No less a judge than John Lennon said of DON'T WORRY KYOKO that it was the "best fucking rock-n-roll record ever made".

That makes Yoko a genius, yes?

Um, have I reasoned that through properly?

Quoted from tkitna, posted August 2, 2004, 7:01am at here

Lets all relax here and read a book with all of the facts-

Oh thats great summer reading there.  It'll cheer you right up, and there's none of those lies like the other book had.  This one clearly isn't sensationalist in the hope of attracting the dollar

Quoted from Herecomesyoursun, posted August 2, 2004, 7:10am at here

Oh thats great summer reading there.  It'll cheer you right up, and there's none of those lies like the other book had.  This one clearly isn't sensationalist in the hope of attracting the dollar

Very good, informative book but there are a few disturbing writings and at the time this book had a bit of a slating for sensationalising. Especially John's possible likes of thai boys and some 'further' relationships with Brian. I still found it very good though. Read with an open mind!

OK, I must be wrong about the book, maybe if you had offered those facts instead of the comments to start with it would not have seemed personal. Dont misunderstand me, I, in NO way like to think I'm a"insider" I'm just a fan of the Beatles nothing more. I also could care less About Fred Seaman, Dont know him, dont want to know to him. Mr. Charlie your were right ,The book made sense but not because of what i thought, but beacuse it fits with other biographers and what some others that knew John were saying. So i still say she rode the "Lennon horse" for advancement of her own "musical" and "artistic" (and I use those two words VERY loosely) escapades. I feel that if it had not been John, it would have been some other person of noteriety, wealth, and influence that was not sure they knew what they were looking for, That she would have latched onto to futher her agenda. This was the point i really wanted to make and probably should not have mentioned the book. If nothing else maybe its good fiction. Truce Mr. Charlie?

Quoted from tkitna, posted August 2, 2004, 7:01am at here

Lets all relax here and read a book with all of the facts-

LOFL!!!

Quoted from Maria, posted August 2, 2004, 7:07am at here

No less a judge than John Lennon said of DON'T WORRY KYOKO that it was the "best fucking rock-n-roll record ever made".

That makes Yoko a genius, yes?

No.  It means John wasn't.

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle, posted August 2, 2004, 10:44am at here

Very good, informative book but there are a few disturbing writings and at the time this book had a bit of a slating for sensationalising. Especially John's possible likes of thai boys and some 'further' relationships with Brian. I still found it very good though. Read with an open mind!

Please.  This was a far more vile crapfest than Seaman's ever was.  There is so much false information in this book.  It is a hit piece from a disillusioned homosexual.  Goldman is frying in hell somewhere (he pulled the same stunt with Elvis and Lenny Bruce).

Quoted from RICKENBACKER325, posted August 2, 2004, 12:10pm at here

OK, I must be wrong about the book, maybe if you had offered those facts instead of the comments to start with it would not have seemed personal. Dont misunderstand me, I, in NO way like to think I'm a"insider" I'm just a fan of the Beatles nothing more. I also could care less About Fred Seaman, Dont know him, dont want to know to him. Mr. Charlie your were right ,The book made sense but not because of what i thought, but beacuse it fits with other biographers and what some others that knew John were saying. So i still say she rode the "Lennon horse" for advancement of her own "musical" and "artistic" (and I use those two words VERY loosely) escapades. I feel that if it had not been John, it would have been some other person of noteriety, wealth, and influence that was not sure they knew what they were looking for, That she would have latched onto to futher her agenda. This was the point i really wanted to make and probably should not have mentioned the book. If nothing else maybe its good fiction. Truce Mr. Charlie?

Sure. 

A lot of people think that of her and I can't say you're right or wrong.

It's just when someone praises Goldman's/Seaman's/Rosen's books I get a bit blustery.  I really was not directing my blast at you, you simply read a book and believed it.  It's hard to know anymore who is lying and who isn't.

Anyway, no offense meant.  I won't bother you with this subject any more.

Wow, a lot of stuff has come down since I started this thread. I see Charlie has already said a lot of what I wanted to, and I thank him for that (hey, Mr. Charlie - please post the famous Lennon quote where John says "f*** you" to people who think he had "the wool pulled over his eyes". I always put this in the faces of the clueless fans who think John was lead around like a dog by Yoko. I know you've posted it elsewhere, but this is the perfect thread for it!

