What's your opinion of John's sons? Do you like their music, them, etc. I'm curious and I also wanted to start a new topic because there seems to be an influx of album-rating threads, which are OK but I hate rating songs on albums I love.

So....what do you think of them?

My opinion: Sean and Julian are very talented. I prefer Sean's music and consider him very handsome. Julian's OK as well.

Thanks. Bye.

I think Julian is the most talented of John's sons with Valotte being his only great album & the title track itself his only masterpiece as an artist while suffering the curse of just being a novelty act that happens to all offspring of rock legends from Dweezil Zappa, Lisa Marie Presley, Kelly Osbourne & his step brother Sean.

Ummm...you seriously haven't heard "Photograph Smile" or even "Help Yourself" by Julian, then, if you think he only had one good album and it was the first one. He is talented, in my opinion.

And Sean isn't a "novelty" act because he never had a hit song to begin with- which is good for him, because I find his music more creative and interesting than Julian's. Plus Sean has a wide musical range and experiments with different styles.

I remember seeing a video for Sean Lennon a long time ago. I don't even remember what the song was though. The only other time I heard him singing was on this dvd I got where people were singing John's songs. He was a good singer.

Julian is pretty good. He sounds and looks an awful lot like his father.

Sean isn't Julian's step brother by the way he's his real brother. I haven't heard anything Sean does but I want to. I didn't know he could sing. I thought he might have taken after his mother. Good thing John's gene's broke through. Does he sound like his dad?

I saw Sean on tv once and it scared me.  Maybe it was just a bad face day.

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted June 13, 2004, 2:51am at here

Sean isn't Julian's step brother by the way he's his real brother.

Julian and Sean have the same father, different mothers. That means they are step-brothers. If you want to argue that further, can we arrange to have a $10,000 bet - or $20,000, whatever you like?!

Just for the record, my take on Julian and Sean is this: Julian has quite a lot of talent, and his work is very pleasant. Julian has a "diluter" dose of his father's talent. However, Sean's dose is almost pure water; tough luck Sean!

No. Julian and Sean are HALF brothers. Step brothers are those who do not have the same mother or father, but may be the child of a step-parent. I have a half-brother so I know.

Like I said, Julian is talented. However, I'll bet no one here had the fortune of seeing Sean live to know really how extremely talented he is, so most are assuming only on the basis of what they know- and considering, of the two, that Julian had the more mainstream success and has a voice eerily similar to John's. But Sean, whose voice is not as similar to John's as Julian's, has taken what he has (and I consider it a lot) and decided to create his own music, his own sound, and not try and be like his father.

And I can't say the same for Julian, whose first album had tracks on it that sounded very similar to John's later material. I mean, they were good songs...but where is the originality? Sean may be different, but he is aware of the fact that by simply copying his father he won't ever pave his own thing. So he doesn't, and if you hear his music (which is beautiful) you realize that he's a smart kid, very talented, and very creative.

If he did inherit something of Yoko, why is that so bad? Sure she is a sucky singer and all, but she's also-lest we forget- crazily unique and a total individual in the things she does. Of course, this could be a message board polluted with Yoko haters, so I'll be the odd person and say I consider her a very compelling artist.

They are indeed half-brothers of each other. Julian is Yoko's step-son, Sean is Cynthia's step-son; in that sense they are step-brothers. Kyoko is John's step-daughter; she is half-sister to Sean; Sean and Kyoko are a step-brother/sister pair, or a half-brother/sister pair depending on your angle.

But I admit it was "half-brother" I was thinking of! Glad I didn't take a bet with you, Runforyourlife!!

Don't worry about it Maria. I make mistakes every day, as does anyone else, so it is no problemo.

But really...I want to know if anyone has heard Sean and Julian's music and can comment on some songs. I want some concrete material to work with here, because I hate arguing to a point that no one is even making. I think they are both interesting to talk about and I would love to share a conversation with anyone about his two sons. Not just about whose has more success and such, but what about their music? Ayone like a particular song?

Seriously...let's talk about Sean and Julian.

A half brother is a real brother though right. I mean they are related. I have two 'half' brothers and one 'whole' brother, but to me there's no difference. I look more like one of my halfs than I do my whole. Related is related. I would never like being refered to as a half anything anyway.

Quoted from Runforyourlife, posted June 13, 2004, 2:07pm at here

  If he did inherit something of Yoko, why is that so bad? Sure she is a sucky singer and all, but she's also-lest we forget- crazily unique and a total individual in the things she does. Of course, this could be a message board polluted with Yoko haters, so I'll be the odd person and say I consider her a very compelling artist.

I was talking about his singing. And that would not be such a great thing to inherit from his mother. That's not Yoko hating, it's reality. I don't hate her at all. I'm indifferent if anything. I really don't know enough about her to say either way.

Maccalvr...I was not directing my post just at you, but the general concensus. Just in case, for example (since it is not uncommon) people here hate Yoko and wish to enunciate the fact that she has no talent. I disagree and think she has talent, but its not accessible talent, the talent that most people would normally warm to.

