Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 2, 2004, 3:15pm at here
The White-Album Sleeve is a more symbol of meaning than anything, and is one of the greatest Designs ever created.
A "symbol of meaning". What on earth does that mean?
And ... one of the greatest designs ever created???? That's ridiculous. And in any case, Paul didn't create it. He simply had a say in the whole 2LP package.
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Lennon's books are generally witty and surreal, but it wasnt anything new, just a new voice to the already exploding sixities comdedy circuit (Peter and Dudley+ Python) etc plus his Lewis Carol inspiration.
No, nothing new, except for a "pop star" writing it. But more to the point here, JOHN did it, not Paul!
And by the way, you don't say "Peter and Dudley" but "Pete and Dud" or use their full names. And the Pythons were really a 70s thing, though their roots can be traced to the 60s, certainly.
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Oh, and if we are talking about Lennon was better at explaining through music, I feel this bow of respect should be handed over to George Martin.
And here it is: the classic sneer. It was really George Martin. Well, Mr Martin helped Paul out a lot too, didn't he?
Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted August 2, 2004, 6:06pm at here
But IndicaWalrus, instead of us coming up with all the "Lennon" things that make him so much more experimental and avante garde than "play it safe/P.R. Paulie," why don't you please list some of Paul's most risque vices while he was with the group (or even after -- I'll give you till 2004!)
The White Album design signifies the change in the Beatles as individuals and shows them moving away from the Haight-Ashbury scene of San Francisco which devoured most of society world-wide. The Design is pop art in all of its simplicity. Simplicity was key. Taking into account the full White-Album Package included four high-quality individual photographs (each expressing the opinions of each Beatle through image alone) and a huge and impressive collage of photographs showing the Beatles throughout the years. Never has anything been so pure, clean and different.
Paul may not have thought of the original design, but he helped create the collage, gave vital input, and looked over the whole project.
John may have wrote the books, and great, he always had a flare for art and literature, But this is not underground. If anything, its mainstream, but it a great way.
"And by the way, you don't say "Peter and Dudley" but "Pete and Dud" or use their full names"
Commenting on my typing error, does nothing for your arguement but highlights the childish streak of your response.
yes, Martin did help Mccartney, But here is the difference. With Mccartney, his Musical Ability soared past Lennons, and so he found things alot more natural.
Mccartney Arguement
- Created Peppers as we know it. Realised the change and went straight into action, materialising the definative Album Design of the 20th Century in the process.
- Mixed with the crowd of Boundary-pushing artists Including John Dunbar, Robert Fraser Barry Miles Etc. It is no coincidence my name is Indica - The Indica Book Shop and Gallery, owned by Miles etc in which they used to hang out, talk about jazz, Blues and other muscial roots as well as philosophies in many different shapes and forms. Through Paul, Lennon visited the Indica, and picked up the Tibetan Book of the dead.
- Maxwells Sliver Hammer may be joked as being a sloppy child song by Paul, but peel away the layers and your left with an interesting structure for pursuing personal beliefs. Pataphysical Society* was slipped into Maxwells lyrics, to darken the mood and give the song a twist of irony in its musical 'aims'.
- Tape Loops, Sound changing, exploring the 'avenues' of music were all shared through the Avante Garde scene of London around early 65 through to 66. Mccartney again, with the hindsight of his past experience through the bustling London scene, used it for his own devices on Revolver. The Most commercial* showing for Hilarity sake being on Yellow-Submarine.
- Magical Mystery Tour. Althought this art film never really came to much, the basic concept* was again to make a crazy surreal film that would feature the Beatles but in a different light. Note on the Anthology, Paul stayed behind each night, talked to the Camera men, Directed when he could..and basically handled the tour from start to finish.
* Concept is what we are mainly discussing, as the sixites was one huge sifting concept that seen society change.
"And by the way, you don't say "Peter and Dudley" but "Pete and Dud" or use their full names" Commenting on my typing error, does nothing for your arguement but highlights the childish streak of your response.
No, it wasn't a typing error. You don't type "Peter and Dudley" if you meant to type "Pete and Dud"! I mentioned it because, by using their names like that, you show you aren't of those times. That's all. It doesn't make your opinions invalid.
Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 2, 2004, 10:17pm at here
The White Album design signifies the change in the Beatles as individuals and shows them moving away from the Haight-Ashbury scene of San Francisco which devoured most of society world-wide. The Design is pop art in all of its simplicity. Simplicity was key. Taking into account the full White-Album Package included four high-quality individual photographs (each expressing the opinions of each Beatle through image alone) and a huge and impressive collage of photographs showing the Beatles throughout the years. Never has anything been so pure, clean and different.
