I've thought about this for a couple of days - and I want to say, right at the outset, that this has NOTHING to do with Dirk and his aliases.

There is another problem:

There are several moderators on this board, and they each seem to have a different "philosophy" of how to approach their task. Some leave everything well-alone (maybe because they are hardly ever here?!), some are very hands on.

Recently, a thread was locked, and the mod (colleen) explained why. Fine. I disagreed with the action, but I liked the fact that the action was EXPLAINED. Then, however, the locked thread was moved elsewhere, and unlocked! No explanation of who did this, or why. Then, another mod re-locked it (with explanation). What's going on? Do the mods discuss things - or do they just act off their own bat? Seems the latter - colleen locked the thread in question because of how it had gone into a "bickering match", but there are LOTS of threads here where that's been happening - and hardly ever do they get locked.

Next: deleting posts. It hasn't happened to me, but I understand some mods are deleting posts for various reasons. I would ask that when you do this, you EXPLAIN. Otherwise, threads become meaningless.

Lastly, and this is personal. I have been banned TWICE by a moderator recently. An appeal to Dmitry has got me back on quickly (thanks, D), and quite properly has not told me which mod has done the banning. I don't use bad language, though I do enjoy a battle - as do MANY others who don't get banned. It's hard to escape the feeling that a mod has it in for me, and bans me when I annoy them enough. I may well be banned again for this post! The correct thing to do is to WARN someone if you feel that they are overstepping a boundary, and tell them how they can avoid deletions/bannings. I don't like the peremptory and hidden nature of what happens here sometimes. It's hard to escape the conclusion that some mods have had the "power" go to their heads. Further, this board has no common policy about the role of moderator.

Okay, I explained why the thread was locked. I locked it because it got to the point where no one was even discussing the topic. It had become a flame war. I'm not all gung ho on deleting threads and locking them. For the most part I leave things alone. I only had the power to lock that thread because I'm the mod for that board. I agree with you that there are A LOT of threads that contain bickering matches but if they aren't on the forum I'm a mod for I don't have the control to lock it. I don't know who unlocked it and moved it though. It wasn't me. But, now I've noticed that the topic is completely gone. Someone else must have deleted it. Obviously things aren't discussed amongst moderators and maybe they should be.

WTF? I just saw that the thread was moved to the Selling section. Okay, that wasn't me. Unless Dmitry did it but I don't understand why he'd move it there.

Probably a hack.

Frankly this place is turning into a large zoo.  Not a very pleasant one either.

Quoted from Mr_Charlie

Probably a hack.

Frankly this place is turning into a large zoo.  Not a very pleasant one either.

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I can't believe you posted this. You of all people. You got me-I'm speechless.

Quoted from juniorsfarm

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I can't believe you posted this. You of all people. You got me-I'm speechless.

Aawww....a woman scorned and all that, eh 'kiss kiss'?   Your wound is so gaping.

Quoted from Mr_Charlie

Probably a hack.

Frankly this place is turning into a large zoo.  Not a very pleasant one either.

Well I don't get it. There used to be a lot of discussion/debates going on at this forum. It was great. Now it's all fluff. Anytime I try and debate or discuss it either goes nowhere or if there is a differing opinion it turns into childish responses. I like to hear different opinions especially when they're backed up by something. I like to hear others opinions. Not, that was great or well to each his own. Where's the discussion???? Isn't that why we're here? And when a person doesn't agree, it doesn't mean they're trying to annoy or piss people off. Anyway, now I'm rambling. I hope it makes sense.

Quoted from Maccalvr

Well I don't get it. There used to be a lot of discussion/debates going on at this forum. It was great. Now it's all fluff. Anytime I try and debate or discuss it either goes nowhere or if there is a differing opinion it turns into childish responses. I like to hear different opinions especially when they're backed up by something. I like to hear others opinions. Not, that was great or well to each his own. Where's the discussion???? Isn't that why we're here? And when a person doesn't agree, it doesn't mean they're trying to annoy or piss people off. Anyway, now I'm rambling. I hope it makes sense.

Of course it doesn't.  What the hell is the matter with you???



You're right, of course.  And yes, you have been discussing pretty in depth stuff from what I've seen.  

These things tend to go in waves, sometimes a lot of thoughtful analysis, other times fluff.  Partly, I think, because there's just not that much new in Beatle land all that often.  When there is a new release or controversy or something everyone responds.

When nothing is going on tho it gets boring and then people will say anything just to talk.  Kind of common, really.

I would just keep posting on topic, avoiding the flames when you can, and know that you are a contributor and not a person who can only tear-down.

