Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted September 20, 2004, 9:33pm at here

..and Helping the Iraq people isnt one of them.

They do, because they must, but this is not a priority..merely a side objective which keeps Human Rights-organisations at bay.

My thoughts exactly.

I agree with you Sarah that normal people wouldn't start a war just for financial reasons, but we have to face the fact that George W. Bush is not a normal human being... Sad but true... In his years as governor and president he made it pretty clear that a human life doesn't have that much value to him...

Money is definetely not  the only reason that we are in Iraq.  Interest in Afganistan was waning, and Bush new another war would help scare voters from him.  And who knows maybe he actually does believe his lies about WMD's and 9/11.

If anyone does not believe money is a key factor in the "war" in Iraq. Can anyone tell me what certain vice president (and former "big wig" of Haliburton who happens to still own interest in Haliburton) let a certain company go in with "no bid contracts" and control most all reconstruction,fuel shipments,meal distribution,and there are other roles this company plays  i just cant remember them all now.  I think the company's name was........hum........let me see........ it started with an h...???? oh yeah, I remember now it was Haliburton. This was one key factor, but there were others that I all ready went over earlier in this thread. 

Quoted from Ssarah, posted September 20, 2004, 6:51pm at here

Because our country was threatened and Bush doesn't know what to do about it so he jumped to go to Iraq because he feels he has to do something or the people will think he is doing nothing and wont vote for him again.

You know that's a damn fine thought there, Ssarah.  One that doesn't usually get discussed.

You said it perfectly.

Quoted from IndicaWalrus, posted September 20, 2004, 7:53pm at here

I think the reasons for War etc are on a slightly more complex level.

Indeed it is, but Ssarah hit the nail on the head with that analysis.  It's not the ONLY reason but is certainly one of the top reasons.

WAR IS OVER IF YOU WANT IT

Quoted from Beatle_Ed, posted September 21, 2004, 8:06am at here

WAR IS OVER IF YOU WANT IT

Say what now?

Anyhow we didn't go to Iraq because Bush got scared and didn't know what to do.  When Bush entered the White House he already had plans to attack Iraq and get revenge for his dead, as well as protect his own money, and make a considerable sum more of it.  Then 9/11 happened and he thought to himself "Hell yes!  Now I can attack Iraq......provided they had something to do with this."  Then he found it they didn't and thought "Dammit!  Now I have to go after this other guy, who did this with the CIA training my dad gave him."  After a while fake pursuing the real bad guy he decided to divert the peoples attention over to Iraq so he could do what he had been planning from the beginning, so he tried to tie Iraq with 9/11, and establish that Iraq was a massive threat to the United States.  And since all Middle Easterners are the same to Americans, he got to do what he wanted.

I'll bet he's glad now that he was able to get his brother to rig up the election for him.

Quoted from Beatle_Ed, posted September 21, 2004, 8:06am at here

WAR IS OVER IF YOU WANT IT

That's true, but unfortionately there are some very powerful people that seem to want war...

Quoted from strutter84, posted September 21, 2004, 8:39am at here

Say what now?

Anyhow we didn't go to Iraq because Bush got scared and didn't know what to do.  When Bush entered the White House he already had plans to attack Iraq and get revenge for his dead, as well as protect his own money, and make a considerable sum more of it.  Then 9/11 happened and he thought to himself "Hell yes!  Now I can attack Iraq......provided they had something to do with this."  Then he found it they didn't and thought "Dammit!  Now I have to go after this other guy, who did this with the CIA training my dad gave him."  After a while fake pursuing the real bad guy he decided to divert the peoples attention over to Iraq so he could do what he had been planning from the beginning, so he tried to tie Iraq with 9/11, and establish that Iraq was a massive threat to the United States.  And since all Middle Easterners are the same to Americans, he got to do what he wanted.

I'll bet he's glad now that he was able to get his brother to rig up the election for him.

I don't believe that.  Maybe you should try and get over your blinding hate for Bush and just try and look at it from a different view. You don't have to accept the view but you could atleast try and look at it. I don't like Bush either so don't think I'm defending him to the end.

Look how dang close the elections were. Bush is scared to death he isn't going to get re-elected and chances are he wont.  The People of the US were extreamly angry after 9-11 and demanded Bush do something. If he would have stepped back and said well it's no ones fault but the terrorists we can't do anything, then all hell would have broken loose.  He had to be the hero and turn the blame on someone.

Quoted from Ssarah, posted September 21, 2004, 2:45pm at here

Maybe you should try and get over your blinding hate for Bush and just try and look at it from a different view.

