Rax, I think what he means is that that they can't be what people want them to be.
Yes if he thought everybody wanted them to be the guys they were by 1964, but aren't he saying too that they just could be what they already were by then: older guys, that even being all together they wouldn't be the group people knew but another thing? ...
... I don't think he's saying they wouldn't be together never again ... (I think he said -probably in another interview for another magazine- that they could be together again but press would ruin it or that they could do an album but with a different name ... something like that) ...
... anyway, I can't see, by his words, the doors closed ... and the project of the documentary was there for the four of them ... that could be easily the first step ... only my feelings ...
People can debate the merits of a reunion all they want, but many people still wanted that reunion whether good or bad.
I realize the Beatles are perceived differently amongst the various age groups. I'm not sure how many generations removed can appreciate the cult-like aspect of the Beatles. I can remember really being sucked in by that.
The Beatles will always be remixed and experimented with. In this sense, they'll always be Beatles reunions. Just get technology involved and you can bring the dead back to life in film and sound.
I can see the point made that McCartney was the most band-oriented at the time of Lennon's death. I think George and Ringo were fairly active in playing with other musicians. Lennon's the exception. Would he have been up to the challenge? Would his former team mates have had to have babysat him throughout the endeavor of recording together again?
McCartney was light years ahead of them being so immersed in music as he was in terms of composing and performing. I think, too, that Yoko influenced John in ways we can't be very sure of. How did that affect his music? Also, would Yoko have been a presence again, thus possibly hindering the quality of the reunion?
No, they'd never be a true band again. They'd have to go back to 1966 for that mode. I wonder how good their last albums would have been if they had never stopped touring and if John'd never met Yoko. Can you imagine a mature Beatles still full of the zest and creativity they had during AHDN? I think we'd have had "better" albums from them and the WA may never have been. We'd have had something more solid and coherent IMO. Oh well, speculate away. That's all we can do at this point in time. RIP - J & G.
John had ALREADY signed a contract to appear with them as a group again for a one-off (at that time) concert sequence for the Long And Winding Road (Anthology) project.
THAT's just -that- much more that the rotten mess MDC took away from us.
Quoted from misterchaz
I somehow felt you might be skeptical, Maria. Just a shot in the dark I guess.
Back when I was a recording engineer in the late 80's I got a monthly magazine called MIX. It was an industry publication, and one month it featured an interview with an entertainment lawyer.
At some point in the interview he was asked about his dealings with the Beatles and he relayed the story that the contract had been signed in August of 1980 for John to appear with them in this capacity. It would have been like the rooftop concert, not a live appearance. They had planned to do this Anthology project since 1970, 1971, so this was not out of character and had been planned for some time. Much like Free As A Bird/Real Love was eventually done.
I was very upset after reading that to realize what had been taken away by John's death. I never saw or heard of these remarks again until about a year ago when the subject came up in rec.music.beatles newsgroup. When I mentioned this article it was confirmed by 2 or 3 others, one of whom wrote out a timeline of the events.
I know. Mind-blowing. But quite true, I assure you. There is *always* something to discover about these guys...the depth of their phenomenon is astounding.
I USED to think I was a Beatle expert until I started frequenting these forums and realizing I was only slightly above average. There is a lot I have learned in the last 5 years.
I've read this:
"Friday June 23, 1994
The "Threatles", as planned, resume recordings at George's FPHOTS Studios in Henley. During the day, they decide, briefly, to attempt a version of 'Let It Be' for inclusion in the finale of the forthcoming Anthology projects. Due to John's absence, they reject this idea and instead turn their hands to a safer collection of rock'n'roll oldies. During this session, recorded on videotape by a two-camera setup, Paul, George and Ringo perform 'Thinking Of Linking', 'Ain't She Sweet', 'Love Me Do', 'I Saw Her Standing There' and many others, including 'Blue Moon Of Kentucky'. As Ringo recalls: "It was just two acoustic guitars and me on brushes." Sadly the session fails to materialise anywhere in the finished Anthology series and, to date, only 'Blue Moon Of Kentucky' has seen the light of day, with a short one minute clip appearing on ABC TV's Good Morning America on December 4, 1996. (The idea of "The Beatles as they are now" in performance was originally planned for The Long And Winding Road back in 1980, as John Lennon's affidavit of November 28 testified.) Film of Paul, George and Ringo today at George's Friar Park mansion appears in the Anthology series, including clips such as George's new McLaren sports car, with the three Beatles getting out of the car and entering his studios. Paul is heard to say, "Nice motor, nice motor. Shall we go and make a record?" This clip introduces the first screening of 'Real Love' during the first American screening of the Anthology broadcasts, and sitting around the table, with Paul talking about "The Beatles getting back together", used as a clip that introduces 'Free As A Bird'. In addition, there is miscellaneous film of the three sitting on the lawn in George's grounds, reflecting on their time in India back in 1968, where George plays, on a ukulele, his unreleased song 'Dehra Dun' and Paul plays 'I Will' on an acoustic guitar. It is during this garden get-together that the idea for a 'Let It Be' finale is scrapped. (The three Beatles will not reconvene for more sessions until February 6 and 7, 1995 - see entry.) "
Yoko reveals that in 1991 George and Neil Aspinall (not Paul) approached her with the idea of adding new instrumentation and vocals to existing John demos. According to Aspinall, she gives Paul "two cassettes of John's songs, containing five or six tracks". (In fact, Yoko gives to Paul three tapes containing the four John Lennon demos.) As Yoko recalls: "It was all settled before then. I just used that occasion (the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame) to hand over the tapes personally to Paul." She continues: "I did not break up The Beatles, but I was there at the time you know? Now, I'm in a position where I could bring them back together and I would not want to hinder that. It was a situation given to me by fate." Just prior to the Hall Of Fame event, Paul had asked Yoko if there was anything of John's that never came out."