(Cue junior)

Ah! You scared me for a minute! Anyway, I guess my so called discussion posts are not so interesting. I'll try to stop. I just end up annoying people anyway. That's what happens when I get to chatty.

Quoted from Ydoll_Gwyn

I've thought about this for a couple of days - and I want to say, right at the outset, that this has NOTHING to do with Dirk and his aliases.

There is another problem:

There are several moderators on this board, and they each seem to have a different "philosophy" of how to approach their task. Some leave everything well-alone (maybe because they are hardly ever here?!), some are very hands on.

Recently, a thread was locked, and the mod (colleen) explained why. Fine. I disagreed with the action, but I liked the fact that the action was EXPLAINED. Then, however, the locked thread was moved elsewhere, and unlocked! No explanation of who did this, or why. Then, another mod re-locked it (with explanation). What's going on? Do the mods discuss things - or do they just act off their own bat? Seems the latter - colleen locked the thread in question because of how it had gone into a "bickering match", but there are LOTS of threads here where that's been happening - and hardly ever do they get locked.

Next: deleting posts. It hasn't happened to me, but I understand some mods are deleting posts for various reasons. I would ask that when you do this, you EXPLAIN. Otherwise, threads become meaningless.

Lastly, and this is personal. I have been banned TWICE by a moderator recently. An appeal to Dmitry has got me back on quickly (thanks, D), and quite properly has not told me which mod has done the banning. I don't use bad language, though I do enjoy a battle - as do MANY others who don't get banned. It's hard to escape the feeling that a mod has it in for me, and bans me when I annoy them enough. I may well be banned again for this post! The correct thing to do is to WARN someone if you feel that they are overstepping a boundary, and tell them how they can avoid deletions/bannings. I don't like the peremptory and hidden nature of what happens here sometimes. It's hard to escape the conclusion that some mods have had the "power" go to their heads. Further, this board has no common policy about the role of moderator.

I dont think mods have the ability to ban.  As for the move, I dont know what happened there, however I do think locking threads is wrong.

Quoted from juniorsfarm

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I can't believe you posted this. You of all people. You got me-I'm speechless.

why? why do this?

Quoted from Mr_Charlie

Probably a hack.

That could be likely considering I sure as hell didn't delete my own post at the end of the thread and then move the topic to a completely different forum.


As for locking threads, that was the only thread I have ever locked the entire time I've been a mod. The arguing was getting out of hand and I was receiving PMs asking me to put a stop to it. It's not like I just decided out of the blue to lock a thread for the hell of it.  I think locking/deleting threads without giving a reason is wrong. That has happened more than once here.

Quoted from juniorsfarm

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I can't believe you posted this. You of all people. You got me-I'm speechless.

Okay, now that was unprovoked.

Quoted from Maccalvr

Anyway, I guess my so called discussion posts are not so interesting. I'll try to stop. I just end up annoying people anyway. That's what happens when I get to chatty.

No, you are a great conversationalist. I like reading your posts.

Thanks Colleen. I always enjoy your posts. You have a great sense of humor.

Quoted from Maccalvr

Thanks Colleen. I always enjoy your posts. You have a great sense of humor.

Thanks. So do you.

Quoted from colleen

No, you are a great conversationalist. I like reading your posts.

Absolutely agreed.  We need MORE on topic, discussion oriented threads, not less!

Hoever you shouldn't take it personally if your subject doesn't generate a lot every time...threads seem to have a life of their own and the most amazingly trivial ones take off while the weighty ones never do.  It's a weird dynamic.

I love you guys.

What is a moderator for?







Most moderators these days go for about $1.99 per pound, in season.

No!!!

Its:

Forum Troll: $0.05 on ebay.
2. Moderator: 1.99/lb on ebay.
3. Getting rid of the troll after weeks and weeks of harrasment and heckling... Priceless..

LOL!!!!!!

hahahaha LOL!

He he he I love your sense of humour Erin!

Quoted from Ydoll_Gwyn

I've thought about this for a couple of days - and I want to say, right at the outset, that this has NOTHING to do with Dirk and his aliases.

There is another problem:

There are several moderators on this board, and they each seem to have a different "philosophy" of how to approach their task. Some leave everything well-alone (maybe because they are hardly ever here?!), some are very hands on.

Recently, a thread was locked, and the mod (colleen) explained why. Fine. I disagreed with the action, but I liked the fact that the action was EXPLAINED. Then, however, the locked thread was moved elsewhere, and unlocked! No explanation of who did this, or why. Then, another mod re-locked it (with explanation). What's going on? Do the mods discuss things - or do they just act off their own bat? Seems the latter - colleen locked the thread in question because of how it had gone into a "bickering match", but there are LOTS of threads here where that's been happening - and hardly ever do they get locked.

