Im not a supporter of Bush....Im not a supported of Michael Moore, or John kerry, ralp nader, saddamn hussein, osama bin laden, hitler, etc.

Ha! Conservative? Where’d you get that?? Cuz I said something against Michael Moore??  What on earth did I say that could make me out to be 'obviously' a Bush supporter? No I actually voted for Kerry, but I’m not a bleeding heart liberal either and I do love my country. Maybe that’s why I seem conservative? Because I’m not bashing America?
Anyway, when I think of 9/11 I do get angry, I do think there’s a faction out there that wishes us harm and was happy about the attack. I don’t think the war going on right now is the solution, and I think it’s horrible when American soldiers do things just as horrendous as the things we accuse them of.
The thing that got me was saying as a fact that the ‘celebrations’ after the attack were not real. I watched the news for hours a day weeks and weeks after that happened like most people, just trying to make sense of it. And it DID seem to me that at least SOME of the footage was shot right after the attack. That’s the way I perceived it. But of course I could be wrong. This is something I would like to know for sure because I certainly wouldn’t want to accuse people of doing something that callus when they actually didn’t.
BTW, I though you lived in the UK for some reason! Australia? What time is it there?

Lots of people in the Middle East DID celebrate in the streets after 9/11.  They paraded about, shot into the air, and burned American flags.  Though they seem to do that alot.  Maybe it takes their minds of the fact that they live in caves and dont have jobs.

I thought Bush and Kerry were both conservative in their outlooks. So Bush was more so, but no one could call Kerry a liberal, surely?

Sorry if I labelled you unfairly - but I did put a (?) after obviously!

Well, right no it's just after 9 am on Sunday morning. Already I'm writing - or should be!

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Lots of people in the Middle East DID celebrate in the streets after 9/11.  They paraded about, shot into the air, and burned American flags.  Though they seem to do that alot.  Maybe it takes their minds of the fact that they live in caves and dont have jobs.

Uh - yeah.

Whaddya know - propaganda works!

Quoted from Ydoll_Gwyn

Uh - yeah.

Whaddya know - propaganda works!

What do you mean by that?  It is a fact that there was celebration by people in the Middle East after 9/11 (not all, just the fuckers who hate us)  Am I a sheep who follows the propaganda because I hate the terrorists who killed my countrymen, innocent people?  Does that make me a blind moron?

Wow, already Sunday there! It's only 3:15 on Saturday here. Well, you are on the other side of the world so I kinda figured!

Kerry conservative? Hmm, not quite. But yeah, he's more a moderate liberal. Nowhere NEAR as conservative as Bush with his religious right wing agenda. And why is it so unconceivable to you that there just MAY have been people out there celebrating the attack? Do you realize that many of those people grow up being told what horrors we commit against mankind and how it's their job to put us in our place? A faction of course, not all. It can happen you know.

True Sandra. I'm sure there were many who celebrated what happened on 11 September. My point is merely that the famous clip of those people apparently celebrating was not what it was purported to be! The media DO lie and manipulate.

Kerry a conservative or a moderate liberal? From where we are, it seems as if there's nothing, IN PRACTICE, that really separates them. In Australia now, we have a very conservative party in power, and their main opposition is indistinguishable from them in practice (though rhetoric is different). Distinguishing between what politicians say, and what they DO, is really important I reckon.

I'm so glad I'm Canadian.

Quoted from Ydoll_Gwyn

Kerry a conservative or a moderate liberal? From where we are, it seems as if there's nothing, IN PRACTICE, that really separates them. In Australia now, we have a very conservative party in power, and their main opposition is indistinguishable from them in practice (though rhetoric is different). Distinguishing between what politicians say, and what they DO, is really important I reckon.

Issues that seperate them: stem cell research-a HUGE issue, the war, abortion, gay rights. Although Kerry is wishy washy on the last two. Bush has supporters among the NRA and religious faction, which make him more 'obligated' to push through bills in their favor. I think Kerry is not as tied to those extremists. But yeah, it was the lesser of two evils type thing. I can't wait till 2008 when Hillary runs! Now THAT should be interesting!

to ease the tension here is a light hearted joke i found rather funny.

After getting nailed by a Daisy Cutter, Osama made his way to the pearly gates. There, he is greeted by George Washington.

"How dare you attack the nation I helped conceive!" yells Mr. Washington, slapping Osama in the face. Patrick Henry comes up from behind: "You wanted to end the Americans' liberty, so they gave you death!" Henry punches Osama on the nose. James Madison comes up next, and says, "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" He drops a large weight on Osama's knee.

Osama is subject to similar beatings from John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe and 65 other 18th-century American revolutionaries. As he writhes on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up to hurl him back toward the gate where he is to be judged.

As Osama awaits his journey to his final very hot destination, he screams, "This is not what I was promised!"

An angel replies: "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you. What did you think I said?"

I was born in 83...
But of course i remember 11/9/2001. In Poland it was 'bout 15.00 o'clock
and i was in my room watching some serial on tv after school then sister entered to my room and switched on other TV
station and i found out what happened. Polish TV stations started to relate from NY
and other places for all evening and night. Same with radio stations.

i came back from school when i heard about 9/11, and my mum said, look come in here(enters tv room), and she was there with a friend, and they were watchin the news, and i just saw these bloody buildings on fire, and i was like ''what the hell!''...

I don't remember exactly what I was doing when I heard,but I do remember listening to the radio for days,switching the channels when one station got through with news or music about John or The Beatles until I found another one. I just couldn't believe it. I wanted to hear and see everything about it. I still can't believe it.