Appreciated Andaludias information. Here is what I have written about Tommy:
MOORE, TOMMY. A Liverpool drummer, he played with the Silver Beatles in 1960. The group had been performing without a drummer as the Quarry Men, but began changing their name and felt they needed someone in the drum seat. After Brian Casser had said that the name the Beatals was no good, they changed it to the Silver Beetles (also Silver Beatles) and, on Casser’s recommendation, they invited Tommy Moore to join them. At the time, Tommy was a fork-lift truck operator at the Window Lane branch of the Garston Bottle works. He was 26 years old, in contrast to Lennon, who was 19. Apparently, during the short time he was with them there was continual tension between him and John, who was reputed to have needled him mercilessly. Initially, he rehearsed with them at Gambier Terrace. When they were due to audition for Larry Parnes at the Wyvern Club, playing four numbers in a ten-minute set, Moore was late and didn’t turn up until halfway through their set. They began playing with Johnny Hutchinson of the Big Three taking Moore’s place – and photographs of the audition, taken by Chenison Roland, show Hutch in the drum seat – so the image of Moore as a member of the group was lost to posterity. As a result of the audition, the group was booked for a short tour of Scotland, backing Johnny Gentle, although they weren’t selected as Billy Fury’s backing group. Parnes said that this was because of Moore, whom he felt was far older than the other members, and also because he didn’t dress in the same manner. Parnes didn’t like the fact that Moore had turned up late, either. Despite the pressure from his girlfriend not to join them, Moore took time off from his job to tour Scotland with them, which took place between 20 and 28 May. On 23 May, when their regular driver, Gerry Scott, needed to rest, Gentle took over as driver, but crashed the car into the back of a two door Austin saloon at the crossroads outside Banff. An elderly gentleman and his wife, who’d been shopping in Aberdeen, drove it. The only injuries suffered were by Moore, who was catapulted forward with such force that his face struck the equipment in the van. He was concussed and had a front tooth knocked out. He was taken to the local cottage hospital and had stitches in his upper lip. The promoter insisted on them having a drummer so they forced the injured Moore, still groggy from pain killing drugs, to play with them that night at Fraserburgh. At the end of the tour, Moore found he had only profited by 2 pounds. Tommy decided to leave the group following their appearance at the Institute, Neston on 9 June and he didn’t turn up at the Jacaranda on 11 June to set off with them for their Grosvenor Hall booking. Allan Williams and the Beatles went to Moore’s house in Fern Grove, Toxteth to get him, but received a torrent of abuse from his girlfriend, who leaned out of an upstairs window and shouted: “You can go and piss off! He’s not playing with you any more; he’s got a job at Garston Bottle works on the night shift.” They all rushed to the works and found him driving his fork-lift, but he refused to go to the gig with them. So they arrived at the Grosvenor with Tommy’s kit, but no drummer. When John mentioned this over the mike, a teddy boy called Ronnie got up on stage and joined them, thumping away at the drums and damaging Moore’s kit. Tommy actually made one further appearance with the band – at the Jacaranda on 13 June. He was to die of a stroke in 1981, soon after joining a local jazz band.
and so we know at long last the end of moore...thanks bill we were wondering about this for quite sometime.....they were quite drummerless very often i heard...
Parnes didn’t like the fact that Moore had turned up late, either.
I'd read somewhere that this is because Tommy was working and couldn't get there in time. Was that just another rumor?
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Appreciated Andaludias information. Here is what I have written about Tommy:
...They began playing with Johnny Hutchinson of the Big Three taking Moore’s place – and photographs of the audition, taken by Chenison Roland, show Hutch in the drum seat – so the image of Moore as a member of the group was lost to posterity.
But the pictures above are not of Johnny Hutchinson, so I bet it's Tommy Moore there.
and so we know at long last the end of moore...thanks bill we were wondering about this for quite sometime.....they were quite drummerless very often i heard...
You know, when you look at those pictures on the other site, and this is just my observation, wouldn't the FIRST picture look like it would be Tommy Moore? That guy looks like he's about 15 years older than the Beatles. And there is only one picture of him. The others show a much younger kid, and that would fit the description of Hutchinson. I also read Hutchinson was with the Cassanovas? (From the Spitz book).
Hi Casbah, despite the fact that you have read the Spitz book (which is full of errors) I believe you are right. I'm pretty sure this is the Beatles with Tommy Moore, who arrived late for the audition and was temporarily replaced by Johnny Hutchinson.
This is the guy I thought was Tommy Moore. And again, I'm only going by my own opinion and certainly not by any presumption of authority on the matter.
But when I look at this picture, I see a much older man, dressed completely different from the other Beatles. As you are well aware, these are the two reasons given by Larry Parnes for not liking him.
The kid in the other picture, would seem to be a better fit for a band, more than likely to be a peer of the other guys, although dressed more conservatively...
But I guess until either Tommy or Johnny comes forward to help clear things up, we'll just have to keep guessing
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