Next: deleting posts. It hasn't happened to me, but I understand some mods are deleting posts for various reasons. I would ask that when you do this, you EXPLAIN. Otherwise, threads become meaningless.

Lastly, and this is personal. I have been banned TWICE by a moderator recently. An appeal to Dmitry has got me back on quickly (thanks, D), and quite properly has not told me which mod has done the banning. I don't use bad language, though I do enjoy a battle - as do MANY others who don't get banned. It's hard to escape the feeling that a mod has it in for me, and bans me when I annoy them enough. I may well be banned again for this post! The correct thing to do is to WARN someone if you feel that they are overstepping a boundary, and tell them how they can avoid deletions/bannings. I don't like the peremptory and hidden nature of what happens here sometimes. It's hard to escape the conclusion that some mods have had the "power" go to their heads. Further, this board has no common policy about the role of moderator.

What a larf.  A troll calling for moderation.

Yeah, and the Nazis were the ones wanting all the new laws.

Sandra keep on talkin! Not a problem...mods...I have no grumbles....The attacks are flying around at the moment. Loads of stirring and now just plain ol name calling. It ain't what it used to be around here.

Easy enough.  Get rid of the two biggest trolls (NOT including meself lol) and there will be peace in the valley.

Just to clear a few things up...

Mods can only moderate their own forums, so I can't move, delete or lock a thread on PC's or Patton's (or any other mod's) forum, and vice versa. So if a thread goes missing it's probably because of a hacker or a glitch with the board.

Up till about a month ago, mods had the capability to ban a poster's IP address as long that poster had replied to a thread under that mod's control. This option never seemed to work when we were trying to block Dirk.

Mods can no longer ban members.

Mods DO operate their individual boards their own way - each has their own style. My particular style is to not interfere - freedom of speach and all that - even if I don't like what's being said. I'll only delete deliderately offensive posts designed to annoy US as Beatle fans.

I'll put my hands up and admit I did delete a lot of Dirk's threads, but with good reason; Dirk took to posting pornographic images and corpses in his signature, so I deleted as many of those posts as I could,  but I always quoted his comments - thus we were spared the images but kept the dialogue.  

As far as I am aware there is no hidden agenda on this forum. The mods don't discuss the affairs of the forum unless they do it behind my back - the b*stards!! LOL

DM did contact me to ask if I'd banned Ydoll, here is my reply:

"Regarding Ydoll_Gwyn, I don't think it was me who banned this member. It might have been another moderator, but I don't see any reason why he would have been banned - I checked through his recent posts and there's nothing that deserved a ban.

Can he be re-instated?"

But... in hindsight it may well have been me. In the process of tracking Dirk's many IDs, I did ban what I beleived was Dirk. I'm not saying it WAS me, just that it might have been. If it was me, I'm sorry.

Mistakes DO happen though. I recently deleted the "Real Life Picture" thread by mistake just by ticking the wrong box! I'd meant to delete a sick and offensive thread about John Lennon!

This board ebbs and flows - sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes awful, sometimes great!

Maybe the forum is going through a bad patch at the moment... it honestly does get better - it ALWAYS does, believe me!

Anyone want to discuss The Beatles?

Nice one dude, keep up the good work..Cannay fault ya!

I didnt ban nobody.  Not that I could if I wanted to, no one posts in Ringo!  Come on, show some love for a drummer..

Quoted from Herecomesyoursun

no one posts in Ringo!  Come on, show some love for a drummer..

I just posted there just for you - please don't ban me!!! LOL

I promise

Quoted from The_End

So if a thread goes missing it's probably because of a hacker or a glitch with the board.

That's what I thought when one thread from the Songs forum was moved to Selling, Buying and Exchanging and made a "sticky." I didn't move it. I pm'd Dmitry and asked if he knew about it but I haven't heard from him yet.

Yeah, it has happened before unfortunately.

Quoted from The_End

Yeah, it has happened before unfortunately.

I never noticed any other times when threads were moved. But now I know who deleted my post and moved the thread all over the board.

Yeah, pretty fucking shady, dudes.  NOT cool.

Quoted from The_End

Just to clear a few things up...

Mods can only moderate their own forums, so I can't move, delete or lock a thread on PC's or Patton's (or any other mod's) forum, and vice versa. So if a thread goes missing it's probably because of a hacker or a glitch with the board.

Up till about a month ago, mods had the capability to ban a poster's IP address as long that poster had replied to a thread under that mod's control. This option never seemed to work when we were trying to block Dirk.

Mods can no longer ban members.

