I always blamed yoko I respect john but I do blame yoko for the break up for the beatles and Ive seen news footage about the beatles where yoko said john wanted her there witch I dont believe and the others hated her.
What i meant by without yoko.... was that without her willingness to share the material those projects wouldnt have happened.
Yes, she was so willing she made a deal. "You hold off on this project you've been planning for years, so I can release my movie first. After I have my money and exposure, then you can release your Beatles film." The Anthology, when finally released, was wildly successful and brought in a whole new wave of Beatles fans, such as me. Yoko could reap the benefit of that as well as anyone.
Please dont follow this up with, "she only did it to make cash" because that excuse doesnt wash. As i said above she has more money than she knows what to do with, so that cant be her motivation.
I'm just going to speculate that you don't know many millionaires. (And before you argue, yes, I do.) With many people who have money, the game is to make more money. But we don't need the cash reason. Yoko loves attention; that's why John couldn't do any truly solo project while he was with her-- not sing at a concert, not make an album-- Yoko always had to be in there front and center. There's a name for this: narcissism. Yoko has it in spades.
She has no obligation to cynthia whatsoever and if you think not giving julian a heap of cash to stick up his nose,treating him badly then fair do's, i'd call it responsible parenting.
And I would call it theft. John had intended (at least verbally) to provide for his first son. He was irresponsible in not leaving a will that would allow him to follow through on that intention (if that was indeed his intention and not just words he thought would sound good). He left the estate in control of Yoko, and it took years for Julian to get a tiny shred of John's vast estate. This is simply appalling behavior. It was appalling when John cut Cynthia loose with a chintzy 70,000 pounds for life. (And he wouldn't have even given her that if Yoko had not become pregnant, blowing up John's case that Cynthia was the one committing adultery.) It was appalling that Julian's trust fund (only 100K to begin with, I believe) was set up so his portion was halved with every subsequent child born. This is petty mess. As a parent, John really failed his obligations.
I personally believe that, with his rotten terms, John was punishing Cynthia for getting pregnant and making him the "married Beatle" when all his buddies were having all that fun. But if John was irresponsible, Yoko was malicious. There is no good reason with all her millions to withhold what was a fair portion of John's estate from his first son who, hello, should have been eligible for half. But she wanted everything for herself and Sean. The "up his nose" argument doesn't hold any water. It's not a legal argument-- anyone can spend their money however they want to. And if you think our dear Yoko never put anything up her nose, I wonder what world you're living in.
All you've got to do is choose love. That's how I live it now. I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden. I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007
For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
well lets not let facts get in the way of a good bias opinion eh harihead? As a new fan, i completely understand your need to run with the pack on here to gain some kind of kudos,but you'll do that much better armed with some good solid facts rather than a load of hot air.
So what movie would that be that she was asking to be held off. This is obviously her actual words because youve put it in quotation marks . Ok the facts. The Long and Winding road (anthology) had been lying dormant for over 20 years. It was yokos agreement to allow johns tapes to be used for the project that kick started it again.THAT IS FACT. And yes of course she benefitted financially from it but that wasnt my point was it? You personally benefitted from it and so did every other fan.
For the record Johns output without yoko POB/Imagine/Mind Games/Walls & bridges/Rock n Roll. Ok? So yet again you bend the truth to make a point. Do you think linda was Narcissistic too? She played and sang on most of Pauls albums. You dont see that though do you because you have tunnel vision and no amount of reasonable argument can stir you from your closed mindedness. Yoko was on Johns albums and by his side at concerts because HE wanted her there just as Paul wanted linda there.
The settlement that cynthia got and johns failings as a parent are not relevant to this discussion so i will ignore it.
The reason some of Julians money was withheld, like i said was for his own good.Im perfectly aware of yokos drug taking habits in the past but the period of time to which you refer Julian had already pissed away all the money he had earnt as a musician, he was not responsible or in a good place and yoko was looking after his best interests. even he sees that now, why cant you? He got what he needed and hello back, no he is not entitled to half at all . As there was no up to date being that johns death was not expected the whole estate goes to yoko. Not yoko and sean just yoko. He has since received a huge pay out from yoko and will cop for a whole lot more when she dies.
You see its a much stronger argument when you post facts rather than try and build a case on hear say and bloat it out with irrelevant nonsense.
You dont see that though do you because you have tunnel vision and no amount of reasonable argument can stir you from your closed mindedness.
Wow, you know me so well. It's like you can read my mind.
You want to back off on the hostility and personal insults, Maccalennon. I enjoy discussion, but this is more of a rant. That will get you a big yawn from most of the people on this board.
Linda was not narcissistic. That is a personality disorder that in my opinion Yoko has. John had it too, in a degree. Unfortunately I have to work with this in my daily life, so the hallmarks are clear to me. You're of course entitled to disagree with me. This is my own observation, and as far as I know, no one else on the forum has made this suggestion.
All you've got to do is choose love. That's how I live it now. I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden. I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007
For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
Tony (maccalennon), we like to encourage discussion here. And sometimes that discussion can get heated if two people dissagree, but personal insults are out. So please check it. I'm sure that you and Harihead could have a perfectly interesting (though heated) discussion without resorting to that.
Thanks.
I just want you to reassure him - talk to him, make him see the error of his ways. Then I'll hit him.
I think Yoko gets a lot of undue stick over the beakup but I don't like or respect her. Then again, I don't respect or like John either. And if Paul wasn't an ex-Beatle I wouldn't want him around my gaffe. George and Ringo don't seem the sort of people I would want to hang around with either. (except Ringo would be fun if you wanted to get trashed, but those kind of relationships are never rewarding.) If Yoko was dominant and manipulative, then John was weak and submissive. I find none of these glaringly attractive personality traits.
Thanks, guys. Anyway, I'm done. Tony already knows everything I'm going to say -- which you have to admit is quite a time saver!
All you've got to do is choose love. That's how I live it now. I learned a long time ago, I can feed the birds in my garden. I can't feed them all. -- Ringo Starr, Rolling Stone magazine, May 2007
For all I know, Ringo might be a yogi disguised as a drummer! - George Harrison
No maybe not but between the pair of you youve killed the thread with over moderation and one sided over modration at that. Im sure harihead was coping. If youre going to play policeman, play it fairly
Home
Calendar
Search
Register
Login
A1beatlefan
Female
Male
Logged
