Oboy -- you and I are gonna have some rough sailing, I fear
Charlie -- what are you talking about? Don't you judge Bush? Didn't you judge Michael Savage? Don't you have feelings pro/con regarding any score of people? Maybe you don't like the use of the word "judge"... but we all do this - yourself included. We form opinions of people based on what we see.
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Maybe you did but that's kind of vague. I have neither seen that nor heard it before.
Not "maybe" I saw this -- definitely. You missed that one? Oh well, can't catch 'em all. But you've seen enough to say she doesn't come off well.
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OK, I respectfully submit these are simple impressions you are taking away from this. Anyone else would be getting any number of different impressions.
Yet it's AMAZING all the negative impressions people are "allowed" to get about Yoko! Yes, Charlie -- these are my impressions. That's "Impressions".
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And Yoko has always been far more upfront than Cynthia.
Agreed. And much worthier of John's soul, apparently. John liked that about her -- Cynthia may have been more physically acceptable and quiet for the fans, but she always had the personality and challenge of a tree stump. John needed someone much deeper. Thankfully for him, he found her.
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Yoko was sweet to me also. Never met Linda and unless I am wrong here neither of us have met Heather, correct?
Correct...
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And frankly I met Yoko as a reporter while she was doing her PR job. Tho I felt a slight kinship more than that, I don't believe I really know Yoko either.
Nor do I. But when I met her, it was just at the front of the Dakota, on two occasions.. not promoting a thing. She was very smiley, soft-spoken and polite. Very graciously posed for pictures and signed autographs.
Now, Cynthia, since you brought her up earlier --- I saw her at a New York Beatlefest in 1981. She was not one of the guests announced, yet she showed up by surprise to peddle some paintings. I remember her sitting at her table and she refused to sign ANYTHING unless you bought something from her. And those paintings were very steep.
While I'm on the subject, May Pang was there that same day, and she signed a Lennon album I had with me.
One thing you should know is that I am aware that one cannot judge a person completely based on a good day or a bad day -- I just know that Yoko, Linda, and May Pang were nice to me. Paul, Ringo and Cynthia were not.
Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted August 3, 2004, 8:22pm at here
Oboy -- you and I are gonna have some rough sailing, I fear
***Nah.
Charlie -- what are you talking about? Don't you judge Bush? Didn't you judge Michael Savage? Don't you have feelings pro/con regarding any score of people? Maybe you don't like the use of the word "judge"... but we all do this - yourself included. We form opinions of people based on what we see.
***Touche, to a point. Bush is being judged by YEARS of his actions and inactions. Savage, I confess, is a knee jerk reaction as having heard him and his ilk and not caring for him.
***To judge Heather on less than a handful of appearances? I submit that is still silly....and I might add when I asked who can judge I DID leave a smiley there. Y'know. More or less joking?
Not "maybe" I saw this -- definitely. You missed that one? Oh well, can't catch 'em all. But you've seen enough to say she doesn't come off well.
***I said the first interview I saw with her (maybe it was the first two) I got the same unfavorable impression. The next few I saw after that she was fine, friendly and warm. So which one do I believe? Was it her performance or my impressions?
Yet it's AMAZING all the negative impressions people are "allowed" to get about Yoko! Yes, Charlie -- these are my impressions. That's "Impressions".
***Yoko has been critical mass for decades on insults and shady thoughts. Nothing she can do about it now save produce another Christ-child. HEATHER, on the other hand (who is the subject still, right?) is fresh meat!
Agreed. And much worthier of John's soul, apparently. John liked that about her -- Cynthia may have been more physically acceptable and quiet for the fans, but she always had the personality and challenge of a tree stump. John needed someone much deeper. Thankfully for him, he found her.
***The operative word here is 'apparently'.
One thing you should know is that I am aware that one cannot judge a person completely based on a good day or a bad day -- I just know that Yoko, Linda, and May Pang were nice to me. Paul, Ringo and Cynthia were not.
--- ***So then basically anyone who meets you in a brief monet of time and does not measure up is forever rotten? I admit, I would feel put out by celebs had some of these events occured, and it would take a lot to convince me they were actually ok I suppose. Human nature and all.
That still doesn't mean you're right...or being fair.
My initial impression about you stands as well: a big Yoko and John fan, an anti-Paulite. Hey, world's full of them, no prob. And tho I made a judgement it was on weeks of your writings, all which betray the same sort of prejudices (re: J & Y & P).
I honestly don't care: as a fan of the Beatles all my life I love the four of them dearly. All have offended and delighted me at one time or another, kind of like my own friends I guess (and as I have treated others myself).
I have a hard time understanding those who come down so hard against one or the other, but then that's just me. I'm not terribly bright in a lot of other ways.
Oboy -- you and I are gonna have some rough sailing, I fear
***Nah.
It's a relief to hear you say that! Glad to hear it
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***Touche, to a point. Bush is being judged by YEARS of his actions and inactions.
