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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2007, 03:44:38 AM »

what about his king features fiasco???face it the man was only in it for the money...

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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2007, 03:46:18 AM »

beatles dates has times and venues...its a red book...

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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2007, 09:37:03 AM »

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8 HOUR SHOWS IN HAMBURG down to 30-mins shoes by 66. Crazy!!!!

I think Haiheads comments are bang on. The Stones were doing only 30 minute sets in 66 also.
I wonder who broke the mould?
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 02:18:06 PM »

Help for Bobber counting hours:

According to the new Elizabeth Partridge book about John Lennon, the Beatles played "over 500 hours" after their first trip to Hamburg.  Also according to her, the Beatles were initially hired to play 4 hours during the week and 6 hours during the weekends.  However, I have a feeling that the Hamburg sessions in particular could go much longer, depending on who was wanting them to play.  So this is a pretty loose estimate to start with.

I think what we really need is a time machine so we can go back and check. *begins construction*

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The Stones were doing only 30 minute sets in 66 also.
I wonder who broke the mould?
Good info on the Stones. I'd like to learn the answer to this question, too. :)
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 02:38:22 PM »

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I think what we really need is a time machine so we can go back and check. *begins construction*
"Is there , even now, a machine to count such numbers?" Derek Taylor 8)

P.S. I hope Bobber had it!  ;D
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Good info on the Stones. I'd like to learn the answer to this question, too. :)
Some of these: Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Led Zeppelin? ... I've got no clue but it had to be by late 60s ...
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 02:44:56 PM »

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Good info on the Stones. I'd like to learn the answer to this question, too. :)

I tried to find sets for The Who on google but can't. I imagine Dylan was doing longer - but he comes from a folk background so it's probably not a fair comparison.
The underground bands like Floyd and The Grateful dead were doing monster sessions, but they weren't tours as such so again no fair.
The Doors were doing only 8 song sets in '68 on their European Tour. (which suprised me)
Maybe it was a technolgy thing - as sound systems improved and lights and pyrotechnics came in bands felt more able to put on a show - and all that expense and effort meant bands felt obliged to play more. Or maybe it was the gradual influence of bands like Pink Floyd raising the publics expectations.
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« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 03:00:10 PM »

Another thought - the average age of people who attended those '66 Stones and Beatles concerts was very young. They were happy just to scream. By the 70's bands were playing to people in their twenties, not their teenies. No screaming, higher expectations....
Like most things in life there's probably no  one simple answer.
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2007, 03:11:35 PM »

I think that one of the main reasons could be that by mid 60s there were many bands in the same tour and it was a matter of time sharing the stage  :-/ ... and that didn't happen (or not so much) by late 60s/early 70s when tours with less bands were more than a common thing and a less risky busyNess to finance (seeing the gold mine that it seemed when the biggest groups played in stadiums, more rich people wanted to get more money too  ::) ... so more different tours were offered) ... then the bands could play more songs than only their hits and so ...
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 09:39:47 PM »

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Help for Bobber counting hours:

According to the new Elizabeth Partridge book about John Lennon, the Beatles played "over 500 hours" after their first trip to Hamburg.  Also according to her, the Beatles were initially hired to play 4 hours during the week and 6 hours during the weekends.  However, I have a feeling that the Hamburg sessions in particular could go much longer, depending on who was wanting them to play.  So this is a pretty loose estimate to start with.

In the words of Python, "they use to work up 4 hours a day a week & when they got home, Brian Epstein
used to thrash them to sleep with his belt.  ;D
And you try to tell the young bands of today what the beatles did.. and they won't believe ya!! ;D
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 10:33:23 PM »

We used to dream of being thrashed to sleep with a belt...  ;D

They used to get up half an hour before they went to bed to play in Hamburg... No one believes that, either. ;)
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« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2007, 10:19:07 AM »

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I think that one of the main reasons could be that by mid 60s there were many bands in the same tour and it was a matter of time sharing the stage  :-/ ... and that didn't happen (or not so much) by late 60s/early 70s when tours with less bands were more than a common thing and a less risky busyNess to finance (seeing the gold mine that it seemed when the biggest groups played in stadiums, more rich people wanted to get more money too  ::) ... so more different tours were offered) ... then the bands could play more songs than only their hits and so ...

there was always 2 or more on a tour..........usually 5 or 6......







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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2007, 03:19:27 PM »

What a fantastic collection of posters, PC31. Thanks!
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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2007, 09:32:59 PM »

GREAT STUFF PC31!!
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2007, 05:10:09 AM »

no thanks nessitated...the beatles should thank you for being such great fans....

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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2007, 07:30:00 AM »

The first one's interesting. I never realised that they used Wembley Stadium for concerts back in 1964? Which begs the question - why the hell did The Beatles play stadiums in the US but not in the UK?
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2007, 03:14:05 PM »

they weren't on a team???

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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #38 on: May 04, 2007, 08:20:14 AM »

Funny thing is that I always read that Brian was a 'natural business talent'. Looking at the deals he made in the Beatles' history, it is quite the opposite.
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Re: Brian Epstein
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2007, 08:38:42 AM »

He was a shopkeeper! Nice bloke, I'm sure, but some of his deals were awful (apart from the 25% he gave himself). But then he was learning as he went along. They were lucky they had him regardless of his inexperience, because anyone else would have severely ripped them off.
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