Eh....with Revolution 9 and Goodnight.....you realize it's not perfect after a few listens.....then again, 28 songs of that caliber really is hard to top.
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best -- sexy sadie worst -- i don't really like helter skelter. i actually think rev.9 is pretty funny lol, i wouldn't consider it a song cuz of the sounds in it but i think it's cool.
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Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted July 31, 2004, 7:25pm at here
Favourite: Yer Blues
Least Favourite: Revolution 9.
Lennon trying to be Avante Garde...while realising Mccartney has been in the scene alot longer.
I hope you're not basing that on McCartney's statements (in Many Years From Now, for example) that he was into "avant garde" much more than John. He may have hung out with the cool people, but he wasn't doing it like John Lennon was!
Beware Macca the Revisionist ...
Revolution 9 is a pretty good attempt at a sound-collage telling a story. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's one of the ten best tracks on the album.
Revolution 9 is easily the worst thing on the album for me, and I just can't pick a favorite (some of them would be: Dear Prudence, Happiness is a Warm Gun, Helter Skelter, Savoy Truffle, While My Guitar Gently WeepsYer Blues}.
Although I don't much like REVOLUTION 9, I recognize its uniqueness for its time. But Maria, what story do you think it tells?
And what is this stuff about McCartney being more avant garde than Lennon??? That's a laugh --- the closest thing he ever did to avant garde was 12 years later with McCARTNEY II....
Quoted from Maria, posted August 1, 2004, 6:13am at here
I hope you're not basing that on McCartney's statements (in Many Years From Now, for example) that he was into "avant garde" much more than John. He may have hung out with the cool people, but he wasn't doing it like John Lennon was!
Beware Macca the Revisionist ...
Revolution 9 is a pretty good attempt at a sound-collage telling a story. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's one of the ten best tracks on the album.
Doing it like Lennon?
What does this mean? I meant mccartney on a musical-basis. Ok, Lennon is cool...but I just dont agree with his later political naivety, and his child-like anger towards Paul and the rest of them.
Paul lived in london, with the Ashers...Obviously Lennon was into the scene...but Paul had it at his fingertips. His arragments etc are just alot more professionaly achieved. Even Martin explains that Mccartney was ahead* in the so called Music game/Scene.
This is not Dissing Lennon..Im a huge fan of John. But I feel Mccartney gets dissed because of the ignorant-narow minded view that Lennon was the clever one..and Mccartney was the commercial happy face. This is nonsense.
Such an explanation can be atributted to the whole of the Beatles catalogue. I can understand that it was crazy and surreal etc..but there is a fine line between great experimentation..and utter rubbish.
Mccartney also dips into this catergory....erm...Wild honey Pie. I feel including such songs as these two indicated the ego over-riding the basic principles of making good music for the listener.
Ok, Lennon is cool...but I just dont agree with his later political naivety, and his child-like anger towards Paul and the rest of them.
I've always felt Lennon was right for feeling angry with the others, considering the way they insulted Yoko and treated her. The other Beatles really gave the two of them the business. John told a story, something like this (all from my memory, so bear with me): "George insulted her right to her face, just by being honest and saying 'I'm gonna be up front because this is what I've heard - that you've got a lousy name and you give off bad vibes' -- that's what George said to her and I didn't hit him, I don't know why...."
Also, John felt Paul was "attacking" him first, with RAM.
By the way, I don't agree with his politics these days anymore either (I used to). I always console myself by thinking that John was always changing so it's possible he would have grown more to the right in the 21st Century.
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Even Martin explains that Mccartney was ahead* in the so called Music game/Scene.
Are we talking musically or strictly avant garde?
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This is not Dissing Lennon..Im a huge fan of John. But I feel Mccartney gets dissed because of the ignorant-narow minded view that Lennon was the clever one..and Mccartney was the commercial happy face. This is nonsense.
I love McCartney's melodies. However, just this weekend my wife and I were driving upstate and we were listening to ABBEY ROAD and THE WHITE ALBUM for the first time in a long time. It hit me just how silly and sappy Paul was, especially with THE WHITE ALBUM -- after hearing Dear Prudence and Glass Onion we go into the silly Ob La Di Ob La Da. It sticks out like a sore thumb in that sequence.
Even worse is with ABBEY ROAD. You get the intense Come Together, right into the classic Something, and it all comes to kindergarten time with Maxwell's Silver Hammer!
Again - I like Paul -- and I'd name him the greatest songwriter of the 20th Century, just based on his melodies alone - but man, is he fruity...
yes. But I think its unfair not to mention the likes of Back in the USSR and Helter Skelter.
I agree with you on Abbey-Road, as this is a real sign of what is to come..(Wings) which is Paul appealing to all crowds..including the over 65's. But lets not forget Lennons Solo music..which includes songs such as Jelous Guy - Beautiful Boy etc...all having soppy arrangements with over-bearing strings..a sign of Spector Brainwashing!
Mccartney is fruity, but I feel you get a mixed bag of hits... When Im Sixy Four, Helter Skelter, Oh Darling, Honey Pie, Sgt Peppers, Get Back etc
Diversity. Lennon is great, and his mood, feelings and honesty all reflect through his songs..but you need a balance of dark with light. I think Mccartney realised this.
The range on Mccartneys voice..from Till there was you... Long Tall Sally/Kansas City....through to Blackbird/ I will..to Get Back/Ive got a feeling.
I haven't forgotten Paul's heavier rockers and things, but they're the minority for him. He's basically known to crank out silly love songs, and it's a label that will probably stick.
John was quite capable of mellow love stuff, too . In fact, he was probably more diverse than Paul. No way is everything Lennon did "dark". There's light there, too.
yes I know this. But again, isnt it a minority? (especially the later years). Silly Love Songs? I feel using the tag silly* is a great misunderstanding of how well crafted these pop-songs* are.
When Im Sixty Four..can be seen as a silly light hearted Story of getting old...But look behind the bouncy fruity sense and listen to the great harmonies, the negative downbeat of rhetorical statements, and the great voice..which Mccartney does with ease.
John and Pail were inspired by the same artists to a degree, but took on different ways of showing their appreciation.
Johns more autobiographical...while Mccartney is more proffesional in the sense of writing little stories about made up creations. This doesnt mean its all..Obla Di Obla Da*..Eleanor Rigby...a great creation with a dark and meaningful message. Truly fantastic.
It is a label that will stick with Paul, mainly becasue of his later work which is just terrrible (after the Beatles). There is no excuse for the change in direction..but it happens. If people think he could write like the Beatles stuff..then its stupid. people change, and move on to other things.
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