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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2008, 07:08:10 AM »

I would basically do anything to have seen Wings in '75-'76. But I was born in 1987  :'(
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2008, 10:06:43 AM »

The last 3 concerts i've seen him play all included the usual, you know Let it be, Hey Jude, My love etc. It was a novelty at first... I mean opening with Hello Goodbye was awesome, I love 1967 for the Beatles and I was so glad he gave Ram's 'Too many people' another go but i'd dearly love to him try the likes of Juniors farm again and maybe some off Red Rose Speedway like 'When the night' - I mean he did Every night off McCartney during his UK tour of 1979 and just recently too so they're all there in his head. On that 79 tour, he did a few off Back to the egg (much under-rated IMO) Old Siam sir rocked and Getting Closer is as good as any. Come on Macca freshen it up a bit, yes the younger members of the audience might not have heard some of the more obscure stuff but on the other side of the coin, if they like it, they might well go and out and buy it.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2008, 04:47:07 PM »

JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.  Let me tell you, it was a phenomenal night, Wings absolutely rocked the house!

To this very day it's still the best concert I've ever seen in my entire life!
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2008, 04:58:22 PM »

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JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.

I thought it was recorded in several different venues?
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2008, 09:21:28 PM »

I'd like to know from what venue the WOA version of Medicine Jar came from. It's an alright version but there are a lot better versions like the Rockshow and Wings over Seattle versions.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #25 on: October 10, 2008, 12:15:44 AM »

You gotta give the people what they want.  And I mean the majority of the people. And as others have said, majority of people want the Beatle hits and only the major hits he had with Wings and solo.

A few months ago Bruce Springsteen did a tour, and he always sings his hits at his concerts. Well this last time he did not, he played everything EXCEPT his hits, and let me tell you, everyone I know who went, were highly dissappointed with the show.  

So this is probably why Paul does the same songs, majority of the people to his show to hear these songs, and he wants to keep the money coming in and most of all keep the people and fans happy.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2008, 02:28:12 AM »

Heatherboo, I'll say again that's the major problem, McCartney isn't performing the majority of the big Wings and solo hits, I truly wish he was!

He's not performing...

Silly Love Songs
Listen To What The Man Said
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
No More Lonely Nights
Take It Away
Uncle Albert
Helen Wheels
Getting Closer
I've Had Enough
The World Tonight
Young Boy
Girlschool

These are just some of the singles and hits that McCartney has released over the years, why isn't he performing them, and don't say that the people don't want to hear them because it's the people who are asking why doesn't he perform these songs?

How many artist do you know that don't perform their own single?  McCartney has #1 smash hit singles that have never ever been performed live, I repeat #1 worldwide smash hits that have never ever been performed?

Why were they #1 in the first place, because people all over the world like them, so I don't buy that he's giving the people what they want, McCartney is giving the people what he thinks they expect!

People would instantly know all those smash hits if McCartney would just perform them, how many people would say, wow I remember that song, or can you believe he's playing this one, I love that song!  He would send thrills thru out his crowds if he would just perform this fantastic material!

 
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2008, 08:24:09 AM »

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Heatherboo, I'll say again that's the major problem, McCartney isn't performing the majority of the big Wings and solo hits, I truly wish he was!

He's not performing...

Silly Love Songs
Listen To What The Man Said
Juniors Farm
Hi Hi Hi
No More Lonely Nights
Take It Away
Uncle Albert
Helen Wheels
Getting Closer
I've Had Enough
The World Tonight
Young Boy
Girlschool

These are just some of the singles and hits that McCartney has released over the years, why isn't he performing them, and don't say that the people don't want to hear them because it's the people who are asking why doesn't he perform these songs?


Who's asking? A few fanatics on forums.

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How many artist do you know that don't perform their own single?  McCartney has #1 smash hit singles that have never ever been performed live, I repeat #1 worldwide smash hits that have never ever been performed?

Why were they #1 in the first place, because people all over the world like them, so I don't buy that he's giving the people what they want, McCartney is giving the people what he thinks they expect!

People would instantly know all those smash hits if McCartney would just perform them, how many people would say, wow I remember that song, or can you believe he's playing this one, I love that song!  He would send thrills thru out his crowds if he would just perform this fantastic material!

 

Which No.1 smash hits has he never performed live? Maybe Girls School, but that was only the A-Side in the states. And I really can't see him playing Uncle Albert with the current band. At least 5 of the songs in your list were not massive hits at all. In fact, I'm really struggling to remember some of them.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2008, 10:05:18 AM »

At this stage, I don't care what he plays, I just want to go and see him play live! Please! Soon! (well, when I say I don't care, I mean, well, I do want him to play things that send those chills down the spine, but I think I'd also like to be surprised. But mostly I just want to see him play live. Did I mention that already???)(rocknroll)
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2008, 11:13:21 AM »

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JimmymcCollochfan, I saw Wings in 76 at the Seattle Kingdome the night Wings Over America was recorded.  Let me tell you, it was a phenomenal night, Wings absolutely rocked the house!

