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What if it had been Paul?
« on: June 08, 2004, 02:44:18 AM »

Well, I posted this yesterday, but it mysteriously disapeared! So here I am again. I was watchng the Beatles Anthology and the part came on where Brian Epstein died. Well, seeing how devastated John was made me wonder how differently he would have reacted than Paul did if it were Paul who had been shot.  Paul's response was so flip and he has never really seemed too broken up about it in any interview since. I just get the feeling that Lennon would have reacted with a whole lot more passion and outrage than McCartney. I feel like he would have been devastated and it would have been a catalyst for John becoming involved in gun control or something to that effect. I don't know. Anyway, I was wondering what you all thought. Someone responded yesterday w/ a good point about Paul's reaction to Linda's death too. But again, was DELETED!
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2004, 04:13:46 AM »

I've seen Paul talk about it and talk about it, and I know as he has explained many times about his "It's a Drag' comment, but I just never felt that he really expressed himself fully. I'm sure he was upset, he said the family sat around the t.v all day and cried, but I think he must not really be able to show that much emotion about these things. He's even said himself that when his mom died he said, "what are we going to do about money now." So it's probably a guard of some sort.
I know it's pointless to speculate how Lennon would react, but I just wonder. Curious. The man was so emotionally charged. His grief would probably have been more public. Just a hypothetical that crossed my mind.
Funny though how people usually focus on Paul's reaction. Does anyone even remember how the other two responded? I don't. Just that Ringo flew to NY to be there for Yoko. Not that she wanted him.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2004, 07:19:45 AM »

That's a good question. I honestly have never seen Paul or any of the others talk about John's death. To stick up for Paul, in his position I'd think it has to be nearly impossible to publicly be torn up over anything. Reporters are hell, and there's only so much you can stand. I think Paul had to be strong because he couldn't get to the point where the reporters could just walk all over him. We may not have seen it, but honestly, he's not heartless, John and Him were amazingly close for so many years, I'm sure the fact that John died was very hard for him to handle. And many people have different strategies for coping with loosing someone, maybe Paul's is to close up, you know, act tough so no one sees how he's really feeling. I dono, its all my opinion, more like my guessing what's going on in Paul's mind. And about how John would have acted, well, John was a very passionate man who spoke for what he believed in. He also said he had great defenses because he was the type of guy who didn't know how to cry. So I'm not sure you'd see John openly torn up over it either. I can imagine John would have started something for gun control and tied it in with Paul.

The only reason people are so busy with Paul's responce is because people knew that by the time the Beatles split John and Paul had their share of arguments, and anger towards each other, and so people take it upon themselves to question Paul's reaction.

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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2004, 10:32:50 AM »

I know some Beatles fans were offended when Paul made his now infamous comment " It's a drag. " after John's murder since it seemed so flippant but I understand where he was coming from over 20 years later. If it would have been Paul that would have got killed instead of John back in 80 it would have been like a hit to the gut to me personally as a dedicated Beatles fan just like Lennon.  I think John would have been for gun control since he was already before his death except not as much as he was as an anti-war activist while he would have possibly retired from the music business for good after one more album & one major tour.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2004, 07:02:21 PM »

I've read where Paul explains his "It's a drag." comment. He did say other things after John died - "I can't tell you how much it hurts to lose him. His death is a bitter cruel blow. I really loved the guy."
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2004, 03:06:45 AM »

I'm sure Paul was devastated, after all it was him who kept showing up at Lennon's after they broke up. We've just never seen it. That's ok! I know some people keep those things very private. But what's up w/ the recent changing of their names around? I know how he must feel, but he knows how it will look and how people will question his motives. Also, why does he have to go around telling people that Yoko came on to him first and then went to John when he turned her down? It's things like that that make me wonder about him sometimes!
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2004, 03:45:16 AM »

we would have been better off if it was paul.......

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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2004, 04:19:38 AM »

Honestly, we would have been better off if neither of them had died. My mind boggles at the music that could have come about if Paul and John had kept trying to show each other up. It would have been seriousally amazing!

I understand where you're coming from on the name thing. That really doesn't make any sense to me. I mean, John's dead, leave it in peace!

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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2004, 04:27:50 AM »

I think he should leave all Beatle things alone. He can't win when he messes with it because it means too much to too many! Anyway, it's not right to do major changes without all four consenting and since two can no longer be consulted he needs to just leave it alone and let it be!
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2004, 10:20:07 AM »

what would it take for the beatles to be reunited???????2 more bullets..

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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2004, 07:54:06 PM »

Oh come on Pc, that jokes old and holdes no ground anymore, back when George was alive and it was 3 more bullets that's when it was a better joke.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2004, 08:20:03 PM »

Touche, mister charlie, I never liked the joke, myself, my brother tells it all the time, but I'm just saying, if you're gonna tell a joke like that at least let it have some credibility.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2004, 07:20:31 AM »

You make yet another good point MC, anyway getting past the joke and back the the original topic at hand...what if it had been Paul?
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2004, 10:34:03 AM »

If it had of been Paul we would finally know that he walrus was truly dead
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2004, 10:34:17 AM »

and that would be sad
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2004, 08:27:37 PM »

If it had been Paul it would have been just as big a news item, but I think it was even moreso because of John's life and politics. It's almost like you'd expect a tragic end like that more with regard to John.

On a personal level, what I miss most is that John spoke his mind (like I do), which I related to - and I miss that "down to earth guy". Paul, on the other hand, is complete "public relations" and doesn't "wear his heart on his sleeve" (as someone else pointed out). In that regard, it wouldn't have affected me as hard.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2004, 03:43:44 AM »

If anyone, like me, has SEEN the interview, he looked p*ssed the whole interview.  At the beginning in response to his reaction to Lennon's death, he goes, "Very shocked, you know -- this is terrible news," but he says it with not much emotion.  He looks p*ssed at the news reporters, and at the end says, "Drag, isn't it? Alright, cheers." and walks away.  He prolly did NOT want to talk to those guys at all.

So if you actually see it, it's not that shocking, plus a news report says that he said that Lennon would be remembered for his world peace efforts.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2004, 04:33:44 PM »

Its totally unfair to judge a person based on their grief. Everyone grieves diffrently. I don't think for a second that Paul was anything less than devestated when John was killed.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2004, 05:22:29 PM »

I agree. Sure, when the news first reported in 1980 that all Paul said was "It's a drag" it came off differently. Just like things read when posted here - you can't get the real feel behind it. Paul was obviously in no mood to deal with reporters when John died, and he wasn't about to give them the satisfaction of watching him break down. I'm sure he was completely destroyed by it.
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Re: What if it had been Paul?
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2004, 05:42:20 PM »

[quote by=Frightwolf link=Blah.pl?b=lennon,m=1086662658,s=20 date=1090122224]If anyone, like me, has SEEN the interview, he looked p*ssed the whole interview.
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