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OK, question for the experts
« on: May 01, 2004, 10:54:56 PM »

Who plays bass on Old Brown Shoe?

In an interview George says it was him, doing his thing.

On the demo where he does indeed play bass it sounds the same, especially the bridge part that was always outstanding.

One reference I have says Paul doubles George's guitar on bass.

All the rest say it's Paul (or don't indicate at all).

We have many of the same books and reference tools but some of us have better than others.  Tho I have most of the usual ones, I'm sure someone (Maria?) here can say with a tad more certainty than what I've indicated above.

After hearing George's demo I personally think it was indeed him.  Yes, Paul played the jangly piano on the initial take, but could have overdubbed the bass the second time around.

Any thoughts?

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2004, 11:10:05 PM »

I haven't a great musical ear at all. However, for what it's worth (ie, not much) the bass never sounded quite like Paul McCartney's work to me.

What Lewisohn says (matching lead and bass guitar notes played by George and Paul) seems reasonable. The sound is very distinctive.

Old Brown Shoe is an interesting song. I've seen it panned and jeered at many times, but for me it's a wonderful gem in the Beatles jewel box. It certainly beats the socks off its mate (Ballad of J & Y).
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2004, 11:18:29 PM »

Have you heard the demo?  I just downlaoded it and I must say the bass figure Paul always gets credit for certainly sounds like what George did.

However, the doubling would certainly explain that, if Paul simply copied George's moves.

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2004, 11:36:20 PM »

You mean the Feb 25 demo, as on Anthology 3? It seems as if what you say about it is true.
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2004, 01:53:44 AM »

Is it on A3?  Geez.  I haven't listened to that in so long I can't believe I didn't even know.

Too much junk piled up in here.
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2004, 12:17:26 PM »

Walter Everett said "(...) The band, needing a B side for Ballad of John and Yoko, approached the song again on April 16, recording basic track of Harrison's slide part on Telecaster, Ringo's Drums and McCartney's jangle piano; Lennon recorded a rhytym guitar (Casino?) at the same time, but this was later wiped. That day superimpositions include Macca's Jazz Bass doubled in the bridge by Harrison's second Telecasterpart (...)"

This is an extract from The Beatles as musicians: Revolver through the Anthology.

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2004, 02:23:53 PM »

I think it was doubled by P and G, which is the same thing they did with the 'Ob-la-Di' bassline.
Any other Q's on instrumentation, i'm your man. just joined the forum, good to be here.
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2004, 04:31:36 PM »

[quote by=sissu link=Blah.pl?b=cc,m=1083452096,s=5 date=1083500246]Walter Everett said "(...) The band, needing a B side for Ballad of John and Yoko, approached the song again on April 16, recording basic track of Harrison's slide part on Telecaster, Ringo's Drums and McCartney's jangle piano; Lennon recorded a rhytym guitar (Casino?) at the same time, but this was later wiped. That day superimpositions include Macca's Jazz Bass doubled in the bridge by Harrison's second Telecasterpart (...)"

This is an extract from The Beatles as musicians: Revolver through the Anthology.

Sissu[/quote]

Thanks.  That says it all then.  I have read the second book (Revolver-) but I only own the first one.  Handy if I have a question up to Rubber Soul, but not much good for anything after!  :)
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2004, 10:40:35 AM »

I have a couple more for the experts.

What is John saying between 'I'm So Tired' and 'Blackbird'? and has it been proved what he said/

Who plays the spanish intro to 'bungalow bill'?

Does anyone know exactly what is available of the woolton village fete performance? I heard 20 seconds of 'putting on the style' with a really heavy drum sound but apparently colin hanton didn't play in the evening, so did they borrow the marching band's drummer.

Thanx in advance
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2004, 03:19:31 PM »

1.) John is just mumbling.  He never said anything about Paul being dead.

2.) It was a pretaped selection on the mellotron (the units were basically tape loops featuring various instruments).  It was none of the Beatles,.

3.)Didn't know they had any of it.  But then again, on Anthology do they run music behind the pictures?  Maybe one of the Fabs had acquired a tape from someone.
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2004, 04:34:32 PM »

1.) I agree it's just mumbling, but if you play it backwards you can actually make out 'miss him,miss him'.That doesn't convince me that Paul is dead or that Lennon intended it.

