A treasury and a place to meet people of all ages with various interests from all over the World
Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

PLEASE READ OUR FORUM RULES HERE

Author Topic: Yesterday - a rip off?  (Read 1929 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

The End

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 8211
  • Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream...
    • The End
Yesterday - a rip off?
« on: July 16, 2004, 05:13:29 PM »

Paul McCartney has always stated that he awoke one morning with the melody to Yesterday in his head. He has also stated that he is a great admirer of Nat King Cole. These two statements may come back to haunt him.

Similarities between Yesterday and Nat King Cole's Answer Me have been raised in a new book called "101 Beatles Myths Debunked" by Spencer Leigh and Alan Clayson.

Apart from both songs containing the title of the song in the opening line and having the same number of syllables, there are other similarites too.

The following lines are from Answer Me:

You were mine yesterday
I believed that love was here to stay.

Sound familiar?

Music historian, Dominic Pedler, has this to say:

"The rhythmic phrasing makes for a great comparison. The opening three syllables and the scanning of all the verses is virtually identical.

"While the pitch of the melody notes are mostly very different, the closing verse line 'sweetheart' rises rather than falls from 5th to 3rd, an unusual stylistic touch which also appears in Yesterday."

Paul believed he'd subconsciously copied someone elses song, and consequently hawked his "Scambled Eggs" around for months, asking anyone who'd listen whether they recognised the tune. What would have happened if George Martin, or anyone else, had pointed out the similarities to Answer Me? Maybe Paul's troubles would have remained so far away!

Anyway, you can judge for yourselves because I've uploaded the track for you!

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/the.end3/Answer%20Me.mp3


Let me know what you think - personally, apart from those lyrics I would never have drawn the comparison!
GEMM is your best source for impossible-to-find !

  • Guest
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2004, 04:03:20 AM »

Yeah, this is an old one.

Nothing alike.  Certainly not enough to mean anything.  In a scale of 12 notes there will always be small similarities here and there.
Logged

Stratford

  • A Beginning
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 153
  • Young and unlearned
    • Lair of tilly
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2004, 09:41:04 AM »

I really don't hear many similarities - alright, so they both go up on a note where you halfway expect them to go down, but otherwise I can't really pinpoint anything else but the violins. So no, I don't think Yesterday is plagiarizing.

It's just like George's My sweet Lord and that... other song. Can't remember, but I never heard any similarities there either. Maybe I just have the musical memory of a goldfish or something ;)
Logged
You can have my love, you can have my smiles. Forget the bad parts, you don't need them. Just take the music, the goodness, because it's the very best, and it's the part I give most willingly.
George Harrison[/righ

The End

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 8211
  • Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream...
    • The End
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2004, 12:31:02 PM »

[quote by=Stratford link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1089998009,s=2 date=1090057264]I really don't hear many similarities
[/quote]

No, me neither! I just read that in a book and had to check it out myself. I'd never heard that rumour before, in fact the book claims that it's never even been mentioned before - you should write in and complain to them Mr C! ;D

The only REAL similarites, as far as I can see, are those few lines of lyrics - musically they sound nothing alike.


[quote by=Stratford link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1089998009,s=2 date=1090057264]It's just like George's My sweet Lord and that... other song. Can't remember, but I never heard any similarities there either.[/quote]

Now THAT is another thing altogether! To my ears,  there are striking similarities between My Sweet Lord and He's So Fine by the Chiffons - the only real differences are Lord is slower and Fine has a middle 8 which is not evident on George's song (He's so fine - oh yeah - gonna make him mine - oh yeah - sooner or later - hope it's not later etc etc) - apart from that the songs sound the same to me.

  • Guest
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2004, 04:25:04 PM »

Yeah, George's was a more obvious possible cop.


The connection for Nat and Paul has been kicked around for about a year that I know of, so if the book is only a year old then maybe that is where it comes from.

But it still doesn't hold water.  :)
Logged

Herecomesyoursun

  • A Thousand Pages
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 3220
  • Shake your tired eyes the world is waiting for you
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2004, 09:01:02 PM »

I dont see it.  Does anyone know why Chuck Berry sued John for Come together?
Logged

 [face=Arial]            Give me love, give me peace on Earth...[/face]

Stratford

  • A Beginning
  • **
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 153
  • Young and unlearned
    • Lair of tilly
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2004, 09:20:05 PM »

[quote by=Herecomesyoursun link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1089998009,s=5 date=1090443662]Does anyone know why Chuck Berry sued John for Come together?[/quote]
It was Berry's publisher who sued, because the lines "Here come old flat-top/He come groovin' up slowly" were appearantly lifted from Berry's song You can't catch me. John settles it out of court and had to record another song from Berry's publisher (Sweet little sixteen).
Logged
You can have my love, you can have my smiles. Forget the bad parts, you don't need them. Just take the music, the goodness, because it's the very best, and it's the part I give most willingly.
George Harrison[/righ

Herecomesyoursun

  • A Thousand Pages
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 3220
  • Shake your tired eyes the world is waiting for you
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2004, 09:22:03 PM »

thanx for the help ;D
Logged

 [face=Arial]            Give me love, give me peace on Earth...[/face]

number14

  • A Thousand Pages
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 1699
  • I like the beatles a lot
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2004, 05:08:02 PM »

i doubt paul copied on purpose
Logged


Paul McCartney :)

sexy sadie

  • Getting Better
  • ***
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Female
  • Posts: 463
  • once there was a way to get back home...
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2004, 11:22:10 PM »

they sound nothing at all alike to me...
Logged
Ashley*

one sweet dream, pick up the bags and get in the limousine. soon we'll be away from here. step on the gas and wipe that tear away. one sweet dream came true today...

[img]http://img122.exs.cx/img122/8264/jsj21oc.jpg[/img

The End

  • That Means a Lot
  • *****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 8211
  • Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream...
    • The End
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2004, 05:29:37 PM »

[quote by=sexy_sadie link=Blah.pl?b=songs,m=1089998009,s=9 date=1090711330]they sound nothing at all alike to me...[/quote]

Yeah, me neither! Apart from those few lines of lyrics.

  • Guest
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2004, 06:22:42 PM »

Wasn't the 'My Sweet Lord' ruling that George subconciously copied the melody?

I've never believed that George would have needed to blatantly steal the tune.

Now Lennon, on the other hand, he was a guest on New York's WNEW radio in 1974 and brought along his own oldie records where he played them and specifically pointed out where he ripped them off!
Logged

Herecomesyoursun

  • A Thousand Pages
  • ****
  • Offline Offline
  • Gender: Male
  • Posts: 3220
  • Shake your tired eyes the world is waiting for you
Re: Yesterday - a rip off?
« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2004, 08:52:40 PM »

yeah but one line???  It sounds more like a tribute than a ripoff.
Logged

 [face=Arial]            Give me love, give me peace on Earth...[/face]
 

Page created in 0.534 seconds with 27 queries.