Anyhow, Sean dod NOT inherit Yoko's voice. If anything, he sounds a hell of a lot more like John, but his voice is more soft, higher-pitched, and sweet. Its actually a lovely voice. I'm a big fan of it.

Half-brothers are real brothers, and I don't think either Julian or Sean refer to each other as "My half-brother" but actually say "my brother" because they think of each other as such, just like John's two sisters Julian and Jacqui don't ever call him their half-brother. They call him "my brother John."

Really...even if you have a step-brother and you feel that brotherly love and closeness, you may refer to him as brother and nothing is wrong with that.

OK, so who has heard Sean's album "Into the Sun?" I'd like to talk about the songs on there with anyone who cares...they are so beautiful.

I found a pic of Sean posted at another message board and I thought I would share it:



Well, if you all want to talk about Julian's music instead I don't mind. I just feel like talking about their music because no one ever really does and I thought it would be interesting.

To hell with Sean, who's the babe? 

Isn't that Bijou Phillips?  Yes

Quoted from Beatle_Ed, posted June 14, 2004, 3:15am at here

Isn't that Bijou Phillips?  Yes

It might be Mick Jagger's daughter....I know of the two of them have been going out for a while....

No it is Bijou I'm pretty sure.

Ah, thanks for the extra pictures and clarification.....I just listened to some Sean Lennon stuff on Rhapsody......I'm not really fond of his stuff.....seems a bit too light without going anywhere....reminds me of Paul McCartney......I've got Julian on right now.....he sounds A LOT like John, but the songs don't interest me too much, although they are semi remniscent of John's final works.

Yeah, I didn't know who that girl was either. I just saw it on some other board and decided to post it, though I did think to myself that she looked rather trampy, though her outfit in this pic of the link you posted isn't too bad...


But anyway...thanks Rowdy for actually saying something about their music. What songs were you listening to? I agree that Sean's music is very light. But its also very intricate and melodic. Julian's music is more adult-contemporary I guess. But he does a lot of ballads and such.

Well, I guess I'll just talk about Sean because I prefer him...

Has anyone heard his song "Paper Plane"? Please go and download it and tell me what you think, if its possible. Absolutely marvelous song. Love it.

Did anyone at least see Sean perform "This Boy" or "Julia" at the John Lennon "Come Together" concert...I'd like to hear some comments.

I really think Sean is very talented. I listen to his songs and, at first, you hear them and they go right through you because its so poppy and bouncy and happy-sounding, much like the Beach Boys- who I actually don't care for. But after listening for awhile, I just can't get enough of it.

I've asked myself if its some subconscious affair where I'm actually making myself like Sean because he's John's boy. But then I realize I'm not that nutty for Julian, or any of my other fave rock star's kid's stuff. My appreciation of Sean is completely 100% sincere. On top of that, I'd see him live again any day.

He's supposedly coming out with a new album this year, but there isn't much news. The only news they ever have about him is mundane crap about all the girls he's sleeping around with. Nasty little male whore. But that's alright. He's young and everything...just as long as it doesn't sidetrack him for too long.

I like both of the boys in moderation. I liked some of Seans stuff on Into the sun, but too much of it will give you a migraine.  I like Julian some too, but he has a tendency to get a bit drab.  But he does sound quite a bit like John.

I think this would be my top 10 for Julian:

1. Cold
2. Valotte
3. Day After Day
4. Too Late for Goodbyes
5. Cole's Song
6. Kiss Beyond the Catcher
7. Take Me Home
8. Say You're Wrong
9. I Get Up
10. Photograph Smile

And then SEAN:

1. Happiness
2. Mystery Juice
3. Heart and Lung
4. Paper Plane
5. Spaceship
6. Into the Sun
7. Queue
8. One Night
9. Bathtub
10. Dream

Well...that's for today.

I'm kind of sad no one really knows much about their music and this topic has basically been me continually posting to myself, but oh well.

Perhaps the people who do know their songs can share what songs they like by each or what not.

Too Late For Goodbyes.  Great song.  That's it.

Never heard Sean, can't help you.

Vallote was the Julian album that I was listening to...the title song was definitely the highlight....probably because it seemed a bit more removed from John's stuff....I swear I heard something on that album late last night that was just like "Cleanup Time"...I listened to the first few tracks of Sean's release, I had a bit of trouble distinguishing one from the next though...I would say that what I heard of both artists was good, but not good enough for me to want to listen to again and all......Julian is the greater talent in my opinion, although Sean's work is definitely the more experimental of the two...wouldn't it be cool if we got some sort of Dhani/Zak/Sean/ "Does Paul Have a musically inclined son around their age"? Band....

Julian definitely is a chip of the old block,lot's of his father in him.As for Sean i haven't really heard much of his material but i'm a little leery of any spawn of yoko,lol.

Well, like I said, people have their preconceived notions about Sean because he's Yoko's kid. But Yoko still remains a fascinating artist to me. Just because she's not your thing doesn't mean you have to cast her out as untalented.

