I think they didn't believe him (tho their own stories later say something different) ... hadn't he said by that time that he was Christ reborn? ... after all, Paul, George and Ringo recorded I Me Mine in January 1970 (good George's line, that day:
George: You all will have read that ah... Dave Dee is no longer with us. But Micky and Tich and I would just like to carry on the good work that's always gone down in number two.
Reference to John, absent at this session (holidaying in Denmark), George is carrying on with Ringo and Paul to record his own song.
No 2 is Studio 2 at Abbey Road.
Of course, Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick and Tich was another group of the era, so Dave Dee is John, Mick and Tich are Paul and Ringo (which is which?) and George is either Dozy or Beaky.
... and by then John gave the tapes of the Get Back project to Phil Spector to make a "new" album of "the band"... I think that the door was still open for everybody and for everything ... untill Paul's anouncement ... anyway, it's only what I think and I know we've discuss this here : http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-cc/m-1112105202/s-75/
Quote from todays Sun (not known for its journalistic integrity):
ONO, I LOVE HIM Yoko Ono has admitted she "regretted" falling in love with Beatle John Lennon. Yoko - 73 - whose husband was murdered in 1980 - said " We sacrificed a lot for it. John was laughed at for being in love with me. And I think I was discredited as an artist." But she told a US magazine: "It was the greatest thing that happened to me."
That Cut Piece thing, I can tell you as someone who's lived in Japan, is typically Japanese - both predictable and strange (at least, strange from a non-Japanese cultural perspective). Yoko looks unusually attractive in it.
In the Can You Spot Her clip, if that's Yoko singing at the start, a lot of traditional Japanese singing sounds like that - so that's not exactly Yoko being strange as such.
Everyone always trashes Yoko as an artist before she met John. For a bit of contempory insight, here's a Times review of her work from 18th November 1967. I'm not sure if he likes it or not.
THE WAYS OF YOKO ONO. An art gallery exhibition is only one of the ways Japanese artist Yoko Ono works. For the past year she has been in England and made a film, staged events, written and used the post. On the invitation to her recent show...she has written "have you seen an horizon lately?" It is a simpler and more effective "work", on the whole, than any of the objects in the exhibition, which would prick the mind with a paradox (one is a row of three spoons labelled "four spoons") were they not so carefully and tastefully presented that the thought cannot often come alive. Downstairs is quite a different kind of work. A small paper-lined room has been built with hidden lights which dim gradually and brighten again and a continious vague recorded sound. In the room this private experience of the darkness growing is very beautiful, but by now lights, loudspeakers and screen projections have become the accepted furniture of this kind of room. A less obviously sense-stimilating experience, in fact an experience undirected and open in meaning..could touch each spectator to the core.
"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."
"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."
"Jimmy was a cool guitar player. Henry (McCullough) had been too, but Jimmy seemed a bit special." - Paul McCartney
Never fails to make me smile when people that know very little about the subject decide that yoko is the do-er of all things evil and to blame for everything that they are not happy with.
Makes me laugh even more when they think they are insulting her by calling her Joko and because of their ignorance dont realise that they john and yoko used to refer to themselves as Joko. oh well, lets see if we can educate this unfortunate.
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While browsing around i found an old clip from a newspaper about a woman complaining about seeing an ad in Rolling Stone of John and Yoko's backsides on a Vodka ad. This is blatant abusive advertising done on Yoko's part to get more money.
Yeah because she's short of a few quid isnt she? She has more money than she could spend in a thousand lifetimes so i doubta few grand from this ad made much impact to her stash. I presume you are referring to the back of the two virgins album cover. Maybe she just thought it was funny. Do you think John would have been against it? Do you think he was humourless? When john died yoko said that she would periodically release things that the fans needed to hear ,see or read and so far she has never let us down. Just remember without Yoko, theres no Beatles Anthology (which btw well done for managing to read, some of the writing was quite big wasnt it), no lennon anthology, no Threetles, no Imagine film etc etc.
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Everyone can see that once John found Yoko, something inside of him changed.
Yes he fell in love
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He unknowingly married a woman who said she "didnt know Beatles" but after he dies, keeps on using his name to reap in the bounty. I cant respect that, and i would think that anyone who really enjoyed and liked John Lennon would feel intense animosity towards Yoko Ono. .