Fred Seaman was a creep, a thief - and he got arrested for his crimes and always had an axe to grind against Yoko (and John, to a lesser extent). He stole John's diary and other posessions and cannot be trusted. His book is a pile of crap and I wouldn't believe 99% of it, if even that. I have it. I've read it. Seaman's a leech. 

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No less a judge than John Lennon said of DON'T WORRY KYOKO that it was the "best fucking rock-n-roll record ever made".

I'm sure he didn't mean this literally; it was probably his way of saying that he liked the record, and that he was tired of all the bull against Yoko. And you know what? I've come to dig the song over the years myself.

*Another of my favorite and most beautiful Christmas songs is Yoko's "Listen, the snow is falling". *  -- Beautiful, and very poetic.

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I realize that John needs to take alot of the blame too, but here goes.

Blame for what? For being in love? Love is blind, they say...

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But really, why was the first post so confrontational?

Due to 30 some odd years of hearing a lot of bull against Yoko... I've heard it all, since I've been around 42 years and not 15 or 16. So I already know what people generally think about the subject. Also, I've read her bashed in other threads here. That was my inspiration.

In December 1980, everyone started to love Yoko and feel sorry for her when she lost her man. Now it's the same garbage all over again.

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle, posted August 2, 2004, 10:44am at here

Very good, informative book but there are a few disturbing writings and at the time this book had a bit of a slating for sensationalising. Especially John's possible likes of thai boys and some 'further' relationships with Brian. I still found it very good though. Read with an open mind!

It's pure slander,written by a very strange man looking for revenge. (great SNL skit about this, Goldman was 5th Beatle, got kicked out, 30 years later writes book).  I found it disgusting but maybe I'm just not as "open"

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Except for a very few songs I cannot take her 'music' either, and yes, Joe, especially in the 60's and 70's her 'music' consisted of mainly wailing and screeching, usually over some very good music beds.  Nowadays she takes a stab at singing, and she's alright.

Do you mean "nowadays" as in the 21st Century? Because she's been singing (not amazingly well, but I mean singing and not only screeching) during all the decades of the 60s, 70s, 80s and onward. 

But people tend to focus in on what they want to, I believe. It's like Elvis Presley. Everyone who doesn't know much about The King just automatically conjures up an image of this big fat guy in a jumpsuit with dark glasses who does nothing but eat fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. It's the image people "want" to latch onto, even though that period of Elvis' life was VERY TINY. But somehow, it makes people feel good to bash him as that fallen image. And they ignore the other 38 or so years of his life.

With Yoko, you don't even have to listen to all her albums or hear her speak or meet her to automatically know how to be with the "in" crowd and what to think of her: "She's a witch, she's evil, she broke up The Beatles, she ruined John and all she ever did was yell on records".  And presto ----- Instant Yoko Know-It All!  (By the way, I don't mean this with regard to you, Charlie, but it wound up being part of this post)

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She was one factor of many that led to the breakup, but it was JOHN who brought her into the studio and forced her on his mates.  He wanted to force a confrontation and he did.

Yes, she SHOULD have found a way to gracefully exit, and she should NEVER have offered musical advice to the boys.  She clearly was without a clue.

As much as I've been defending Yoko here, I won't pretend that I don't agree with most of what you're saying here. I think Yoko should have been more graceful and considerate and said, "Gee, John, I don't really think this is my place..."  But I don't think John wanted to "force a confrontation" in a combative sense.. I believe it was all innocent on his part. He met Yoko, she made him feel alive for the first real time in his life (despite what we or anyone else thinks), and he wanted to share it with the Beatles and have her be a part of everything. Love is blind, and it blinded John. But he always seemed genuinely naive about bringing Yoko into the studio. One of his quotes was: "Being naive in lots of ways, I had no idea I was going to get a shalacking from the immediate family"

About her being "without a clue", I  am sure this is the case, but I'm not 100% positive about it -- after all, John's signature classic, "Imagine," was directly inspired out of a passage in Yoko's book, GRAPEFRUIT. She is also the one who came up with the quote, "Woman is the N igger of the World."