Since I guess this is probably also directed towards me:

Before 2000 I never heard of George W. Bush so I haven't always hated him. His actions through the years made me hate him. So he personally created all that blinding hate towards himself.

Talking about different points of view... I'm not even 100% sure that Bush had nothing to do with 9-11... Yeah that's right... I'm probably going way too far for some of you, but I think there is a possibility that George W. Bush was behind 9-11... Just look at the facts.

1) Bush never made a big deal of sending people to their death by the dozens. He set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history, and he didn't hesitate to start an unjust war. Furthermore he authorized the use of cluster bombs and daisy cutters in populated areas of Iraq, which killed about 10.000 (!!!) innocent civilians. That's about 3 times as many people as died in New York... He didn't hesitate to kill 10.000 Iraqi civilians, so it's not that strange to think he could've killed 3.000 innocent American civilians as wel... And that's not all: Bush is a religious fanatic that believes in the apocalypse and that ONLY Evangelical Christians are eligible for the afterlife anyway (true fact!).

2) 9-11 Practically gave Dubya super powers. You could've expected that after 9-11, all hell would break loose and that people in their blind anger and fear would let their leader get away with just about anything.

3) During the first few days after 9-11, no one was allowed to leave the US... Except for several relatives of Osama Bin Laden that lived in the US! Nobody even bothered to ask them any questions... (again, not a rumor but a fact).

4) The Bush and Bin Laden families go way back... Bush sr. and the Bin Laden family were business partners in the 80's (yet another fact).

And someday it will be a proven fact that George Bush rigged the election in 2000 too.  You can discount it all you want, but there's too much evidence to show that it happened.  Anybody can see that that's what really happened.  And it can happen again this year if it needs to. 

My blinding hatred for George Bush comes from things he's done throughout his term.  It didn't exist before.  When the election was over and they gave it to him I just thought, "Oh well, we can survive 4 years of a Republican president I suppose".  Then time after time again he screwed up, and put his family above the rest of the world.

Hail to the thief.

Quoted from Biscuit_Power, posted September 21, 2004, 4:30pm at here

Talking about different points of view... I'm not even 100% sure that Bush had nothing to do with 9-11... Yeah that's right... I'm probably going way too far for some of you, but I think there is a possibility that George W. Bush was behind 9-11... Just look at the facts.

1) Bush never made a big deal of sending people to their death by the dozens. He set the record for the most executions by any governor in American history, and he didn't hesitate to start an unjust war. Furthermore he authorized the use of cluster bombs and daisy cutters in populated areas of Iraq, which killed about 10.000 (!!!) innocent civilians. That's about 3 times as many people as died in New York... He didn't hesitate to kill 10.000 Iraqi civilians, so it's not that strange to think he could've killed 3.000 innocent American civilians as wel... And that's not all: Bush is a religious fanatic that believes in the apocalypse and that ONLY Evangelical Christians are eligible for the afterlife anyway (true fact!).

2) 9-11 Practically gave Dubya super powers. You could've expected that after 9-11, all hell would break loose and that people in their blind anger and fear would let their leader get away with just about anything.

3) During the first few days after 9-11, no one was allowed to leave the US... Except for several relatives of Osama Bin Laden that lived in the US! Nobody even bothered to ask them any questions... (again, not a rumor but a fact).

4) The Bush and Bin Laden families go way back... Bush sr. and the Bin Laden family were business partners in the 80's (yet another fact).

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard.  You forget that almost everything the president does is monitored.  The president isn't some all mighty guy who can do anything he wants.


And no the hatred comment was not directed at you.

See how fast you are to spring to conclusions.... (insert dramatic music here)

Quoted from strutter84, posted September 21, 2004, 6:37pm at here

And someday it will be a proven fact that George Bush rigged the election in 2000 too.  You can discount it all you want, but there's too much evidence to show that it happened.  Anybody can see that that's what really happened.  And it can happen again this year if it needs to. 

My blinding hatred for George Bush comes from things he's done throughout his term.  It didn't exist before.  When the election was over and they gave it to him I just thought, "Oh well, we can survive 4 years of a Republican president I suppose".  Then time after time again he screwed up, and put his family above the rest of the world.

Hail to the thief.

Actually there are tons of people who voted for Bush thinking he was going to be a great president.  Tons regret it and I'm sure tons deny the fact they even voted for him.

Quoted from Ssarah, posted September 21, 2004, 6:38pm at here

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. 

I'm sorry you think that way, but it's not like I made up this theory myself... It's an existing theory that even several well respected journalists firmly believe in. And the arguments I added are all 100% true facts.