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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #20 on: March 13, 2008, 06:38:55 PM »

WHY THE INTEREST IN MONO!! Surely you jest!  

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remixed remastered stereo mix  must sound nicer than a crusty old mono mix

Must it now.... well that's debatable... and how would it develop a crust MaccaLennon if that is your real name...


hahahah in all seriousness i'm not sure the big appeal
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #21 on: March 13, 2008, 06:39:54 PM »

i've got Beware of ABCKO, it's fantastic. there's something very special about those
demos. they should have been put on the re-issue of ATMP i think!  :)
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #22 on: March 13, 2008, 07:55:57 PM »

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WHY THE INTEREST IN MONO!! Surely you jest!  



MOST OF US DO... we don't know harihead maybe only one ear



Must it now.... well that's debatable... and how would it develop a crust MaccaLennon if that is your real name...


hahahah in all seriousness i'm not sure the big appeal

Well that post completely confused me?

harihead????
yes its my real name of course it is. the name i was born with and its a small l actually

yes its debatable thats why im debating it

but yeah thanks for your input !  Anyone else enlighten me?

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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #23 on: March 13, 2008, 08:18:48 PM »

Because mono was the sound of the sixties and the way it was mixed in. There's differences in the mono and stereo mixes of the Beatles albums. BlueMeanie is your expert in these matters.
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 08:49:38 PM »

but by 1970 (ATMP) they were mixing directly into stereo weren't they? I get that the early albums have forced stereo mixes and therefore arent true stereo but by then they were making natural stereo recordings i thought.
It kind of sounds a bit like inverted snobbery to me. What i mean is stereo is far more natural sound, its how we hear things in everyday life. And besides from what i understand, you cant hear true mono as it should be on a 2 speaker hi fithat we all have now so unless you have such a player isnt forced mono the same mess as forced stereo?

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« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2008, 11:36:51 AM »

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but by 1970 (ATMP) they were mixing directly into stereo weren't they? I get that the early albums have forced stereo mixes and therefore arent true stereo but by then they were making natural stereo recordings i thought.
It kind of sounds a bit like inverted snobbery to me. What i mean is stereo is far more natural sound, its how we hear things in everyday life. And besides from what i understand, you cant hear true mono as it should be on a 2 speaker hi fithat we all have now so unless you have such a player isnt forced mono the same mess as forced stereo?

Forced mono is basically a 'fold down'. You can get the effect by flicking the mono switch on the hi-fi whilst playing a stereo recording. Sounds like crap.

I imagine that by 'forced stereo', you mean some of the crap that Capitol released in 63, and 64. Given a set of mono masters they contrived to produce a kind of faux stereo. I've heard bootleggers do it better! The later released stereo stuff in the UK, is mixed for stereo. I'm unaware if the Capitol Albums boxed sets were remixed properly for stereo, or if they're the original mixes. Whatever, they sound awful.

At least with 'forced stereo' you get to hear everything, though not necessarily in the ear that it was intended! Fold downs into mono just sound dreadful, but a good mono mix can be a revelation. Try listening to the mono version of Sgt. Pepper.
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2008, 11:41:48 AM »

As a footnote, it is extremely unlikely that the word mono was ever uttered while the ATMP master tapes were in earshot.

Having said that, The Beatles themselves were very big fans of mono, not seeing the point in stereo. As far as I'm aware, it wasn't until they recorded 'Abbey Road' that they dropped mono.
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« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2008, 02:11:39 PM »

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Check out a bootleg called Beware of ABCKO! It's the demos for ATMP. Info at Bootlegzone. Not sure that a proper mono mix of ATMP was ever made, although fold-downs could well exist.


I just purchased a mono CD of All Things Nust Pass on the Japanese Mid Valley label. It should arrive in a week and I will post when I get it as to what it sounds like.

