I'm not a guy who should be getting into a technical discussion of music, but I think you can hear what Ringo contributed to The Beatles even as early as 1962: just play his version of "Love Me Do" after Andy White's: White's version is technically better, but Ringo's sound is bigger and has more 'roll' to it, for lack of a better word.
I'll join you in the non-technical area. I'd say the early Ringo has swing. Unlike Charlie Watts, who was a jazz drummer - and not a very good one - I think Ringo could have swung (!!) that way.
I'll join you in the non-technical area. I'd say the early Ringo has swing. Unlike Charlie Watts, who was a jazz drummer - and not a very good one - I think Ringo could have swung (!!) that way.
I might say that Ringo was an amazing drummer because:
1) He was the best in Liverpool and Hamburg, which was the beginning of pop music as we know it. 2) He developed the sound of the Beatles as surely as John's rhythm guitar, George's Rockabilly guitar, and John's rhythm guitar did. 3) An entire UNIVERSE of drumming was based on what he did.
Hey, I guess I will say it!
I love John, I love Paul, And George and Ringo, I love them all!
How much of Ringo's drumming came out of his creativity and how much came from the other guys do you think? I only ask because every so often I read about how Paul or the others came up with an idea for the drum parts and then got Ringo to do it. How much did Ringo contribute on his own? Do we know? I mean, in ideas, not the actual execution which of course he did very well.
How much of Ringo's drumming came out of his creativity and how much came from the other guys do you think? I only ask because every so often I read about how Paul or the others came up with an idea for the drum parts and then got Ringo to do it. How much did Ringo contribute on his own? Do we know? I mean, in ideas, not the actual execution which of course he did very well.
This is a good question and I dont think anybody has the answer to it.
I'm gonna guess that Ringo probably came up with the majority of the stuff himself. Paul, George Martin, and John probably told him if they didnt dig what he was doing and we do know that Paul at least told him what patterns he wanted on a few occasions (Ticket To Ride). But seriously, who knows.
This is a good question and I dont think anybody has the answer to it.
I'm gonna guess that Ringo probably came up with the majority of the stuff himself. Paul, George Martin, and John probably told him if they didnt dig what he was doing and we do know that Paul at least told him what patterns he wanted on a few occasions (Ticket To Ride). But seriously, who knows.
I imagine that that's probably not unusual. Unless the drummer was involved in the writing of the song.
How much of Ringo's drumming came out of his creativity and how much came from the other guys do you think? I only ask because every so often I read about how Paul or the others came up with an idea for the drum parts and then got Ringo to do it.
This is a banal answer, but I imagine it varied from song to song. He probably did receive more direction from Paul, particularly as the sixties wore on and Paul became much more definite about how he wanted his records to sound. There were probably varying degrees of give-and-take during rehearsals and recording sessions, too. Some songs were probably fairly quickly arranged and dispatched, others less so. Listening to the session tapes would surely help here.
Which leads to another point: for all the thousands of hours of interviews done with The Beatles, there's not all that much on the music itself. John talked about it in the 1980 Playboy interview, and Paul did the same in Many Years From Now, but offhand I don't recall much else. Maybe George did, too, in I, Me, Mine but I haven't seen that.
This is a good question and I dont think anybody has the answer to it.
I'm gonna guess that Ringo probably came up with the majority of the stuff himself. Paul, George Martin, and John probably told him if they didnt dig what he was doing and we do know that Paul at least told him what patterns he wanted on a few occasions (Ticket To Ride). But seriously, who knows.
It seems like from what we've seen/heard of their sessions that he is usually quietly waiting. He never seems actively involved in what's going on really. But then we've only been privy to very little of their actual creative process. Or am I seeing this wrong?
It seems like from what we've seen/heard of their sessions that he is usually quietly waiting. He never seems actively involved in what's going on really. But then we've only been privy to very little of their actual creative process. Or am I seeing this wrong?
Thats what i'm saying also. We never see the actual creative process. We have heard or maybe seen some footage of the studio sessions where the song already has a base, but the actual start from point 'A' is nonexistent so its hard to say.
Thats what i'm saying also. We never see the actual creative process. We have heard or maybe seen some footage of the studio sessions where the song already has a base, but the actual start from point 'A' is nonexistent so its hard to say.
One of the Day By Day discs documents the day when Paul was 'teaching' the rest 'Let It Be' Interesting stuff, I'll see if I can easily locate the right one (among 76 CD's).
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