight to protect their territory. It is the nature of things. If we are evil then so are hedgehogs and woodpeckers.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2005, 03:38:53 PM »

Oh, definitely. It's just that humans are smarter and we SHOULD know right from wrong.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2005, 04:04:03 PM »

Yes, if only. But sadly, despite all the lessons, we don't.
But I truly believe that we are prey to the same laws of nature as any other animal on this planet. And I don't think nature ( maybe God to you??? ) does  things just to p*ss us off. So maybe (not wanting to sound like a Nazi here) in the long run war does perform some useful function to our species. Technological development is one thing that springs to mind. I can't come up with any other answer.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #45 on: August 24, 2005, 04:59:52 PM »

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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #46 on: August 24, 2005, 05:02:38 PM »

I'd just like to say this really is a good discussion - great to see some decent debate that doesn't resort to an all out slanging match! ;D

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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #47 on: August 24, 2005, 05:54:47 PM »

I agree with you Al. Usually when I get into debates like this it's with a bunch of self-righteous rebellious teenagers, and it usually ends up in a personal fight.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #48 on: August 24, 2005, 05:58:23 PM »

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Yes, if only. But sadly, despite all the lessons, we don't.
But I truly believe that we are prey to the same laws of nature as any other animal on this planet. And I don't think nature ( maybe God to you??? ) does
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #49 on: August 24, 2005, 06:17:29 PM »

Wow: God gave us free will. Now that is something to think about. God (or as Kevin calls it: nature) didn't, I think. We will always be acting within the borders of nature. We will always be called back. But I will sleep a night on this one.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #50 on: August 25, 2005, 11:36:32 PM »

Being spiritual is fine--practice your faith/what or who you believe in in your own personal way and don't pontificate to others.  Organized Religion can lick my left one.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2005, 04:49:51 AM »

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practice your faith/what or who you believe in in your own personal way

What if organized religion is the way they want to practice? Some people work well that way. It's just a fan club for God, or whatever you believe in.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2005, 05:19:38 AM »

Many religions teach that you SHOULD pontificate to others, or at least spread the word. That's what it's all about. Getting the word out. At least in the Christian religions. There's a great article in Newsweek this week about Spirituality in America. Very enlightening. More people searching than you would think.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2005, 05:31:13 AM »

My theory is, if someone wants to know, then by all means give them information. But don't force anything on people.

I know this from personal experience as the Jehovah's Witnesses next door as well as my dad's friend who is a born-again, are always trying to convert us.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2005, 09:26:25 AM »

Unlucky ^
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« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2005, 05:00:48 AM »

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My theory is, if someone wants to know, then by all means give them information. But don't force anything on people.

I know this from personal experience as the Jehovah's Witnesses next door as well as my dad's friend who is a born-again, are always trying to convert us.

Well, that's what I'm saying. If people need organized religion, fine. There's alot of people that find comfort in hearing the Gospel or whatever and that's fine. There's also alot of sheep out there. Personally, I don't have a need for organized religion, having been raised on fire and brimstone Lutheran doctrine. Now you have those who were raped by 'men of the cloth' finally coming out, etc., Charlatans like the Pat Robertsons of the world. And people that need to ram their beliefs down everyone's throats. "God" has been used, abused, and manipulated in every fashion imaginable, mostly for personal gain or to hide behind. Spirituality is a personal thing, practice it, or not, as you see fit. I'm in the Jehovah Witness Protection Program by the way.
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2005, 05:56:24 AM »

I think i've been scratched off of our local Jehovah's list as I always go to the door scratching myself in nothing but my tighty whiteys. Not a pretty sight.

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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2005, 09:33:11 AM »

But hasn't religion always been organised? There aren't too many times when humans think "I'll just keep this God thing to myself." We're complex social animals and our need to share is overwhelming - look at us on this board. Every society everywhere at everytime shows its belief to God/s through some kind of organised worship. That's why I think religion probably is an evolutionary device.

I have to say though, I find the thought that the universe is the result of a series of accidents and chemical reactions as equally hard to believe.

I still pray when the sh*t hits the fan (sincerly)
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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2005, 03:03:17 PM »

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I think i've been scratched off of our local Jehovah's list as I always go to the door scratching myself in nothing but my tighty whiteys. Not a pretty sight.


Hey T, this works pretty well too:


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Re: Gotta Serve Somebody -> Serve Yourself
« Reply #59 on: August 28, 2005, 03:21:41 AM »

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Hey T, this works pretty well too:




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