But we can debate each other like this forever. So do you have to know someone YEARS to judge him? Wasn't MDC's one action on Dec. 8th 1980 enough, for instance? Maybe he's a nice fella the other millions of days of his life before and after that (of course I'm being sarcastic, but I'm trying to show how far you can take this). Was Wayne okay to be judged, based on his relatively brief tenure here?
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***To judge Heather on less than a handful of appearances? I submit that is still silly....
I don't like her, based on what I've seen so far. I may be completely offbase and probably am. But people do the same to me every day - we all do. You can't know each individual on the planet intimately for decades before forming an impression.
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***Yoko has been critical mass for decades on insults and shady thoughts. Nothing she can do about it now
So that makes it okay? Or a correct blueprinti? I've met a lot of celebs in NYC over my life, and Yoko was one of the nicest and nothing like her "reputation" suggests.
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HEATHER, on the other hand (who is the subject still, right?) is fresh meat!
Yeah, but Yoko was despised when she was "fresh meat," too ! The second people visually saw her, their minds were made up! (hey that's not very liberal!)
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Agreed. And much worthier of John's soul, apparently. John liked that about her -- Cynthia may have been more physically acceptable and quiet for the fans, but she always had the personality and challenge of a tree stump. John needed someone much deeper. Thankfully for him, he found her.
***The operative word here is 'apparently'.
No, it isn't. You posted that PLAYBOY quote from John -- do you deny that she was everything he ever wanted/needed? Of COURSE she was more in tune with John than Cyn ever was. Ask him!
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***So then basically anyone who meets you in a brief monet of time and does not measure up is forever rotten? I admit, I would feel put out by celebs had some of these events occured, and it would take a lot to convince me they were actually ok I suppose. Human nature and all.
No, nothing's 100%. I'm only relating my impressions based on my personal experiences. You can tell me so and so is rotten or good -- but I can only go by my own experiences.
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My initial impression about you stands as well: a big Yoko and John fan, an anti-Paulite. Hey, world's full of them, no prob.
I'm not a Big Yoko Fan - I just don't like injustice against her (somehow, seems like we're switiching politics here!)
You'd also be wrong that I'm anti-Paul, although if choosing beyween John and Paul, I'm a John Fan more. I also called paul "the greatest songwriter of the 2oth Century" - over John!
So, you are probably right that surface impressions aren't ALWAYS correct
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I honestly don't care: as a fan of the Beatles all my life I love the four of them dearly. All have offended and delighted me at one time or another, kind of like my own friends I guess .
Same here. You're way off base on this one.
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I have a hard time understanding those who come down so hard against one or the other, but then that's just me.
Quoted from Joe_Karlosi, posted August 3, 2004, 10:45pm at here
There's nowhere left to go with this. If I condemned you to a reputation of being pro-Yoko, I apologize.
I too hate injustice, and nowhere did I say it was right just because Yoko was vilified for 35 years. Just blabbing on.
As I said, we are first and foremost brothers in the Beatles here, and everything else belongs somewhere else in our lives. It's interesting to alert people to where we are generally coming from, but it really doesn't matter here. At least it shouldn't.
Yeah, I've just mainly been making conversation. I have nothing more than time killing invested in this...not to say I don't believe what I say, or that I was just trying to rattle you ('cos I wasn't). But I don't want to be one who finally crosses a line and gets ridiculous over concepts that I cannot possibly affect by yakking about it.
Anyway, as usual, it has been a pleasure debating with you, Joe.
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wow, sorry to butt in but ever since Joe got here Charlie's been a lot more vocal. It's a pleasure to see that people still can debate without getting rude or profane. Keep it up, please!
Quoted from misterchaz, posted August 4, 2004, 3:38am at here
There's nowhere left to go with this. If I condemned you to a reputation of being pro-Yoko, I apologize.
Thats how its coming off to me. All because she nodded and gave a smile. Thats cool and she maybe a fantastic person, but I really dont know her and I doubt anybody else does from just a nod, hello, and smile. Sorry, but that whole sermon is starting to fall on deaf ears.
i was never impressed by any of the beatle women.............cyn,,linda,patti or maureen. i think their second marriages were better picks i like babs,yoko,heather and olivia.
Thats how its coming off to me. All because she nodded and gave a smile. Thats cool and she maybe a fantastic person, but I really dont know her and I doubt anybody else does from just a nod, hello, and smile.
I don't "know" her either, and I never claimed to. I merely said I am going to go by how she treated me. I mean, should I hate her because legend dictates that I'm supposed to? She didn't strike me that way. God knows millions have hated her for the hell of it --- without EVER having seen her - be it a nod, smile, frown, or punch in their face.
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Sorry, but that whole sermon is starting to fall on deaf ears.
Then continue to feel comfortable hating her. I really don't care.
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