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Patton
March 31, 2004, 6:16pm Report to Moderator

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Again, I know Bush has been a bad president but I just don't trust Kerry.

If you could explain to me why he's good I might reconsider.


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Quoted from patton, posted March 31, 2004, 6:16pm at here
Again, I know Bush has been a bad president but I just don't trust Kerry.

If you could explain to me why he's good I might reconsider.


I never said I though Kerry was good, I just think EVERYTHING is better than Bush. Including Kerry.

I can name at least a hundred reasons why I don't like Bush, but since you consider yourself far right wing you probably won't agree with any of them anyway.


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Quoted from patton, posted March 31, 2004, 6:16pm at here
Again, I know Bush has been a bad president but I just don't trust Kerry.

If you could explain to me why he's good I might reconsider.


I honesty don't know if you can trust any one of them.  It's a choice of the lesser of two evils.  Just my opinion.



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Quoted from Biscuit_Power, posted March 31, 2004, 7:35pm at here
I can name at least a hundred reasons why I don't like Bush, but since you consider yourself far right wing you probably won't agree with any of them anyway.


I'd love to hear your views Biscuit, but you can PM me if you'd rather not post them here


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I don't know where to start and there are just too many reasons... So I just copied & pasted something from a website... But these are some pretty good reasons if you ask me...



The George W. Bush Resume

Past work experience:

Ran for congress and lost.

Produced a Hollywood slasher B movie.

Bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas, company went bankrupt shortly after he sold all his stock.

Bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using tax-payer money. Biggest move: Traded Sammy Sosa to Chicago.

With fathers help (and his name) was elected Governor of Texas.

Accomplishments:

Changed pollution laws for power and oil companies and made Texas the most polluted state in America.

Replaced Los Angeles with Houston as the most smog-ridden city in the U.S.

Cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas government to the tune of billions in borrowed money.

Set record for most executions by any Governor in American history.

Accomplishments as president:

First president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

In his first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their job.

Members of Bush cabinet are the richest administration in history. (the 'poorest' multi-millionaire, Condoleeza Rice has a Chevron oil tanker named after her).

Spent the surplus and bankrupted the treasury.

Shattered record for biggest annual deficit in history.

Set economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12 month period.

Set all-time record for biggest drop in the history of the stock market.

First year in office set the all-time record for most days on vacation by any president in US history.

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, presided over the worst security failure in US history.

Cut unemployment benefits for more out of work Americans than any president in US history.

Set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.

Appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any president in US history.

Signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any president in US history.

Cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

Dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

Presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud of any market in any country in the history of the world.

Set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US history. · Withdrew from the World Court of Law.

Refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

First president in US history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 US elections).

All-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign donations.

First president in US history to unilaterally attack a sovereign nation against the will of the United Nations and the world community.

First president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and then lied saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

First US president to establish a secret shadow government.

Took the biggest world sympathy for the US after 911, and in less than a year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

Fist US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view his presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

Changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

Set all-time record for number of administration appointees who violated US law by not selling huge investments in corporations bidding for government contracts.

Failed to fulfill pledge to get Osama Bin Laden 'dead or alive'.

Failed to capture the anthrax killer who tried to murder the leaders of our country at the United States Capitol building. After 18 months there are no leads or suspects.

In the 18 months following the 911 attacks he has successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in the history of the United States.

Entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

Records and References:

At least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

AWOL from National Guard and Deserted the military during a time of war.

Refuse to take drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.

All records of tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to his fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.


15 Reasons To Hate The President

And these are only since he's been inaugurated! This guy doesn't waste any time ruining the world...

He cut a half a BILLION dollars from the Environmental Protection Agency' s budget. Who needs to look after the environment when there's all that oil drilling going on?

He approved a bill that denies financial aid to students convicted of misdemeanor drug charges (though convicted murderers are still eligible for financial aid).

He recently sent a delegation to the UN children' s summit to declare that the use of condoms is not a valid way to fight AIDS and that abstinence is the only solution. This is the view shared by some other countries such as Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Libya, Syria, and the Vatican. It seems that his policy of, "No child shall be left behind" has a whole new meaning.

He wouldn't sign the Kyoto Protocol agreement on global warming, which was ultimately signed by 178 other countries. He also told the entire European community that he would listen to their arguments, but he would not change his mind, effectively treating Europe like an 8 year old child. This may have something to do with why most of the world hates the US.

He rejected an international accord to enforce the 1972 treaty banning germ warfare. Of course that would mean that the US would have to stop producing biological agents too.

And talk about the fox watching over the hen house, he nominated former mining company executive Dan Lauriski as Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

He allocated only 3% of the amount requested by Justice Department lawyers in the governments continued litigation against tobacco companies.

He prohibited any financial aid from going to international family planning organizations that provide abortion counseling, referrals, or services with their own funds.

He provided every member of the Bin Laden family living in the U.S. a chartered plane shortly after 9/11 to fly back home to Saudi Arabia without questioning them. One of GW' s first petroleum venture was partnered with the Bin Laden family and George Sr. has been getting filthy rich selling defense contracts to the Bin Ladens. These are just some examples of the many ties the Bush family has with the Bin Ladens.

