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Kevin
January 21, 2005, 5:51pm Report to Moderator

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Just read a review of Help! and the man reckons "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" is about Brian Epsteins gay crush on him!
After 30 odd years of Beatleology this is news to me.
Anyone else heard this?
Sounds dodgy to me


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Quoted from kevin_b, posted January 21, 2005, 5:51pm at here
Just read a review of Help!  Hide Your Love Away" is about Brian Epsteins gay crush on him!
Sounds dodgy to me


not at all dodgy Kev, i think you'll find thats TRUE !


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yeh i think it proberly is true.

on anthology, they play it while they talk about brian's death.
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Yes, I heard it too. But only John knows the truth about this song.
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I've heard that a few times also, I guess it is true, huh? Funny.


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Makes sense to me. I heard John in a interview, say it was him trying to be Dylan. obviuosly before his contempt for him later.


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i just listened to it, it makes perfect sense to be about Brian




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yeah, in a book i read it said they had sex, and it was mentioned more than once...im taking this book to be a pretty good source, because it was written by peter brown.


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John was gay????????????????


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Quoted from sexy_sadie
yeah, in a book i read it said they had sex, and it was mentioned more than once...im taking this book to be a pretty good source, because it was written by peter brown.


I doubt that John ever had sex with any man.
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I doubt that John ever had sex with any man.


i swear to god it said it in the book. i wasn't sure it was true @ 1st, but i did some research and it just might be true. peter brown was pretty close to john, u know? but idk...it could be made up.  


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Yeah, I read the book, too but I just don't believe that. I mean, even Cyn said he was as hetero as a man can get. Read the "The Love You Make" thread started by me in the books and magazines section to read what everyone else thinks.

As for YGTHYLA, I think it makes total sense to be written to Brian.


You're so vain, you probably think this post is about you.
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Yeah, I read the book, too but I just don't believe that. I mean, even Cyn said he was as hetero as a man can get. Read the "The Love You Make" thread started by me in the books and magazines section to read what everyone else thinks.

As for YGTHYLA, I think it makes total sense to be written to Brian.


i'll check that out. did u like the book? im almost done with it, it's pretty big so i'll read chunks of it @ a time and then leave it 4 awhile, then go back.


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Hm. I'm not gonna call John's sexuality into question (lol, I'm a bit of a slash fan. x3;, but it DOES sound like was written for/about Brian. It seems to fit the entire scenerio pretty well. :O


Things they do look awful c-c-cold... yeah, I hope I die before I get old.
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Quoted from sexy_sadie
yeah, in a book i read it said they had sex, and it was mentioned more than once...im taking this book to be a pretty good source, because it was written by peter brown.



Peter Brown was a lying prick.  Don't buy it.
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It was surmised by someone somewhere that it might be about Brian hiding his sexuality.  Realistically that just doesn't make much sense.  It's like coming up with an answer to a question never asked.

Even if he HAD written it to or about Brian, that has no bearing on him being gay (which he wasn't).

Peter Brown was close to the beatles and wounded them all mightily when he wrote that book.  He lied, and he also told secrets he sholdn't have.  

Nothing like being an ex-friend of the beatles I guess.
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Quoted from Mr_Charlie

Even if he HAD written it to or about Brian, that has no bearing on him being gay (which he wasn't).


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am i reading this right lol .. are you saying that Brian wasnt gay charlie ?


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No, you're not reading it right.

I am saying that writing a song about a transvestite (LOLA) did not make Ray Davies one.

Same thing here.
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Quoted from Taxgirl
Yes, I heard it too. But only John knows the truth about this song.


There you go....I heard that..It has been written and documented a lot of times about Brian's feelings for John....True or not....So what? The crush bit may have had nothing to do with it and maybe John wrote it anyway with Brian and other gays he may have known in mind.....No biggy.


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Maybe he (Lennon) had a crush on someone himself...And I'm not speculating about which sex. lol


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good call Apps .. ..

oh yeah ..and charlie cheers for clearing that up


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I think it's fair to say that John was impressed and fascinated with Brian, but stopped short of an affair.

Over the years, John shagged a lot of women (including a Chiffon I think... my sweet Lord!!), but only one unfounded gay rumour has EVER surfaced. Draw your own conclusions from that!


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