Paul may not have thought of the original design, but he helped create the collage, gave vital input, and looked over the whole project.
John may have wrote the books, and great, he always had a flare for art and literature, But this is not underground. If anything, its mainstream, but it a great way.
"And by the way, you don't say "Peter and Dudley" but "Pete and Dud" or use their full names"
Commenting on my typing error, does nothing for your arguement but highlights the childish streak of your response.
yes, Martin did help Mccartney, But here is the difference. With Mccartney, his Musical Ability soared past Lennons, and so he found things alot more natural.
Mccartney Arguement
- Created Peppers as we know it. Realised the change and went straight into action, materialising the definative Album Design of the 20th Century in the process.
- Mixed with the crowd of Boundary-pushing artists Including John Dunbar, Robert Fraser Barry Miles Etc. It is no coincidence my name is Indica - The Indica Book Shop and Gallery, owned by Miles etc in which they used to hang out, talk about jazz, Blues and other muscial roots as well as philosophies in many different shapes and forms. Through Paul, Lennon visited the Indica, and picked up the Tibetan Book of the dead.
- Maxwells Sliver Hammer may be joked as being a sloppy child song by Paul, but peel away the layers and your left with an interesting structure for pursuing personal beliefs. Pataphysical Society* was slipped into Maxwells lyrics, to darken the mood and give the song a twist of irony in its musical 'aims'.
- Tape Loops, Sound changing, exploring the 'avenues' of music were all shared through the Avante Garde scene of London around early 65 through to 66. Mccartney again, with the hindsight of his past experience through the bustling London scene, used it for his own devices on Revolver. The Most commercial* showing for Hilarity sake being on Yellow-Submarine.
- Magical Mystery Tour. Althought this art film never really came to much, the basic concept* was again to make a crazy surreal film that would feature the Beatles but in a different light. Note on the Anthology, Paul stayed behind each night, talked to the Camera men, Directed when he could..and basically handled the tour from start to finish.
* Concept is what we are mainly discussing, as the sixites was one huge sifting concept that seen society change.
You really believe all this, huh?
I'll just comment on one part in detail (resisting the temptation to say anything about your claims re the White Album design, Paul's role in filming MMT, tape loops in Yellow Sub, etc etc). It's pataphysics. If you think the mere mention of "pataphysical" darkens the mood of Maxwell, and gives "the song a twist of irony in its musical 'aims'", then your thought processes are SO different from mine, that we couldn't possibly discuss anything meaningfully. I thought he was just looking for a rhyme to "quizzical", and one that scans to boot.
So we cease our discussion, Indie, and I walk away a humbled woman, marvelling at the things I cannot understand!
Worst: there are actually quite a few songs on the white album that I don't like, therefore it can never be one of my favorite albums even though there certainly are a lot of great songs on it as well. I agree with George Martin that it should've been a single album. I don't like Don't pass me by, Why don't we do it in the road, Julia, Birthday and Yer blues, but I dislike Wild honey pie the most. That's probably the worst song in the entire Beatles catalogue. I used to dislike Revolution 9 too, but now I find it quite fascinating and eerie.
Yer Blues? its one of the best songs on there! A Live performance which shows the musical advancements of the Band, great Raw Lyrics by John, a thumping bass line, striking drums and gritty guitar...classic.
Birthday, has a great 12 bar Blues thing going down, and a perfect album filler.
Why Dont we Do it in the Road..Another Fvaourite...Mccartneys Voice, bloody fantastic!
Dont Pass me By..I agree...aswell as Wild Honey Pie. I like the White Album for its diverse selection, and the little songs whihc keep you entertained until the big-guns.
I agree with George Martin that it should've been a single album.
I sure don't! This is one time where Paul nailed it right. What makes it so unique in the Beatles' catalogue is that there are so many different things on it, and it's not a conventional album! As Paul said (minus a few words I can't recall): "It's great, It sold. It's the bloody Beatles White Album, shut up!"
Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted August 3, 2004, 10:03pm at here
Yer Blues? its one of the best songs on there! A Live performance which shows the musical advancements of the Band, great Raw Lyrics by John, a thumping bass line, striking drums and gritty guitar...classic.
Birthday, has a great 12 bar Blues thing going down, and a perfect album filler.
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