He officially withdrew from the 1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, gutting the landmark agreement-the first time in the nuclear era that the US renounced a major arms control accord.

Refused to join 123 nations pledged to ban the use and production of anti-personnel bombs and mines, February 2001

September 2001: withdrew from International Conference on Racism, bringing together 163 countries in Durban, South Africa

Over the past 10 years, the US prison population has more than doubled. This is mainly due to unfair three strikes laws, and harsher drug penalties. OK so maybe W. wasn' t behind this one, but the Republicans are.

International Plan for Cleaner Energy: G-8 group of industrial nations (US, Canada, Japan, Russia, Germany, France, Italy, UK), July 2001: the US was the only one to oppose it.

George replied, "Ken who?" when asked about his relationship with Kenneth Lay, the CEO of Enron, during the federal bankruptcy hearings. This was after Enron gave him their company jet to use for his presidential campaign. George and Kenny were such good friends that Ken was actually seen giving wedgies to the president in the oval office. Yet he still replied, "Ken who?"



Some quotes

"Arbolist...Look up the word. I don't know, maybe I made it up. Anyway, it's an arbo-tree-ist, someone who knows about trees."
Crawford, TX 8/21/01

"It's your money, you paid for it."
La Crosse, WI 10/18/00

"The Bob Jones policy on interracial dating, I mean I spoke out on interracial dating. I spoke out against that. I spoke out against interracial dating. I support the policy of interracial dating."
CBS News 2/25/00

"I don't read what's handed to me."
New York, NY 3/15/00

"More and more of our imports come from overseas."
Beaverton, OR 9/29/00

"I understand small business growth. I was one."
New York, NY 2/19/00

"Natural gas is hemispheric. I like to call it hemispheric in nature because it is a product that we can find in our neighborhoods."
Austin, Texas 12/20/00

"If affirmative action means what I just described, what I'm for, then I'm for it."
St. Louis, MO 10/18/00

"This is Preservation Month. I appreciate preservation...You gotta preserve."
Nashua, NH 1/28/00

"Rarely is the question asked: Is our children learning?"
Florence, SC 1/11/00

"They Misunderestimated me."
Bentonville, AR 11/6/00

"I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question."
Reynoldsburg, OH 10/4/00

"Our priorities is our faith."
Greensboro, NC 10/10/00

"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator."
Washington, DC 12/18/00

"There's nothing more deep than recognizing Israel's right to exist. That's the most deep thought of all...I can't think of anything more deep than that."
Washington, DC, 3/13/02

"And so, in my State of the my State of the Union or state-my speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, speech to the nation-I asked Americans to give 4,000 years-4,000 hours over the next-the rest of your life-of service to America. That's what I asked for-4,000 hours."
Bridgeport, CT, 4/9/02

"This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating."
New York, NY 4/23/02

"For a century and a half now, America and Japan have formed one of the great and enduring alliances of modern times (Dude, it's been like 60 years)."
Tokyo 2/18/02

"I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believeÑI believe what I believe is right."
Rome 7/22/01

"I think we agree, the past is over."
Dallas, TX 5/10/00




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Down with Bush!  Down!

I don't love Kerry, but still, he's miles better than Bush.


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Thanks for that Biscuit, it was very informative and quite humourous in places! Bush also has the lowest IQ of any President doesn't he? Or maybe I've misunderestimated him!!!!LOL

He does scare me and everyone over here though - it's like a step back to a time when nuclear war was a real threat!

Bring back Clinton!


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Quoted from The_End, posted April 1, 2004, 12:11pm at here
He does scare me and everyone over here though - it's like a step back to a time when nuclear war was a real threat!

Bring back Clinton!


He scares us too.  But we have to live with that mistake.  Clinton should have been able to be re-elected.  I believe a president should not be limited to two terms.  As long as the majority want a certain president in office, he should stay. 
Again, just my opinion..


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Quoted from John@work, posted April 1, 2004, 3:44pm at here

Clinton should have been able to be re-elected.  I believe a president should not be limited to two terms.  As long as the majority want a certain president in office, he should stay. 
Again, just my opinion..


Yeah, I've never really understood that! If someone is seen to be doing a good job then maybe they should stay till they're voted out. It really is amazing how much damage someone can do in such a short time.


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I Think Clinton wasn't that great of a president. he was okay. the best p
resident we had was FDR and he was president for 14 years.


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Clinton was re-elected, wasn't he? But no president in the US can be re-elected for the 2nd time. (They can be the president for 8 years maximum)
He was a good president, not the very best, but the best in the past few decades.

Yep, everything is better than Bush.

Thanx Biscuit, for the informations, they were really interresting for me!

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After FDR ran for so long they made it to where you can only serve two terms


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Quoted from Taxgirl, posted April 2, 2004, 1:06pm at here

Yep, everything is better than Bush.


You said it!
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Quoted from patton, posted April 2, 2004, 2:39pm at here
After FDR ran for so long they made it to where you can only serve two terms


I think that's a shame.


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Quoted from Taxgirl, posted April 2, 2004, 1:06pm at here

Thanx Biscuit, for the informations, they were really interresting for me!



You're welcome. Spread the word!


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