Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted July 17, 2004, 1:28am at here
No, there was no restraining order. And the girl was very attractive, not some sort of freakizoid or anything. She wasn't hurting him. Anyway, regardless of how Paul's words read here on the computer, he YELLED in a nasty tone and threw the gift out of the window. Nothing nice about it, trust me. A real shocker.
Again, pure supposition on my part, but if this has ANYthing to do with the cancer diagnosis being in that time frame, and perhaps Linda (as well as Paul) being devastated, and them trying to book off to be alone somewhere (where traversing public streets is a necessity)...well, it seems that IF all the above was true I would not have a problem with Paul's reaction.
Last year I lost my wife to breast cancer. She was 47 and had it for ten years.
I remember the anguish and confusion and anger in being faced with dealing with it, especially at a young age (she was 36 initially). And it would have been impossible for me to function as the usual Paul PR person in that time. Needing to collect one's thoughts, as it were.
Again, a HUGE supposition on my part. Maybe Paul, like all of us, can be a petulant a**hole. In fact, I'm betting on it. But sometimes...
That and the fact that his wife was dying at the time probably didn't put him in the greatest mood. But yeah, how rude of him not to stop and sign another bunch of autographs!
First of all, I have no idea that Linda had the diagnosis yet; that's just a guess on my part, after the fact. I don't know. Amazing that Linda herself was very cordial and friendly though, isn't it? She was gracious and said "hello" while Paul went into his tantrum, incidentally...
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Also, I don't think a persons age has anything to do with getting how important the Beatles are.
Well, I do. You weren't there while they were actually "doing it". So you don't have the same emotional connection.
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Some people just don't go in for the whole idol worship thing.
I don't "worship" anyone.
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I think seeing him in concert is much more exciting than seeing him get into a car or sgn a bit of paper. Now if he sings to you while signing it......
Yeah, I know. I saw him at the UP CLOSE show at the Ed Sullivan theatre. I was standing only a few feet from him to his right, in addition to hearing him sing. A real high, let me tell you. And how did I do this? By "wasting my time" on the telephone for a weekend, trying to call the radio to win these special tickets. Was it worth my time? You're damn right. It's an experience I'll never forget, but I don't even think about the time I gave up to win the tickets these days. You don't remember how you got there; you remember the special results.The end more than justified the means.
I'm sorry you don't feel any sense of "magic" or the thrill of getting an autograph, especially from a Beatle! It's something I've never understood. I'm not saying people should endlessly stalk a celebrity or annoy them... But how you couldn't get even a little "buzz" from meeting someone famous whom you've admired your entire life, and who has become such a legend inhis craft... I just don't understand. If I have to go explain to you the greatness of getting a Beatles' signature, you're no longer worth my time...
Again, pure supposition on my part, but if this has ANYthing to do with the cancer diagnosis being in that time frame, and perhaps Linda (as well as Paul) being devastated, and them trying to book off to be alone somewhere (where traversing public streets is a necessity)...well, it seems that IF all the above was true I would not have a problem with Paul's reaction.
Last year I lost my wife to breast cancer. She was 47 and had it for ten years.
I remember the anguish and confusion and anger in being faced with dealing with it, especially at a young age (she was 36 initially). And it would have been impossible for me to function as the usual Paul PR person in that time. Needing to collect one's thoughts, as it were.
Again, a HUGE supposition on my part. Maybe Paul, like all of us, can be a petulant a**hole. In fact, I'm betting on it. But sometimes...
I'm so sorry to hear about your wife. I had no idea and I'm sorry if I stirred up something in you; I didn't mean to do that. And believe me, I'm not telling you this as someone with no potential for being able to relate... My own wife is 36 right now (we just celebrated our ten year anniversary), and I don't know what I would do if I were faced with such a blow. It's actually one of the big fears of my life. My sincere condolensces....
But I appreciate the fact that you're being more open-minded than some others about this situation with Paul. Again, I have no idea whatsoever if Linda had her diagnosis at that time or not; it was only well after the fact that I reflected and thought, "I wonder if THAT'S why Paul was so angry that day?" Perhaps I was trying to look for some sort of justification in my mind as well.
As I told the other guy, and which was a detail I left out, if Linda was indeed ill at that time, she sure was very kind and gracious before Paul was screaming. She actually smiled and said "hello" as the limo pulled in front of us, before Paul went off. Linda was on our side in the car; Paul was on the far end.
Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted July 17, 2004, 10:13am at here
I'm so sorry to hear about your wife.
***Thanks.
I had no idea and I'm sorry if I stirred up something in you; I didn't mean to do that.
***Please, no apologies. You didn't. I was just using it as a point, I don't know if I've ever even mentioned it here before (I think I might have, long ago). Anyway, there's no way you could know. I appreciate the sentiments tho, thanks.
And believe me, I'm not telling you this as someone with no potential for being able to relate... My own wife is 36 right now (we just celebrated our ten year anniversary), and I don't know what I would do if I were faced with such a blow. It's actually one of the big fears of my life. My sincere condolensces....
***Again, thanks. And yes, until it hits you don't think about it much (why would you?) and I'm sure you and your wife wil live together for many long, happy years.
But I appreciate the fact that you're being more open-minded than some others about this situation with Paul. Again, I have no idea whatsoever if Linda had her diagnosis at that time or not; it was only well after the fact that I reflected and thought, "I wonder if THAT'S why Paul was so angry that day?" Perhaps I was trying to look for some sort of justification in my mind as well.
***Yes. I have no knowledge of the time frame of this, I only remember someone commenting on the possibility of a recent diagnosis and threw it out there. Like I said, maybe on occasion, in public, the guy can be a prick.