Interesting that it's George who was interestied, uh? ... but it's not a surprize to me, they were not hating each other as much as some people seem to believe ...
I don't think there was much bad blood tbh. Sometimes you just don't talk to people, don't mean you hate them or dislike them, you just don't talk to them. It would probably have happened at some point but it's probably for the best that it didn't.
They even spent some good moments together back then ...
"Saturday May 19, 1979
At his Hurtwood Edge home in Surrey, Eric Clapton throws a party for 200 guests to celebrate his marriage to George's first wife, the former Patti Boyd. (The couple married in Tucson, Arizona, on March 27.) At the end of the evening, Paul, George and Ringo, as well as the other celebrities present, including Mick Jagger, Denny Laine, Ginger Baker and Lonnie Donegan, join Eric for an impromptu concert on a stage set up in a large marquee tent in his grounds. They run through various old rock'n'roll hits and even some Beatles' covers. Friends and family take souvenir pictures of the event, although none have appeared in print."
This photo was taken in Eric Clapton and Patti's wedding party in 1979, this was the first "Threetles" photo to appear of those three members (Paul, George and Ringo) together since the 1969 Tittenhurst Park photo session.
Well, it was just an improptu jam (of drunken people?) ... but they should have been such great moments than a couple of years later they repeated it ...
"Monday April 27, 1981
At 3:45pm, Joseph Jevans marries Ringo and Barbara Bach at the Marylebone Registry Office in London, the couple having arrived at the registry office in a London taxi cab. Barbara's dress was specially created by the Emmanuel's design team in London, who are currently hard at work designing the dress for the future Princess Diana's wedding to Prince Charles in July. Mr Jevans was the same registrar who conducted the marriage of Paul and Linda in the same room back on March 12, 1969. Besides the McCartneys and some of their children, those attending include George and Olivia, Neil Aspinall, Derek Taylor, Harry Nilsson, Ray Cooper and Ringo's mother and stepfather (Elsie and Harry). Following the service, the couples pose for official wedding photographer Terry O'Neil, who had flown in especially from New York for the occasion. The 70 guests then attend a reception at the Mayfair club Rags, where an all-star jam session takes place, featuring George on guitar, Paul and Nilsson alternating on piano and Ringo sharing teaspoon percussion with Ray Cooper. For their wedding rings, Ringo had two fragments of glass from the shattered windscreen from their May 19, 1980 car crash set into two star-shaped gold rings as a reminder of their good fortune. At the reception, the former Beatles and their partners pose for a group photo, the first time three of The Beatles have been photographed together since August 22, 1969. As a souvenir of the day, Ringo and Barbara give each of their guests a solid silver star."
[...] (The idea of "The Beatles as they are now" in performance was originally planned for The Long And Winding Road back in 1980, as John Lennon's affidavit of November 28 testified.) [...] "
As part of a legal deposition for Apple Corps against the producers of the Beatlemania stage show, John states today that: "I and the three other former Beatles have plans to stage a reunion concert," an event to be filmed and included as the finale to The Long And Winding Road, an official Beatles produced documentary to be released in the mid-Eighties. (John's deposition will not be made public until the case is settled on June 4, 1986[...]. "
In California at the Los Angeles Superior Court, the judge Paul Breckenridge orders the producers of the Beatlemania stage show and film to pay Apple Corps Ltd a total of $10.5 million in damages. Breckenridge rules that: "Beatlemania's primary purpose was to commercially exploit The Beatles' popularity." The suit is settled when John's original deposition of November 28, 1980 is heard."
In California at the Los Angeles Superior Court, the judge Paul Breckenridge orders the producers of the Beatlemania stage show and film to pay Apple Corps Ltd a total of $10.5 million in damages. Breckenridge rules that: "Beatlemania's primary purpose was to commercially exploit The Beatles' popularity." The suit is settled when John's original deposition of November 28, 1980 is heard."
I think it's important to remember that Johns statement was made purely with the intent of influencing the judges decision in the courtcase by showing that The Beatles had a continuing interest in The Beatles name. No doubt he was advised to do this by a lawyer. Now, I don't want to offend any lawyers out there, but.....
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