To this very day it's still the best concert I've ever seen in my entire life!

Wow! You're so lucky! Everyone who went to a Wings show in 1976 says that that was the best concert that they've ever been too. I know Jerry Seinfeld went to a Wings show in 76 and he also said that that is the best concert he has ever been too. The 76 line-up of Wings were on fire that year. All the members of the band had the charisma to really take Wings to the heavens. I'm jealous of you lol.

But Bluemeanie is right, WOA was recorded from several different venues. I would have thought Paul had a better ear for his own songs because I think he picked some of the worst versions of the 76 setlist and put them on WOA.  The definite best versions of those songs come from the Los Angeles show and the Seattle show which the majority of Rockshow(The Film) came from those two shows.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2008, 11:31:25 AM »

Mull of Kintyre and Pipes of Peace were no.1's in UK. He did Mull of Kintyre at the Royal Court in liverpool in 79, an intimate theatre and it sure was a crowd pleaser with Scotchie/bagpipes and all - a real singalong song. He also did Goodnight tonight at that show which was only recent as well as his then forthcoming single 'Wonderful Christmastime' - well, it was that time of year after all but i'm not advocating a repeat of that one ;)
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2008, 04:19:32 PM »

Wordno, I have to disagree with you about WOA, many and I do mean many say that it's one of the all time best live rock albums!  I think the versions of the songs are absolutely some of the very best!

Bluemeanie, I can't  speak for your memory but the songs I listed were #1hits, or top ten hits, or came from chart topping grammy nominated albums, and McCartney isn't performing any of them!

It could be said that the people who just want McCartney to keep cranking out the same old songs are the fanatics!  It's not just people on forums asking for McCartney to change his setlist, it's journalist, reviewers, interviewers, columnist, and of course fans.  I've read comments from all these people, here's a couple from two journalist, and think about it, if they're published journalist, how many readers may they have?

The suggested Paul McCartney setlist

By Tim Cain

I haven't seen Paul McCartney in concert, however much I'd like to.

When he was playing stadiums, I stayed away because the venues were too large. In the early 1990s, when he was playing arenas, I stayed away because I didn't want to see an oldies show, and if he was going to focus on his current material, I wasn't very interested anyway.

I was disappointed in McCartney's set at the Super Bowl this year. He trotted out some Beatles tunes, and the most recently released song he played was 1973's Live and Let Die.

(That beat his Live 8 set, which featured five Beatles songs, six if you count the one he did with U2.)

As expected, that Super Bowl show primed the pump for another McCartney tour. Tickets at United Center in Chicago ranged from $50 to hang on the rafters to $250 to see the whites of his eyes. (The two shows are sold out, but ticket brokers naturally are willing to take plenty of your hard-earned cash.)

Look, I present this knowing full well that Sir Paul McCartney couldn't care less about my presence at one of his shows. And he's one of the greatest showmen/businessmen in pop music history, so if he wants to trot out a 30-song setlist and have 75 percent of it be Beatles songs, he knows what his audience wants best. And if you want to drop that kind of cash to hear him run through those songs yet again, that's your business, and you'll get what you want, and everybody will go home happy.

And keep in mind you're not going to find many people who love The Beatles more than I do.

When The Who did the first of their couple hundred farewell tours, they played five songs off Quadrophenia, an album near and dear to my heart from its release. The guy sitting next to me kept asking me where these songs came from. By the fourth time I said Quadrophenia, he said, I gotta go buy that tomorrow. It would be nice for McCartney to provide similar prodding to his fans.

McCartney practically denied the existence of The Beatles in the early days of Wings. One of the causes for excitement during the 1976 release of Wings Over America was the appearance of four Beatles songs.

But now he's gone the other way and seems to be ignoring the last 35 years. It has its share of mediocre work, sure, but there's some fantastic material that seems to be sliding away. And in many ways, that's no one's fault but McCartney's.

So here's a proposed set list, even programmed with specific purposes in mind. This show would run a little over two hours, so if McCartney wanted to throw in a couple more Beatles songs, or some surprises (like playing Something on ukulele in tribute to George Harrison), there's room.

Band on the Run
Big Barn Bed
A Love For You
I Saw Her Standing There
Hi Hi Hi
Junior's Farm

As unhip as it is to say, Band on the Run is a fantastic album, easily McCartney's best solo work. Starting out with those complex rhythm changes would serve as a statement of purpose: This isn't your everyday McCartney show.