I HOPE when Sean does release his album that he does some publicity or something. He seems kind of uncommercial in that way, but it would help so people outside of myself, and a few others who actually know his music, can get to hear it and make up their minds- hopefuly without any biases.

Here's a new pic of Sean from the other day, with some girl.

I Love Valotte, though often times I forget about it. And INTO THE SUN is my favorite Sean song

Quoted from Runforyourlife, posted June 14, 2004, 7:17pm at here

Did anyone at least see Sean perform "This Boy" or "Julia" at the John Lennon "Come Together" concert...I'd like to hear some comments.

I have that Come Together concert on dvd and I really liked Sean's performances.

I just found out that the title of one of Sean's new songs is "Dead Meat" or something like that. I'll check to find any new info. I'll come back periodically with any new news I find on either Sean or Julian.

I just heard some songs by Julian and one by Sean, and I think they both are talented. Julian reminds me of his dad more though, but Sean's not far away. But really, think about it, they're John's sons, I think it was a given that they'd get some talent, John had enough to pass some along.

Ringorama, what songs did you hear by both?

It's nice that some people are kind of replying to this topic even though there's really nothing specific being said (besides my langorous posts). I think Julian's got a voice very similar to his dad's, and I think his best album is by far Photograph Smile. He's a wonderful songwriter.

I was looking to see if I could find any more of the songs that may be on Sean's new album and I found out another song that may be on there is called "Freaking Out." So that's "Dead Meat" and "Freaking Out" and...I have no idea about any others. He is being awful quiet about his album, considering he finished it back in February and said it would be out in about 6 months. But I really doubt it. He's now signed to Capitol Records, while before he was signed to some indie-label, I think the Beatie Boys' label. So the album might be more "commercial"- which may be a bummer to me. I don't know. I'm just happy to hear anything new.

I've heard "Saltwater" and "Too Late for Goodbyes" by Julian and "Happiness" and "Jealous Guy" by Sean. (I did some more looking for songs by Sean cause I liked what I heard).

I'm excited to see a new album by Sean. Thanks for the info on it!

I've never heard "Jealous Guy" by Sean. Sounds interesting. I'll go look for it. Do you have a preference between Julian or Sean or you just like them both?

Hey, I'm happy to share any info I find on either of them for anyone who cares.

Quoted from Runforyourlife, posted June 22, 2004, 11:31pm at here

Do you have a preference between Julian or Sean or you just like them both?

I prefer Sean actually, I dono why, I just like Sean's voice.

Wow! That's great to hear. I won't boggle you down with my Sean ranting, though, because you're probably a new fan of his and I don't want to turn you off by going on and on about him. But I will say that I just love his voice, his musical abilities, and his personality. I like Julian as well, too, but not nearly as much as I like Sean.

I'll definitely update on any news I hear or read now that there is actually someone who likes Sean here besides myself.

Check out this pic I found. Its old I guess, but it shows John and his two sons and I guess it was attached to some article- which I have no idea about because I just found it on google. I think it would have to be from 1998, though.

Quoted from Runforyourlife, posted June 25, 2004, 11:09pm at here

Wow! That's great to hear. I won't boggle you down with my Sean ranting, though, because you're probably a new fan of his and I don't want to turn you off by going on and on about him. But I will say that I just love his voice, his musical abilities, and his personality.

No, it's fine, I don't know too much about Sean and I've been searching for all I can try and find of him. Do you have any songs to recomend? I'm trying to find more songs and it's not that easy

I found this one, thought I'd share it.
Julian and Sean together:

That's super nice Ringo...thanks for sharing. I prefer Sean with dark hair. Can you believe that now Julian's hair is blond and Sean's is dark? So ironic.

Julian and Sean get along really well. That's a totally unbiased observation. I read it from both of them. They really love and support each other.

Some Sean songs to download would be:

Queue
Spaceship
Into the Sun
Heart and Lung
Home
Mystery Juice
Paper Plane
Dream
One Night
Two Fine Lovers

Maybe you can even find his album "Into the Sun" on ebay. Its totally worth it.

Sean Is dating Mick Jaggers daughter now. What is it with him and Musicians kids? lol

Those are all great Sean pictures that have been posted.

I feel so bad if any of these pics are from someone's site, but I did not save any of them and am not claiming them as mine. I simply googled Sean. That's how I get my pics. I'm too lazy to actually look through any mags and scan stuff.

I heard Sean was dating someone's daughter. Would she be in that pic I posted of him in the beard? I'm not sure, but its a recent pic of him so I wonder. He's ALWAYS dating different women. I found a pic of him with some girl who looks like a familiar actress, whom he also apparantly dated:



I saw him in INSTYLE magazine quite a while ago sitting next to Ozzie Osbourne's good-looking daughter.

I think Sean needs to focus a little more on his music. I want his album to come out. He can have any woman he wants, I could care less, but RELEASE your fricken CD already.