Oh he knew all right. and No anyone that knows anything about or understands john lennon will completely get what he and yoko were about. I seriously dont get what she is supposed to have done wrong.
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She broke up the Beatles, and they all say that it was going downhill and whatever, but once she got there, that was it. .
hmm havent heard that one before ! Really? Better read that book again. Clues, Klien,Eastmans,money,music, live performances,let it be,mccartney. Put all those into the pot too and you might get somewhere close
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I respect him, I love his music, but he was brainwashed by this Japanese harlot, who was also older than he was, and women can mess with a man's head like no other thing. .
But you dont respect him enough to believe that he was able to think for himself, knew what he wanted and most arrogantly think you know whats best for him. Ans hse may have got her tits out once or twice but i dont ever remember reading that she was a prostitute.
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Yoko has no solo career, she was a nobody until she got with John Lennon,
Wrong she was very well known in her own field.
oh well hope youve learned something, i know i have.
^ I think Yoko did have a lot to do with the breakup of The Beatles, as did the death of Brian Epstein, Klein, Let It Be etc I don't see what harm the Eastman's did unless you don't like McCartney all that much. I don't see how you could say that without Yoko that there wouldn't be a Beatles Anthology or Imagine or Lennon Anthology etc I am sure if Cynthia was still married to John at the time of his passing, we'd still have the Beatles Anthology etc
Yoko does a lot of crap that makes no sense. For example, suing a musician for using the name Lennon when it is in fact the performer's name given to her at birth? What the heck is that about? Also she treated both Julian and Cynthia like complete crap. Yoko just doesn't have that much respect from me.
Also, John and Yoko referred to themselves as JohnandYoko...not Joko.
"Wings IV introduced Jimmy McCulloch, a spunky lead guitarist with grit, able to spur Paul on unlike any previous soloist. His debut track, the magnificent single `Junior's Farm', stands as one of Wings' finest emotional and technical releases."
"Few people on this planet know as much about Jimmy's musical history than you."
"Jimmy was a cool guitar player. Henry (McCullough) had been too, but Jimmy seemed a bit special." - Paul McCartney
No not a McCartney hater in the slightest, I love the man. The reference to the eastmans was purely implying that mccartneys preference for the eastmans to manage as appose to Lennon favouring Klien was instrumental to the breakup. Far more so than the fact that John was pre-occupied with yoko. Thats what i meant by including them in that list. I wasnt blaming anyone, i just assumed by listing the factors people on a forum such as this would know the facts behind each.
What i meant by without yoko.... was that without her willingness to share the material those projects wouldnt have happened. She didnt have to do that, the tapes belonged to her. Please dont follow this up with, "she only did it to make cash" because that excuse doesnt wash. As i said above she has more money than she knows what to do with, so that cant be her motivation.
Your point about cynthia still being married to him is irrelevant because that isnt the case.
Do you seriously believe that she would sue someone for having the name lennon. I can see that getting a long way through the courts. Come on, shes not stupid, far from it,shes highly intelligent. theres either more to it than simply a name or the story is completely made up (as is half the stories surrounding yoko.
She has no obligation to cynthia whatsoever and if you think not giving julian a heap of cash to stick up his nose,treating him badly then fair do's, i'd call it responsible parenting.
you never heard of Joko films then?
It doesnt really matter what i say, if you hate yoko then no amount of reasoning or common sense is going to change your mind. You'll believe what you want to believe. But as far as Im concerned she deserves our support, she is doing her utmost to keep johns name alive with good product and good projects that he would be proud of. I really dont get what she is supposed to have done wrong. Shes a good decent person
I take it your quite happy with Cynthia though. A woman that calls herself lennon yet again despite being married 4 times. but of course those guys surnames dont sell books or get her after dinner speaking engagements. He and May Pang alike are clinging onto johns shirt tails for dear life and making as much as they can out of his name. Look at cynthias book John, she was quite happy to blacken his name and freely contradicts stories that she told in her first book for the sake of good story and a newspaper serialisation but i dont see much disapproval of her actions. Like I say, people believe what they want to believe, without applying the facts. to my mind cynthia lennon is far more of a villian that yoko will ever be.
It's not much use to react on a post that's over three years old, Tony. I see your point tho and everybody's entitled to their own opinion. Maybe Yoko was not the reason, but I do think of her as a katalysator (sp?).
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