The next two are a little obscure.  Big Barn Bed is the first song on Red Rose Speedway (the album with My Love). Wings opened their shows with it for a little while. It's always been a favorite.  A Love For You was not officially released until the soundtrack of the remake of The In-Laws (of all places). Both have that unmistakable early 1970s McCartney feel. Classics.

The last three bring in those who might feel a little lost at sea because of the previous two songs. Hit singles, recognizable tunes, but two are still solo (or Wings) pieces.

Twenty Flight Rock
Little Woman Love
Momma's Little Girl
Brown-Eyed Handsome Man
Name and Address
I'm Carrying
Yesterday

Call this the unplugged portion of the show, although it's probably more stripped down than unplugged.  Twenty Flight Rock is one of Eddie Cochran's great songs, and a favorite of McCartney's.  Little Woman Love was the B-side to Wings 1972 Mary Had a Little Lamb single, and the shuffling rocker should have been a hit in its own right.

Momma's Little Girl was recorded in the early 1970s and eventually came out 15 years later. It would send people scurrying for the expanded Wild Life CD, or the 2-CD limited edition Flowers in the Dirt.

Then a chance to show off influences. McCartney recorded a nice Cajun version of Brown-Eyed Handsome Man for Run Devil Run, and Name and Address (from 1978's London Town) is one of his best Elvis tributes ever.

I'm Carrying is a sweet acoustic guitar-based song that would lead nicely into one of the greatest songs ever written. (Hey, I'll give him this one and Hey Jude. If you're going to drop money to see the guy who wrote two of the greatest songs in the history of the English language, he'd better sing em.)

Venus and Mars/Rock Show
Spin It On
Jet
Live and Let Die
Letting Go

I hope you caught your breath during that last set, Paul, because this section will wring it out of you. These are, quite simply, some of the best concert songs he's written. (The only reason I didn't have Venus and Mars/Rock Show lead off is to avoid a little bit of a cliche.) Spin It On, from 1979's Back to the Egg, is the obscurity, but find it, play it, and follow it immediately with Jet, and then write and tell me how cool it is.)

Maybe I'm Amazed
Yvonne's the One
Dear Boy
So Bad
Arrow Through Me
My Brave Face
Off the Ground
Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five

A nod toward some of the later-period hits (My Brave Face and So Bad were top five on the AOR charts, Off the Ground hit the top 30). Arrow Through Me should have been a single. Dear Boy is an album cut from Ram, an attack on Beatles partner John Lennon that still offers some entertaining backing vocals. And I've always said Yvonne's the One is one of the best songs McCartney gave away (to 10cc).

Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five provides some nice pre-encore theatricality, especially if the band is able to produce the cacophony of sound at the end. And if the Band on the Run out-chorus is pre-recorded, the group can take its bows and run off while the music is playing. Band on the run - get it? Get it?

Beautiful Night
Let It Be
Hey Jude

I might be alone in this, but I think Beautiful Night (from 1997's Flaming Pie) is one of the greatest songs McCartney's ever written. Its memorable chorus provides a setup for the last two songs, which feature even more memorable choruses.

This is the type setlist McCartney could easily do, and the crowds would absolutely love it!

Vadim Rizov, lifestyle editor for Washington Square News.

Paul McCartney played a thunderously dull set including some of the most famous songs in the world, nimbly avoiding the danger of any emotional effect.

The only thing surprising about McCartney's set, perhaps, was that he didn't play "Maybe I'm Amazed." Other than that, he remains the man with the world's most predictable setlist: a few Beatles songs just to remind everyone why he became legitimately famous in the first place, a solo number to reinforce his self-worth and the 357,000th rendition of "Hey Jude," which - if you did the math - he's probably played once for every day of his life. With a grimly efficient backing band behind him and a stadium packed full of the easily manipulated, things went off without a hitch. No one missed their cues, all the pre-coordinated fans waved their glowsticks in the air at the right moment and no one got injured by the fireworks.

The set was by-and-large a note-for-note reproduction of classic recorded tunes. Make no mistake: "Hey Jude," on a bad day, is one of the most comforting songs around. But somewhere along the way, a song intended to cheer up a kid worried about his parents' divorce became the song to end all inspirational songs. A song that speaks to everyone tends to end up being a song that speaks to no one.

Does it even matter? Is "Hey Jude" just a good song that we all know the words to, or does it mean anything more?

It's weird to look for meaning in a Super Bowl halftime show, at which the best-case scenario is that disaster is avoided and no one is unduly offended. But watching Paul McCartney perform songs with professional detachment - songs it's hard to imagine him caring about any longer - is to watch someone formerly exciting going through the motions, frozen in a pose they struck 35 years ago.

When McCartney storms through the fossilized canon, does he feel anything?