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« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2008, 02:47:33 PM »

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I just purchased a mono CD of All Things Nust Pass on the Japanese Mid Valley label. It should arrive in a week and I will post when I get it as to what it sounds like.


Mid Valley is a bootleg label. And as far as I know (someone correct me if I'm wrong) there was never a mono mix made from the ATMP masters. I can see no reason why they would have made one at the time, as stereo was by then, far and away the chosen sound choice. This means that Mid Valley have probably taken a very good quality stereo vinyl, and made the mono mix from that. It's a waste of time.

You'd be better off getting your hands on the Dr. Ebbett's ATMP.
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2008, 02:58:46 PM »

see all the discussion we get from a silly post
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2008, 03:08:22 PM »

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Because mono was the sound of the sixties and the way it was mixed in. There's differences in the mono and stereo mixes of the Beatles albums. BlueMeanie is your expert in these matters.

I agree. They were made to be listened to in mono. If some hack at The Louvre made a 3D Mona Liza in a  bigger size, with enhanced colouring and greater depth ("it's how Leonardo would have wanted it if he had access to digital laser technology") I think most art buffs would still prefer the old flat original. It was how it was supposed to be seen.
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2008, 03:23:36 PM »

Ooh, nice analogy, Kevin!

Thanks for the ABKCO tip, Geoff. I enjoyed all the discussion.

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« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2008, 03:29:00 PM »

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see all the discussion we get from a silly post

That's why I like this forum.
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« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2008, 08:20:52 PM »

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Check out a bootleg called Beware of ABCKO! It's the demos for ATMP. Info at Bootlegzone. Not sure that a proper mono mix of ATMP was ever made, although fold-downs could well exist.


hi

i read that the new boot of all things must pass is a needle drop............surely it never appeared on vinyl in mono???
i know obscure mono albums do turn up in places like peru but..........................
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« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2008, 08:24:33 PM »

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hi

i read that the new boot of all things must pass is a needle drop............surely it never appeared on vinyl in mono???
i know obscure mono albums do turn up in places like peru but..........................

Some mono mixes of demo's are available on stuff like 'Songs For Patti', but a proper mono mix of the album does not exist. The Ebbetts is probably a needle drop.
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« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2008, 08:25:41 PM »

Welcome Ridware, btw. Odd name?
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2008, 05:49:07 PM »

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hi

i read that the new boot of all things must pass is a needle drop............surely it never appeared on vinyl in mono???
i know obscure mono albums do turn up in places like peru but..........................

Just got the Mid Valley Bootleg Mono pressing of All Things Must Pass and it's a needle drop straight off the South American pressing. The labels on the CD are the same as the original vinyl pressing. It's gotta be the stereo mix down to mono like we've talked about but it sounds quite warm and full. But I bought it as a collectible. Not for the fidelity. Nothing more nothing less.
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2008, 09:06:07 PM »

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Just got the Mid Valley Bootleg Mono pressing of All Things Must Pass and it's a needle drop straight off the South American pressing. The labels on the CD are the same as the original vinyl pressing. It's gotta be the stereo mix down to mono like we've talked about but it sounds quite warm and full. But I bought it as a collectible. Not for the fidelity. Nothing more nothing less.


Interesting: I could only find one reference to a South American ATMP pressing, and I'm assuming it's stereo because they don't say anything (that I can see, anyway) about it being mono. But judging from some of the comments there, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were making fold downs! 8)

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=262875
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2008, 04:04:58 AM »

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Interesting: I could only find one reference to a South American ATMP pressing, and I'm assuming it's stereo because they don't say anything (that I can see, anyway) about it being mono. But judging from some of the comments there, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they were making fold downs! 8)

http://eil.com/shop/moreinfo.asp?catalogid=262875


South Americans seem to be known for doing mono mixes. One of the best known mono mixes of Abbey Road is Brazilian.
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Re: All Things Must Pass (album)
« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2008, 04:41:35 AM »

i like that album. nuff said.
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