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Downloaded this fantastic piece of overlooked work from unreleasedbeatles, and was wondering if anyone by chance knows where I could find a guitar tab for this song?  Not that I couldn't learn it by ear myself, it's just easier and faster the other way.
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Hmm... it isn't a bad song... I don't know where the guitar tab would be though.. I will look and then get back to you.


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It'll probably be in a George Harrison song book - Not Guilty was first officially released on George's eponymous album, so there should be sheet music for that somewhere.


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OH, I would love to play this song on mmy guitar its one of my fav from George
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I love this song, the singing style is great.


Whats the matter lads? Blue Meanies?

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a song that surely would have been number 1.....


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And would've been oh so much more welcomed than Revolution 9.
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Quoted from Jake
And would've been oh so much more welcomed than Revolution 9.

Sure!!! ... Sour Milk Sea too.

1. Not Guilty (recorded but unreleased until his solo album from 1979 titled "George Harrison", you know it from the Anthology 3 and it sounds very similar).
2. Sour Milk Sea (demo in Kinfauns, May 68, recorded by Jackie Lomax that year with George producing it -a good one that the guys should have used in TWA, IMO).
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... and some others ...

3. Circles (demo from the same sessions in Esher, mostly instrumental at that moment and was unreleased till his solo album from 1982 titled "Gonne Troppo", no a great one, indeed).

4. See Yourself (actually in his 33 1/3 LP-1976):
"... is directly related to taking the drug LSD and Paul's experience with the press. John and I had taken two years before it was publicised. After having had that experience we (John and I) wanted the others to know about it because suddenly there seemed to be a big space between us and the other two. Ringo then had some but Paul would not take it. After about two years he finally did, and somehow then it all came out in the papers.

They went to Paul and said 'Have you taken the dangerous drug LSD?' and he said 'Look, I'm going to tell the truth: it's going to be your rsponsability, as the newspapers, passing it on'. So they said 'Look, just tell us, have you taken it or not?' and he said 'Yes'. And of course they passed it on to the waiting world. There was a big outcry with people saying 'You should have said 'No!'. I wrote most of that song back in 1967 but didn't finish it until much later.

It's easier to tell a lie than it is to tell the truth
It's easier to kill a fly than it is to turn it loose
It's easier to criticize somebody else
Than to see yourself

It was one of the tunes that I forgot about but in 1976 I remembered it, completed the lyrics to the bridge and the second and third verses, and recorded it that year."

5. Something (in a very early version at piano at the end of the sessions of TWA -inspired by "Something In The Way" of James Taylor, it's said that the same day Paul made an early version of what would become Let It Be).

I like them more than Piggies, for example ...
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At least Piggies could be used by Paul  

I su-pose that more than one have heard Piggies in Paul's Tiny Bubble (Driving Rain, 2001):


Tiny Bubble (McCartney) (Driving Rain LP, 2001)

If you're part of my love
Don't leave home tonight
While we're sleeping we can learn to see that
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside
Those of us who notice are
Expected to hide
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside, the truth


When I look in your eyes
I can see the sky
Shining down upon the perfect garden
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside
Those of us who notice are
Expected to hide
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside the truth


You can't imagine just what I've been going through
I wouldn't wish it on a soul much less on you
I well remember when my heart was free
My soul could laugh, so could we

If you're part of my love
Don't leave home tonight
While we're sleeping we can learn to see that
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside
Those of us who notice are
Expected to hide
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside, the truth


You can't imagine just what I've been going through
I wouldn't wish it on a soul much less on you
I well remember when my soul was free
My heart could sing, so could we

If you're part of my love
You won't leave home tonight
While we're sleeping we can learn to see that
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside
All the world's a tiny bubble
Floating inside


Piggies (Harrison) (The Guys LP, 1968 )

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all the little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

Have you seen the bigger piggies
In their starched white shirts
You will find the bigger piggies
Stirring up the dirt
Always have clean shirts to play around in.

In their styes with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
In their eyes there's something lacking
What they need's a damn good whacking.


Everywhere there's lots of piggies
Living piggy lives
You can see them out for dinner
With their piggy wives
Clutching forks and knives to eat their bacon.



I've heard that George forgave Paul 12 days before his death and he decided not to sue him for that plagiarism.
That was George ... I miss you friend.
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The hook might be similiar, but where's the plagiarism?


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I don't see the similarities. Is it supposed to sound similiar. I've never heard that Paul song. I don't really want to buy Driving Rain to find out either.


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Let's forget it ...
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I've heard that George forgave Paul 12 days before his death and he decided not to sue him for that plagiarism.
That was George ... I miss you friend.


I wonder if George could have won that since Paul was actually in the band that he was supposedly plagiarising? That would have been interesting to see. Its not a clear cut case like Georges 'My Sweet Lord' issue. Hmmmm,,,,


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I've never heard that Paul song. I don't really want to buy Driving Rain to find out either.


