Hey why no mention of Tommy Moore. Tommy played in the band for a while and was regarded by George as the best drummer they ever had. Tommy was a friend of my fathers and i knew him well,he was like an uncle to me and such a nice bloke. sadly Tommy passed away in September 1981.

do any members know or wish to post about Tommy??thanks Tony.

yes tommy moore was there.
he was older than the other three.he was 25 when he joined.he was a docks worker.that drove a fork lift i recall.
wasn't his girl friend always on him to quit because he made no money playing with the guys???he was also unreliable they said.often late to shows if he even showed.
i am not trying to degrade him just relate what my conception of him is.its probally biased.it comes only from what i have read.you have shone a new light on tommy.please carry on.....

I am no Beatles expert,i like the music and being from their home town the interests are all around.I also Once lived in Arnold Grove and if any off you have ever visited Liverpool and took a photo of George`s old house then you would have stood outside my old house to take it.i also once had a flat in Faulkner street next to where John and Cynthia first lived together. i know a few people who work on the Beatles tours in Liverpool and would be happy to answer anyone`s Questions about places in Liverpool,just PM me or write in the general boards and i will try to answer.but remember i am no expert.

Right now Tommy Moore. Well Tommy worked in Standards bottle works in garston and he did drive a forklift.(my father worked with him there)he had a flat in Smithdown Lane with his girlfriend.Tommy said she suffered depression and was violent on occasions and would tell The Beatles to F#*' off if ever they met.He said himself He could not always turn up at gigs due to the arguments. He was not bitter that he left the band and was a big fan.he took me to my first Beatle convention and would tell me stories about the lads.Tommy later married another girl and had a daughter called Claire.he divorced and lived in the Belle Vale area of liverpool.This is when i got to know him better and he really was a great guy.sadly he died in 1981 and only 11 people came to his funeral.i thought this was very sad.Bob wooler was there and spoke highly of Tommy.

Tommy was only with the Beatles a short time,but he did what most of us have dreamed off.i have read a lot off books and he is not mentioned much and this is why i wanted to put him up on your forum.He played the drums for a while with The Beatles and i believe he deserves a mention for that.so thanks for letting me write about my old friend Tommy on your forum.

Feel free to ask any questions..Thanks again Tony.

I've often wondered what's become of some the people that were present during the Beatles early years. I'm sorry to find out that tommy  passed away.  Your knowing him and  being so close gives us Beatle fans a more personal insight into Tommys life.

great tony.....sorry about that bone-head.
do you have any photos that you can post of mr. tommy?if so share if not a little more praise is ok too.
you cleared up my wrong information.thank you.and for this reason i believe forums work.

sorry i have no photo`s..if anyone knows anything about Tommy`s days in the band please post it.

Tommy Moore joined them on the tour to Scotland, backing up Billy Fury. Tommy and Stu were often treated badly by John Lennon's mean remarks. I think one day during the tour the van they were travelling in almost crashed and Tommy got a suitcase in his eye, which turned totally black. John had to laugh about that all that time he looked at him. I think that's another reason why Tommy left. John was bugging him all the time.

Quoted from Bobber

Tommy Moore joined them on the tour to Scotland, backing up Billy Fury.

Correction: they backed up Johnny Gentle

Hi Andaludia - welcome to the Forum!!! I tidied up this thread - hope that's OK

That was a really great story about Tommy - thank you so much for sharing. And PLEASE feel free to tell us anything you like about Liverpool and the places asscociated with the Beatles - it's nice to have a real life Liverpudlian here!!

Cheers

AL

thats been almost ayear ago al.......

DOH!!

Who's digging up these old posts?! LOL!!

Quoted from The_End

DOH!!

Who's digging up these old posts?! LOL!!

I am! I saw a guest browsing on this thread and I thought it might be interesting. It is, isn't it? But I'm pretty sure Andaludia will take your welcome seriously.  

Quoted from Bobber

I am! I saw a guest browsing on this thread and I thought it might be interesting. It is, isn't it?

Oh yeah absolutely - good find Bobber

I certainly missed it the first time round - maybe because it was Christmas or something!

with age comes the...........the.........oh dang i forgot!!!!!

Wisdom, pc, wisdom.

Heeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeee's Johnny. With George in the background on their tour in Scotland. Johnny even adopted the Beatles shoes.

Tommy:

Appreciated Andaludias information. Here is what I have written about Tommy:

MOORE, TOMMY. A Liverpool drummer, he played with the Silver Beatles in 1960. The group had been performing without a drummer as the Quarry Men, but began changing their name and felt they needed someone in the drum seat. After Brian Casser had said that the name the Beatals was no good, they changed it to the Silver Beetles (also Silver Beatles) and, on Casser’s recommendation, they invited Tommy Moore to join them.
     At the time, Tommy was a fork-lift truck operator at the Window Lane branch of the Garston Bottle works. He was 26 years old, in contrast to Lennon, who was 19. Apparently, during the short time he was with them there was continual tension between him and John, who was reputed to have needled him mercilessly.
     Initially, he rehearsed with them at Gambier Terrace.
     When they were due to audition for Larry Parnes at the Wyvern Club, playing four numbers in a ten-minute set, Moore was late and didn’t turn up until halfway through their set. They began playing with Johnny Hutchinson of the Big Three taking Moore’s place – and photographs of the audition, taken by Chenison Roland, show Hutch in the drum seat – so the image of Moore as a member of the group was lost to posterity.
     As a result of the audition, the group was booked for a short tour of Scotland, backing Johnny Gentle, although they weren’t selected as Billy Fury’s backing group. Parnes said that this was because of Moore, whom he felt was far older than the other members, and also because he didn’t dress in the same manner. Parnes didn’t like the fact that Moore had turned up late, either.
     Despite the pressure from his girlfriend not to join them, Moore took time off from his job to tour Scotland with them, which took place between 20 and 28 May. On 23 May, when their regular driver, Gerry Scott, needed to rest, Gentle took over as driver, but crashed the car into the back of a two door Austin saloon at the crossroads outside Banff. An elderly gentleman and his wife, who’d been shopping in Aberdeen, drove it. The only injuries suffered were by Moore, who was catapulted forward with such force that his face struck the equipment in the van. He was concussed and had a front tooth knocked out. He was taken to the local cottage hospital and had stitches in his upper lip. The promoter insisted on them having a drummer so they forced the injured Moore, still groggy from pain killing drugs, to play with them that night at Fraserburgh.
     At the end of the tour, Moore found he had only profited by 2 pounds.
     Tommy decided to leave the group following their appearance at the Institute, Neston on 9 June and he didn’t turn up at the Jacaranda on 11 June to set off with them for their Grosvenor Hall booking. Allan Williams and the Beatles went to Moore’s house in Fern Grove, Toxteth to get him, but received a torrent of abuse from his girlfriend, who leaned out of an upstairs window and shouted: “You can go and piss off! He’s not playing with you any more; he’s got a job at Garston Bottle works on the night shift.”
     They all rushed to the works and found him driving his fork-lift, but he refused to go to the gig with them. So they arrived at the Grosvenor with Tommy’s kit, but no drummer. When John mentioned this over the mike, a teddy boy called Ronnie got up on stage and joined them, thumping away at the drums and damaging Moore’s kit.
     Tommy actually made one further appearance with the band – at the Jacaranda on 13 June. He was to die of a stroke in 1981, soon after joining a local jazz band.    

and so we know at long last the end of moore...thanks bill we were wondering about this for quite sometime.....they were quite drummerless very often i heard...

Thanks, Bill!

Quoted from Bill Harry

Parnes didn’t like the fact that Moore had turned up late, either.

I'd read somewhere that this is because Tommy was working and couldn't get there in time. Was that just another rumor?

Cheers.

Quoted from Bill Harry

Appreciated Andaludias information. Here is what I have written about Tommy:

...They began playing with Johnny Hutchinson of the Big Three taking Moore’s place – and photographs of the audition, taken by Chenison Roland, show Hutch in the drum seat – so the image of Moore as a member of the group was lost to posterity.

But the pictures above are not of Johnny Hutchinson, so I bet it's Tommy Moore there.

Quoted from pc31

and so we know at long last the end of moore...thanks bill we were wondering about this for quite sometime.....they were quite drummerless very often i heard...

Another forgotten drummer: http://www.dmbeatles.com/forums/b-fifths/m-1126005532/

Yes, the photos look as if they are from the Scottish tour and not the Wyvern Club audition.

Quoted from Bill Harry

Yes, the photos look as if they are from the Scottish tour and not the Wyvern Club audition.

I think they are pictures from the Wyvern Club audition, Bill. Compare the backgrounds here on Chazz Avery's excellent site: http://www.beatlesource.com/savage/1960/60.05.10%20larry%20parnes/60.05.10larryparnes.html

Chazz used to post here for a while as well by the way.

And who is the fourth guy on this pic (an update on Chazz's site):

maybe he was just a go for...you know go for more coffee or go for more ciggies.....

You know, when you look at those pictures on the other site, and this is just my observation, wouldn't the FIRST picture look like it would be Tommy Moore? That guy looks like he's about 15 years older than the Beatles. And there is only one picture of him. The others show a much younger kid, and that would fit the description of Hutchinson. I also read Hutchinson was with the Cassanovas? (From the Spitz book).

Hi Casbah,
despite the fact that you have read the Spitz book (which is full of errors) I believe you are right. I'm pretty sure this is the Beatles with Tommy Moore, who arrived late for the audition and was temporarily replaced by Johnny Hutchinson.

Actually,

This is the guy I thought was Tommy Moore.  And again, I'm only going by my own opinion and certainly not by any presumption of authority on the matter.

But when I look at this picture, I see a much older man, dressed completely different from the other Beatles.  As you are well aware, these are the two reasons given by Larry Parnes for not liking him.

The kid in the other picture, would seem to be a better fit for a band, more than likely to be a peer of the other guys, although dressed more conservatively...

But I guess until either Tommy or Johnny comes forward to help clear things up, we'll just have to keep guessing  

I believe it is confirmed by several sources that the guy in your picture is Johnny Hutchinson.

That's definately Johnny Hutch. Brian Epstein wanted him to replace Pete Best in the Beatles and he actually played with them when Pete left and before Ringo joined. The photo was by Cheniston Roland. You note that you can see Stuart and his guitar. You see his hands on it.  Cheniston took a number of photos, there is one which Stuart has been tuning up and has his back to the photographer. Allan Williams used that particular photo to claim that Stuart performed with his back to the audience, which is untrue. You can see from this photo how Allan has tried to manipulate the truth.

Thanks Bill. So, it is rather safe to draw the conclusion that the other guy behind the drums is Tommy Moore?