A Keith drummer? As in the wild style? Cool!! Is it hard to play a Who song? I mean are people able to copy Keith? I have no idea about these things. Is Ringo hard to copy? Or should I say play not copy. Keith is so dramatic when he plays. Throwing the drumsicks, twirling them, screaming while he plays, breaking things. He made people want to look at the drummer! Which I think is rare. But then like you said, Ringo made people want to BE a drummer!

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted July 11, 2004, 6:20am at here

A Keith drummer? As in the wild style? Cool!! Is it hard to play a Who song?


***YES!  Damn near impossible!  LOL 

I mean are people able to copy Keith?


****I don't know about others but I played all over the place LIKE him but except for some riffs and a specific fill here or there I could never copy exactly what he was doing for a whole song.  His licks were too unpredictable, even after hearing them a million times (for the most part). 

****Plus the man had to have inexhaustible energy to play that constant style.  I'm FAR too lazy!

I have no idea about these things. Is Ringo hard to copy? Or should I say play not copy.

***Not usually.  Again, different styles, Ringo's more structured and easier to emulate.

Keith is so dramatic when he plays. Throwing the drumsicks, twirling them, screaming while he plays, breaking things. He made people want to look at the drummer! Which I think is rare. But then like you said, Ringo made people want to BE a drummer!

***Yeah, the theatrics were never part of my style, just the drumming.  But they were simply both great for different reasons.

Quoted from misterchaz, posted July 10, 2004, 4:51pm at here

He was *never* a lesser member than anyone else.  It was a four poster bed and he held up his end as much as anyone else.

You even think he kept his end up as much as lennon/mCcartney?

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Is it hard to play a Who song?

***YES!  Damn near impossible!  LOL 

So how well does Zak do?

I have heard MANY Beatle tribute bands, including The Bootleg Beatles on numerous occasions, and I have NEVER heard a drummer faithfully copy Ringo's playing. Most drummers struggle with the intro to She Loves You and the breaks in Ticket To Ride - listen closely, their timing is WAY off.

Ringo might not have been a flashy, flambouyant drummer, but he was extremely solid, and REALLY hit those drums hard. Just check out any live footage of Ringo - and I don't mean TV shows as most of these were mimed and Ringo wasn't allowed to actually hit his drums or cymbals! Watch the Washington concert or the Sweden show; especially Long Tall Sally - watch the other guy's faces as he really goes to town on his kit!

What really annoys me is that no-one ever seems to knock Charlie Watts of the Rolling Stones. Listen to their early numbers such as I'm Free; his timing was absolutely apalling!

Ringo is not the kind of person who feels he has to justify what he brought to the Beatles' sound - HE knows how good he was, and so do other drummers.

Tracks to listen to:

I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry (Over You) - From the Beatles at the BBC
Wait - Rubber Soul
What You're Doing - Beatles For Sale
Helter Skelter - White Album
Sgt Pepper (reprise) - Sgt Pepper

To name just a few!!!!!

[quote by=The_End link=Blah.pl?b=starr,m=1089433720,s=19 date=1089589364]I have heard MANY Beatle tribute bands, including The Bootleg Beatles on numerous occasions, and I have NEVER heard a drummer faithfully copy Ringo's playing. Most drummers struggle with the intro to She Loves You and the breaks in Ticket To Ride - listen closely, their timing is WAY off.


BAng on about those two tracks in particular. Always the highbrow test on any Beatle cover attempt.

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle, posted July 11, 2004, 11:55pm at here

BAng on about those two tracks in particular. Always the highbrow test on any Beatle cover attempt.

Thank you - I thought it was just ME who noticed!! LOL

Quoted from number14, posted July 11, 2004, 8:34pm at here

You even think he kept his end up as much as lennon/mCcartney?

Absolutely.  You are mistaking the concept of what each person did with what they were worth to the group.  

Try having a song like A Day In The Life be as effective, moving (or even realized at all) without Ringo's drum.

Or the 2-3 second burst of George's lead in Got To Get You Into My Life.

Seemingly small bits yet their catalog is full of them and it would be that much the poorer with out them.

They would have been SOMEone, but never the BEATLES with -any- of the 4 missing.

Quoted from The_End, posted July 12, 2004, 12:21am at here

Thank you - I thought it was just ME who noticed!! LOL

You're right, of course.  And he DOES smash them puppies!

Another is From Me To You.

A big part of his sound was his backwards tom fills, and for a regular drummer that is very unnatural to replicate smoothly. 

Otherwise his general song structure is supportive, not non-stop fill like Keith...which was just what Who needed.

And I have always maintained Watts was an over-praised drummer...maybe he was great in the early 60's doing trad jazz but he has very very few identifiable licks.  He keeps a rock hard beat.  Beautifully.  But that's about it, not flashy at all.

Quoted from Maccalvr, posted July 11, 2004, 9:31pm at here

So how well does Zak do?

Very well!

Zak moonlights for oasis too aswell as The Who. Saw them at the Isle of Wight festival this year and Zak did not disappoint.

I think Noel Gallagher is 'made up' that  the blood of Beatle is in his 'Beatles' tribute group. lol. 

Apologies to hardcore Oasis fans but some of those tunes are'nt even subtley lifted from the true great well of Beatle songwriting. I would'nt have minded Oasis paying respects to their heroes in this way except for Liam Gallagher beginning to think he was big enough to slate Macca!! He earnt an enemy outta me that's for sure!

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle, posted July 12, 2004, 10:12am at here

some of those tunes are'nt even subtley lifted from the true great well of Beatle songwriting.

And some not so subtle!

It's funny because I read recently that Liam Gallagher was begging to get backstage at Glastonbury to see Paul McCartney - eventually Paul's 'people' let him through!

Quoted from The_End, posted July 12, 2004, 12:06pm at here

And some not so subtle!

It's funny because I read recently that Liam Gallagher was begging to get backstage at Glastonbury to see Paul McCartney - eventually Paul's 'people' let him through!

Your right I'd heard that too. Does anyone else remember the incident at a London airport a couple of years ago where Liam apparantly threw a copy of Macca's biography? At who or what I don't know.

Amazing drummer, no doubt about it!

Amazing!

A few innovative tunes-
Ticket To Ride - Who would have thought up a beat like that for a song?
I Feel Fine - Dare you to get the trills correctly on the toms throughout the entire song.
What Goes On - I've always hated and struggled with this shuffle. Damn that swishing motion on the hats.
A Day In The Life - Fills are incredible
Paperback Writer - Anyone finish a quick roll off on the rims lately? On purpose?
Get Back - The beginning beat to this song coming off the cymbals to the toms is legendary and still wows the drumming community for its uniqueness.