From Bill Harry: I arranged for Brian to visit the Cavern and see the Beatles for the first time. He was to say "I hadn't seen the Beatles on any stage. They smoked as they played, they ate, talked and pretended to hit each other. They turned their backs on the audience and shouted at them and they laughed at private jokes." To me, that was the Beatles, it was a lot of fun, they were anarchic on stage. If they'd have kept on like that there wouldn't have been a Rolling Stones and a wrongly perceived preference by many youngsters later on that they loved the anarchic Stones in contract to the loveable moptop Beatles. Brian was right for the time, they wouldn't have been accepted by the establishment that ran the media - TV, radio, press as they were and it was only after they had been successful that the Rolling Stones were able to be manufactured by Andrew Loog Oldham.