Well, I think that in fact, yes, you are the only one who thins so. It's my favourite JOHN's soo album, I love it, I love every single song on it: Mother, isolation, Hold on... How can you say that? How can you say it's empty? It's quite the contrary to me. It's percisely when JOHN was more open, after having been with Janov and cried like a little child. This is his primal therapy album and I love it.
Not just you guys; I even read reviews from a guy that has hundreds of old albums (Rolling Stones, The Who, Yes, Beatles, Lennon, etc.), and he did mention the lack of instrumentation, but I tried listening to many selections, including God. None of them were very pleasing to the ear. These selections seem fit for making in a speech rather than singing. When you listen to an album, yes, you ARE expecting some good songs. But these don't fit me as much as songs as they do as RANTS, which is the only thing I see them as.
And believe me, for someone who has studied The Beatles for a while and knows more than some adults know (just not many in here on the count of many people who come to Beatles forums are true Beatle Fans), I was underwhelmed and unimpressed, and then got off to hating the album.
Have you heard the whole thing? Or just some tracks? As I said, "Remember" is a pretty accesible track, and as mentioned earlier, not everything on the album is dark......it's basically John confronting everything that surrounds his life.
"Only people know just how to talk to people. Only people know just how to change the world."
Who cares if he doesn't like it anyway? Frightwolf has stated over (and over) what he thinks, so I don't really see a point in trying to argue with someone who has his opinion pretty set. I mean, I don't blame you guys or think its crazy not to want to defend this masterpiece, but eventually it just looks like we're the ones trying so hard...to prove what? The album is a landmark in history and one of the most personal and compelling listens I have ever been subjected to. I could care less if no one else but me liked it. As is, it is probably my favorite album ever. That is just how it has changed my life.
When you listen to an album, yes, you ARE expecting some good songs. But these don't fit me as much as songs as they do as RANTS, which is the only thing I see them as.
Sorry, but this is just ridiculous. What about 'Look at Me,' or 'Hold On John' or "Love' (to name only three)? You call these "rants"?
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And believe me, for someone who has studied The Beatles for a while and knows more than some adults know
Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted July 22, 2004, 9:08pm at here
This is what I'm talking about, Joe. You show that adults are just as ignorant as some of the kids, and it's a shame too. You read one line of that and didn't even finish, so excuse me for being profane, but please shut the f' up. And no one telling me to calm myself will stop me from saying that again. They're rants, and that's what I think of them. God is a mediocre song IMO. So, all I can say is:
And since I think you're an impatient prick (once again, tell me to calm myself and I'll call you that again), here's what I said:
"And believe me, for someone who has studied The Beatles for a while and knows more than some adults know (just not many in here on the count of many people who come to Beatles forums are true Beatle Fans), I was underwhelmed and unimpressed, and then got off to hating the album."
So before you flaunt your "superior age" to me, read that first and then shut your mouth. I said SOME adults, not all, if you know English. And I said the people that come to Beatles forums, like THIS one, meaning I'm not claiming ANY superiority to anyone here. I do, however, know enough about the Beatles to judge this album in comparison to many other of Lennon's works.
First of all, I DID read "your entire response," and I took the time to soak it in first. Just because I only chose to highlight only the opening line does not mean otherwise.
I'm not going to stoop to your level and call you a "prick", 'Frightwolf' --- and while I'm not going to "flaunt my superior age," I will say I'm damn proud of being born in 1962 and I thank God I'm not any younger in 2004 than I am now (in fact, I wouldn't even mind being 10 years older today -- means I've had even more better and classic times under my belt! ).
I love how you ignore everything people try to suggest to you about this album -- personal experiences and how it touched them; the primal Scream Therapy John went through to create it; the fact that I pretty much flattened your theory of the songs being "rants" when you chose to ignore the songs i mentioned to counteract that funny claim (Look At Me, Hold On John, Love). You just gloss right over every point peope try to make, and don't even ATTEMPT to think about it. You're mind's made up, and that's that.
And as such -- I have to disagree with you. I don't think you know as much about John or his work as you imagine you do if you can't appreciate one of his greatest accomplishments .
It can touch people in all the ways in the world, but that doesn't mean it'll be pleasing to the ear. Whatever happened to listening to music (like classical music) and just wanting to hear something NICE?
Elsa's Procession to the Cathedral, for example. It can be about love all it wants, but if it's bland with no dynamic contrast or power or intonation, it'll sound like garbage. It, however, is a spectacular piece of music of epic proportions and DOES get the idealistic love message across.
JLPOB just doesn't do that good of a job at what it does, not to mention that the God song doesn't surprise me. It seems like a normal pessimistic tune that he would write, stating the obvious to boot, and something that I could not listen to in the car or at home.
I, of course, will continue to listen to some of these tunes again just to find out what the hell are you talking about, but as it stands, the album is garbage.
How about addressing some key points that some of us have made? Start being "adult" and opening your mind. Look at the things we've suggested, see it in the proper light. If you still don't "get it," at least you've tried with some understanding.
Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted July 22, 2004, 11:31pm at here
Yeah, 444 ------
How about addressing some key points that some of us have made? Start being "adult" and opening your mind. Look at the things we've suggested, see it in the proper light. If you still don't "get it," at least you've tried with some understanding.
I put 444 because I was thinking of how to phrase it, and then pressed Send by mistake
And YES, I do type random buttons when I'm thinking, especially via IM.
You also shouldn't be talking about being more "adult" when you behaved more impatient than a child in this thread: "Hey, I read three of the words in Frightwolf's post, so now I'll just make a face! I AM CLEVER!!!1111"
It can touch people in all the ways in the world, but that doesn't mean it'll be pleasing to the ear. Whatever happened to listening to music (like classical music) and just wanting to hear something NICE?
Maybe then you HAVEN'T heard the three songs I've mentioned? They're "nice" enough. But the whole point of POB is that John wanted to discover himself and completely shatter the "nicey-nice beatles image" anyway. It's not really supposed to be that nice. I'd suggest you read his 1970 ROLLING STONE interview (available in a book as LENNON REMEMBERS) and hear John talk about the album (he thought it was the best thing he'd ever done).
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JLPOB just doesn't do that good of a job at what it does, not to mention that the God song doesn't surprise me. It seems like a normal pessimistic tune that he would write, stating the obvious to boot, and something that I could not listen to in the car or at home.
Naturally you're entitled to your opinion, but GOD is still pretty universally hailed as one of John's finest works. I don't think it's very "obvious" when John says he "doesn't believe in Beatles". That was a hell of a shock - especially then.
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I, of course, will continue to listen to some of these tunes again just to find out what the hell are you talking about, but as it stands, the album is garbage.
The word "Garbage" is what spawned a lot of my attitude, you might like to know. Whether you like the record or not, that word isn't even a possibility.
You also shouldn't be talking about being more "adult" when you behaved more impatient than a child in this thread: "Hey, I read three of the words in Frightwolf's post, so now I'll just make a face! I AM CLEVER!!!
I made the face because I think your view of this album is hilariously off.
Also, I think YOU failed to read all of MY post previously where I just explained how I DID, in fact, read all of your writing before I laughed. It's just that I chose to highlight the one line when I responded.
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