Try it Sandra, you might like it. (As I sit here listening to Ringo the 4th and enjoying it)



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I think that 'Not Guilty' was the song that The Beatles worked on the most with 100 takes - and still they didn't use it!
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I wonder if George could have won that since Paul was actually in the band that he was supposedly plagiarising? That would have been interesting to see. Its not a clear cut case like Georges 'My Sweet Lord' issue. Hmmmm,,,,


Maybe ... if you can't forget it ... by the way, were George and Paul the same person?

Sorry, I forgot it: let's forget it ...
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I think that 'Not Guilty' was the song that The Beatles worked on the most with 100 takes - and still they didn't use it!
no i think get back has that distinction.



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They worked a lot on All Things Must Pass too ... a good one that was not used  
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Quoted from zilch
I think that 'Not Guilty' was the song that The Beatles worked on the most with 100 takes - and still they didn't use it!


Marshall is probably right with 'Get Back', but how many takes did they do with 'Maxwells Silver Hammer'? Wasnt all of them peeved at Paul due to how many takes that silly song was taking?



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Maybe ... if you can't forget it ... by the way, were George and Paul the same person?

Sorry, I forgot it: let's forget it ...


Come on Raxo, I wasnt trying to argue or get into it about if the song was actually plagiarized or not, I dont really care. I just wanted an opinion if somebody actually tried to sue an actual member of the band that they were supposedly plagiarizing from. Sorry if it was touchy subject for you, but i'll agree to forget it.

Lets move on.



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Come on Raxo, I wasnt trying to argue or get into it about if the song was actually plagiarized or not, I dont really care. I just wanted an opinion if somebody actually tried to sue an actual member of the band that they were supposedly plagiarizing from. Sorry if it was touchy subject for you, but i'll agree to forget it.

Lets move on.



I've got no problem, mate ... indeed I was trying to begin a debate but nobody wanted, so ...    

This following is off-topic and it should be on "random thought" thread or so, but:
I've noticed that many people understand quite different things reading the same sentence if you don't use faces and smilies and winks and so ... it seems that you're not as friendly as usual if you don't use them, and it's not so ... I'm half sad and half surprised about the replies to some others ... I'm sure that just because of this thing of the smilies and so ... We're afraid of hurting our people but more of hurting the rest of us, aren't we?  

P.S. All the "you" are used here with a general meaning, I mean, I'm included on them  ...

P.S.S. Oops, I almost forgot it once more: let's forget it
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I've got no problem, mate ... indeed I was trying to begin a debate but nobody wanted, so ...    



I would have debated that. I hope I didnt come across as harsh. Hell man, this board has had its intense moments and everybody has gotten over it (well,,,most everybody). Anyways, I know I can come across as a real jerk sometimes, but that was not intended. One more item for food for thought,,,,,,'Tiny Bubble' is a better song than 'Piggies'.  

Ok, I promise you that I will forget it now.

Peace my friend.


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I would have debated that. I hope I didnt come across as harsh. Hell man, this board has had its intense moments and everybody has gotten over it (well,,,most everybody). Anyways, I know I can come across as a real jerk sometimes, but that was not intended. One more item for food for thought,,,,,,'Tiny Bubble' is a better song than 'Piggies'.  

Ok, I promise you that I will forget it now.

Peace my friend.


I'm afraid I can't forget it by now, my friend.

I don't like Piggies ... so I agree that Tiny Bubble is better .. but not much better  

I know something abutt the hard times ... I was here (as a guess) and I think I know how you are, so no problem ... the thing was that I thought you didn't understand that I was not specially sensitive with this topic   ... that's what I was trying to explain with my little speech ... sometimes I forget my 'smilies' and then some Miss-undertanding is born  

Peace, Love and Hope for you and yours.

P.S. It seems I'd have bought a posy today ... LOL!!!
Oops ... I forgot it again:    
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I don't like Piggies ... so I agree that Tiny Bubble is better .. but not much better  



You speak the truth here. I'm not ashamed to say that i've hit the skip button on both of them a time or two.


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Yep, I know you're not the only one  
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plagarism could be a harsh word...they experienced many situations together and maybe each wrote their interupitation in similar verse of a same situation or maybe one was replying his veiw to the other...hard to know for sure unless you are directly involve....in fact i think that the beatles should be safe from suits against each other because of consecutive experiences....can you dig it brothers and sisters??????!!! live and let live....


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I second pc31's words ...
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At least Piggies could be used by Paul  

I su-pose that more than one have heard Piggies in Paul's Tiny Bubble (Driving Rain, 2001):

[...]


I've heard a kind of fast version of Paul's Martha My Dear in George's 1968 Wonderwall instrumental Drilling A Home (spicealley in the long piano intro) ...

... and this could be easilly not the only example for Paul inspiration: another Wonderwall track, Ski Ing (with that riff over the driving drums and bass), could have been an early version of one of Paul's 1971 Wild Life short links between p(r)oper songs ...

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I forgot to mention that George's 1968 Wonderwall instrumental Drilling A Home one-minute piano intro is almost an early fast version of Paul's Martha My Dear plus Rocky Racoon honk tonk piano ... both from some months later ...
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