What about the stadium of glowstick-waving fans and fireworks? Did they respond to the songs themselves? Or did they respond to the spectacle, the environment, the chance to see one of the world's two living Beatles stop being a waxwork for a fleeting moment?

To be simultaneously united by a song everyone knows but is pretty much immune to is to be alone, together, united by familiarity but excited by nothing - which is kind of interesting, but ultimately boring.

This is from a reviewer named George Starostin

You could always argue that theoretically, a Paul McCartney show can't be all that great. Come on, even the Beatles themselves weren't the best live band in the world, and this is one fourth part of the Beatles. Come on, he just plays the songs the way they are. Come on, his backing bands are always interchangeable. Come on, the setlist is so painfully predictable it's almost laughable (although he did do 'She's Leaving Home', which even I couldn't have expected!). This is all true.

It's not just people on forums asking for McCartney to change his setlist.

With the tech today any song can be performed live, so his current band could easily do Uncle Albert.  Another #1 smash hit that has never ever been done is With A Little Luck, he could easily do it.  How many songs has he done on just one tour and never done again, there are plenty.

McCartney has tons of material he could and should be performing live!
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2008, 07:23:24 PM »

As for me i would go to any McCartney show to hear him sing anything, the Beatles songs, the Wings songs. The reason is that I love him and I know a lot of his solo songs. But the vast majority doesn`t. What they know is mostly the Beatles songs and they would really be disappointed, if they heard some unknown stuff. I believe Macca should distinguish between different audiences. For example, if he sings in the USA and Britain he can afford to introduce more Wings songs, but if he goes to other countries he is expected to sing songs that are more familiar to the people, which are the Beatles songs. Sadly for some of you but it is so.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2008, 07:28:43 PM »

The flip side of that is if they heard the unknown stuff...they COULD actually like it.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2008, 07:59:53 PM »

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The flip side of that is if they heard the unknown stuff...they COULD actually like it.

Right. But it should be better and more promoted. Especially before the tour, and in this case long before the tour. Not at the concert itself, cause some songs may not sink or get through. Unfortunately it isn`t done. Can a musician promote his own songs on the radio? can Macca do anything about it?

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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2008, 08:04:28 PM »

Why couldn't he promote his own songs? I know that when I saw Paul the first time in concert (2002) he played a few songs that my mom hadn't heard before and she liked them so  :)
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2008, 08:34:46 PM »

I think some of this stuff is ridiculous!  When you go see an artist in concert you don't know what they are going to perform, it's up to the artist, people don't know ahead of time.  No one knows each and every song an artist is going to perform, you go to the show and experience whatever the artist decides to present.  

They don't promote the songs ahead of time to get the audience ready for what they are going to perform, you buy your ticket and go enjoy the show, you don't know ahead of time!

Also we're talking worldwide hits, again worldwide hits, these aren't some obscure unknown songs, they are known worldwide, so audiences would want to hear them!

The articles I posted from the journalist give excellent reasons why people want McCartney to change his setlist.

I'll say again, McCartney may never ever change his setlist, but it's way way way past time that he did!
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« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2008, 09:33:20 PM »

Unfortunately you are not quite right. If it was a not so well-known musician, then people take a chance and go to listen to whatever he offers to them, knowing at least some of his songs. But Macca is a mega star with well-known hits, which everybody expects. The Wings stuff is not that well-known outside the 2 countries, or not that popular. Certainly people will come, but I guess Macca wants a stadium, a full house, then the choice will be the same again.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2008, 09:48:37 PM »

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Wordno, I have to disagree with you about WOA, many and I do mean many say that it's one of the all time best live rock albums!  I think the versions of the songs are absolutely some of the very best!

get it? Get it?

 


I understand that many people believe that it is one of the best live rock albums, but most don't know that McCartney tampered with the songs and cleaned them up to perfection. If you've heard the raw versions of these songs from the different shows like I have, then you'd know my gripe about WOA. The album almost sounds like a studio album, that's how cleaned up it is. McCartney also reduces the speed of some of the songs like Venus and Mars-Rockshow. To me, his vocals sound unnatural to me because of the reduction of speed. If you think that WOA versions of the songs are great then you probably haven't heard too many versions from other shows. I think you should download Wings over America II(It's really Wings over Los Angeles) in the bootleg section of the forum. I believe our own JimmyMcCullochFan posted WOA II. You'll hear a major difference(Probably for the better) between the Raw versions and the "Live" versions from WOA.
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Re: Time for Setlist change
« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2008, 03:43:42 PM »

I have the boots so I know exactly what they sound like!

McCartney himself said that the only thing they did to WOA was tighten up some of the harmonies because some of them were off mike, WOA is the actual live recordings.  I believe Paul McCartney so all this other stuff just isn't true.

I always wondered how the myth got started that there was some massive clean up of WOA, the man himself says otherwise!
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