2.) Yes, it's a mellotron, but a lot of people have been taken in so don't worry if you were too.

3.) I've heard 'Puttin' on the Style' too but I'm a bit sceptical about where it comes from...
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2004, 05:18:58 PM »

The bit between 'I'm So Tired' and 'Blackbird' is just John doing an impression of someone who's had too much to drink - it's a classic Britishism. There has been SO much debate over this - just check out the What Goes On website for example! I can't believe so much has been read into it when the answer is so simple!

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2004, 06:42:51 PM »

[quote by=zipp link=Blah.pl?b=cc,m=1083452096,s=10 date=1083602072]1.) I agree it's just mumbling, but if you play it backwards you can actually make out 'miss him,miss him'.That doesn't convince me that Paul is dead or that Lennon intended it.

You can make it out because you are listening for what you were told would be there.  Turn Me On Deadman is far clearer than the Miss Him bit.

2.) Yes, it's a mellotron, but a lot of people have been taken in so don't worry if you were too.

WTF are you talking about?  Taken in with what?  It's a mellotron guitar bit loop tape.

3.) I've heard 'Puttin' on the Style' too but I'm a bit sceptical about where it comes from...[/quote]

I don't even know what this sentence means.

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2004, 06:43:35 PM »

[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=cc,m=1083452096,s=11 date=1083604738]The bit between 'I'm So Tired' and 'Blackbird' is just John doing an impression of someone who's had too much to drink - it's a classic Britishism. There has been SO much debate over this - just check out the What Goes On website for example! I can't believe so much has been read into it when the answer is so simple![/quote]


Exactly!  It sounds *vaguely* like that because we've been told beforehand what to hear, and the brain clicks to it every time.
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2004, 09:43:33 PM »

After your help with the previous questions, i have a couple more which have puzzled me for a while.

When was the last Beatles recording session at which all 4 were together. Someone told me it was 'I Want You', Aug 1969??

Also, when was the last time the four beatles breathed the same air? i.e were in the sam eplace together. I know the last photo session was at John's in 1969 but do we know the last time they were together? i have a feeling it might have been an Apple business meeting so impossible to pin down.

Any ideas??

sorry, one more. did John ever play lead on the early records? i know about 'you can't do that' but other possibilities are 'every little thing' and one of the solos on 'long tall sally'???

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2004, 10:46:35 PM »

"When was the last Beatles recording session at which all 4 were together." 20th August 1969, the recording session for I Want You (She's So Heavy)

"Also, when was the last time the four beatles breathed the same air?" As far as I can tell, it was 22nd August 1969 - their last ever photo-shoot at John's newly-acquired residence, Tittenhurst Park. The photo session for the Abbey Road sleeve took place a few weeks earlier on 8th August.

"It might have been an Apple business meeting so impossible to pin down. Any ideas?" Their last business meeting was on 20th September 1969, George was not present - he was visiting his sick Mother in Cheshire. Again, as far as I can tell, THIS was the closest they got to breathing the same air one last time!

"Did John ever play lead on the early records?" I always thought You Can't Do That was the first recorded solo of John's - might be wrong on that!

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2004, 10:46:45 PM »

thanks for that matey. let's be honest John was a pretty ropey lead player in the early days and 'Slow Down' and 'Every Little THing' solos sound ropey. He played a blinder on 'You Can't DO That' though, didn't he?

One incredibly overlooked classic!
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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2004, 12:50:24 AM »

You're welcome! I must admit, What You're Doing is one of my favourite tracks at the moment; I didn't know it was John taking the lead though - I always thought it was George trying to out-jangle the Byrds on his 12-string Rick.

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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2004, 10:35:54 PM »

What, John played lead on 'What You're Doing'?
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Re: OK, question for the experts
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2004, 10:37:29 PM »

[quote by=guitarhero2000 link=Blah.pl?b=cc,m=1083452096,s=18 date=1084919754]What, John played lead on 'What You're Doing'?[/quote]

That's what YOU said - I didn't think that he did! ;D
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