As I told the other guy, and which was a detail I left out, if Linda was indeed ill at that time, she sure was very kind and gracious before Paul was screaming. She actually smiled and said "hello" as the limo pulled in front of us, before Paul went off. Linda was on our side in the car; Paul was on the far end.
***She might have been embarassed for him. Especially as the world knows what a huge 'gotta love me' type person Paul is, one who is so locked into a lifelong PR campaign that he simply cannot pass up an opportunity to glad hand someone. Maybe to her it was a barometer of just how upset HE was and she decided to calm him by being clam herself.
Like I say, ALL pure imagining on my part, so it may all be just pissing in the wind.
Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted July 17, 2004, 1:26am at here
Maybe being 25 (I just checked your profile) you don't have the same sense of importance and relevance as I do regarding the Beatles, and that would make a difference, I think.
I don't agree. I'm very well aware of the fact that Paul McCartney is the greatest living musical legend at the moment (since Elvis and John Lennon are both dead) and that pretty much every single person in the civilized world knows him... I do look up to him and idolize him to a certain level, but that doesn't mean I would lower myself (again, no offense) by almost begging him to give me some attention. I just feel too good for that.
And I don't think that has anything to do with age, I used to be a very fanatic autograph collector as a kid, I had hundreds of autographs, but I completely grew over that.
I'm very well aware of the fact that Paul McCartney is the greatest living musical legend at the moment (since Elvis and John Lennon are both dead) and that pretty much every single person in the civilized world knows him...
I'm not talking about "being aware of it," I'm talking about living it over the decades, having grown up with The Beatles and their music while they were doing it.
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I do look up to him and idolize him to a certain level, but that doesn't mean I would lower myself (again, no offense) by almost begging him to give me some attention. I just feel too good for that.
Good for you. But as far as I'm concerned, it's not "lowering" one's self, but that's your problem if you derive no excitement over it (no offense). In my mind, I'm not "lowering myself" in the least, and that's what matters to me.
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And I don't think that has anything to do with age, I used to be a very fanatic autograph collector as a kid, I had hundreds of autographs, but I completely grew over that.
I'm sorry to hear that. Glad I haven't. (no offense)
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Quoted from misterchaz, posted July 17, 2004, 4:35am at here
Again, pure supposition on my part, but if this has ANYthing to do with the cancer diagnosis being in that time frame, and perhaps Linda (as well as Paul) being devastated, and them trying to book off to be alone somewhere (where traversing public streets is a necessity)...well, it seems that IF all the above was true I would not have a problem with Paul's reaction.
Last year I lost my wife to breast cancer. She was 47 and had it for ten years.
I remember the anguish and confusion and anger in being faced with dealing with it, especially at a young age (she was 36 initially). And it would have been impossible for me to function as the usual Paul PR person in that time. Needing to collect one's thoughts, as it were.
Again, a HUGE supposition on my part. Maybe Paul, like all of us, can be a petulant a**hole. In fact, I'm betting on it. But sometimes...
Sorry to hear about your wife MC, your spot-on right though. I lost my mother unexpectedly and when dealing with that kind of loss, it is'nt a surprise that he may have had a moment. He is just a bloke aswell. Albeit an awesome one.
when dealing with that kind of loss, it is'nt a surprise that he may have had a moment.
I think I should clarify again that I have no idea whether or not Linda even had her diagnosis yet. All I can tell you is, she was in a good mood and was gracious and cheerful, while Paul was the party pooper.
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I'm hearing you. We'll never know for sure eh? He could have just felt real protective of her. It still does'nt warrant the behaviour though. Just a simple explanation from him may have helped. Oh well. No use crying over spilt milk...etc. etc.
Joe, I really think that it is cool that you have such a big passion for something and I certainly don't want to judge you (hell, most people don't understand most of the things I enjoy doing in my spare time), and I certainly don't feel 'better' than you when I say that I feel to good for something that you enjoy doing (I realize now it may have looked like that was what I was saying... Sorry).
Thats awesome that you took that much time to even see paul mccartney. i cant blame paul especially the second time you saw him, his wife has cancer and fans were still following him espicially one that has following him for 2o years, ive never seen any of the beatles, You are realy lucky.
Yes, Yoko still lives at the Dakota. I met her there twice in 1994 and she was very, very gracious and sweet. Smiled and posed for photos, signed autographs... Amazing, really, when you consider what happened to John - right at that very location.
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Joe, I dont know what you mean when you say that younger fans dont understand the emotional connection that fans like yourself have. Younger fans like myself love the Beatles too so dont hate on us.
PS Awesome stories Even if some didnt turn out so great, you still got to see him and thats something right there. That concert sounds amazing. I envy you greatly
The argument of first-gen's vs. the kids who came after has been a raging Beatle argument for decades, with no real resolution.
I *think* all that Joe is saying (and feel free to correct me if wrong) is that we went through their growth in real time, and so it gave us a *different* perspective than people who came to them later. It was watching and being a part of that development, not only with the Beatles but the exploding music scene all aorund us at that time, and how they all meshed together.
To me if I wanted to get into Glenn Miller music I wouldn't know what came first nor would I care, I'd have the whole canon to pick and choose what I like. But the grandparents who were there went thru this same sort of development (tho Miller never changed his sound as radically as the Fabs) and could identify certain aspects just from remembering having been there.
So if the first thing a person here's nowadays is Hey Jude, then maybe Come Together, then maybe Twist & Shout...there is no real continuity to that (not that a fan needs it, it's just another way of knowing and listening).
That's really the only difference. I know kids (my daughter for one) who could tell you Paul's birthday, for one, but I sure couldn't. She's more knowledgable about a lot of Beatle things. She's 21, a fan since she was 4.
Me? I was living thru it, but somehow I developed that short-term memory thingie.....
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Even if some didnt turn out so great, you still got to see him and thats something right there. That concert sounds amazing. I envy you greatly