Mods DO operate their individual boards their own way - each has their own style. My particular style is to not interfere - freedom of speach and all that - even if I don't like what's being said. I'll only delete deliderately offensive posts designed to annoy US as Beatle fans.

I'll put my hands up and admit I did delete a lot of Dirk's threads, but with good reason; Dirk took to posting pornographic images and corpses in his signature, so I deleted as many of those posts as I could,  but I always quoted his comments - thus we were spared the images but kept the dialogue.  

As far as I am aware there is no hidden agenda on this forum. The mods don't discuss the affairs of the forum unless they do it behind my back - the b*stards!! LOL

DM did contact me to ask if I'd banned Ydoll, here is my reply:

"Regarding Ydoll_Gwyn, I don't think it was me who banned this member. It might have been another moderator, but I don't see any reason why he would have been banned - I checked through his recent posts and there's nothing that deserved a ban.

Can he be re-instated?"

But... in hindsight it may well have been me. In the process of tracking Dirk's many IDs, I did ban what I beleived was Dirk. I'm not saying it WAS me, just that it might have been. If it was me, I'm sorry.

Mistakes DO happen though. I recently deleted the "Real Life Picture" thread by mistake just by ticking the wrong box! I'd meant to delete a sick and offensive thread about John Lennon!

This board ebbs and flows - sometimes good, sometimes bad, sometimes awful, sometimes great!

Maybe the forum is going through a bad patch at the moment... it honestly does get better - it ALWAYS does, believe me!

Anyone want to discuss The Beatles?

you could do mostly anthing you want including delete a post on my board.i accidently delete colleens reply and the locking of the topic.i was trying to see how much power we had.sorry if it bugged everyone.can you 4give me??????lol
i just saw this cause a stir and wanna set things straight.....i was not after anybody.
ps mod meeting of the minds workshop needed yes.analitical by newbies,not needed.

A meeting of the dons...

Quoted from Herecomesyoursun

A meeting of the dons...

Yeah... anyone wanna kiss my ring?!!! LOL

I do find the timing of pc's confession odd given no one said anything at all about it until Colleen mentioned she knew who had moved it.

And why 'experiment' on someone else's forum?  Seems rather rude.  Why not check your 'power' on your own?

And I am no mod and have no idea about the inner workings of this place, but supposedly mods were only able to effect changes in their OWN forums.  SO how does pc get 'power' somewhere else?  Wouldn't it take a hack?  Or a few of them?  And wouldn't that be rather...ballsy?

To move, unlock, delete the explanation post, move it again, relock, <dmitry moves it back>, unlock, say 'it was me' and then relock it again AFTER it's back in her forum?

I don't like any of this.  It -seems- to be a distinct lack of respect for another mod and maybe even worse.

Quoted from Mr_Charlie

I do find the timing of pc's confession odd given no one said anything at all about it until Colleen mentioned she knew who had moved it.

And why 'experiment' on someone else's forum?  Seems rather rude.  Why not check your 'power' on your own?

And I am no mod and have no idea about the inner workings of this place, but supposedly mods were only able to effect changes in their OWN forums.  SO how does pc get 'power' somewhere else?  Wouldn't it take a hack?  Or a few of them?  And wouldn't that be rather...ballsy?

To move, unlock, delete the explanation post, move it again, relock, <dmitry moves it back>, unlock, say 'it was me' and then relock it again AFTER it's back in her forum?

I don't like any of this.  It -seems- to be a distinct lack of respect for another mod and maybe even worse.

she did not know.theres no way anyone could have because noone was here.and i never read that she said she knew till i read your post.listen to me kids and i will tell you of a forum i join 5 or 6 years ago.it was a great place a bit boring sometimes no chatroom not moderators and alot of time no dmitry posts for a month or two.he was in school,too busy to be here or there.he would be building and editing his site.there were next to no incidents for a good 4 years or maybe even longer since i am not sure when he created the forum for his site.how many years is it d?
well anyways nothing ever really went sour till 2 years ago.you find out why from then.the styles changed maybe four times also.as i look to see who are still here from the peaceful days,i see just beatle_ed.noone else was here then so claiming you were here b4 anyone is a moot point.
the mod thing came about when a newbie asked why there were none.you remember that alan?thats when things got a different wind about them.dmitry had just met a great girl he said and was gonna be here less.the idea of being a mod was suggested by some newbie.so dmitry wanting to help asked for volunteers.at first noone stepped up.why?noone really cared is why.eventually al took a few collie took a few.i only wanted the fifths to pimp my pete best.life went on normally for a bit then patton came along and became a mod and shits been going down hill ever since.
since tyrant was in town...maria was bad true,dandee was bad,oh no another bloody american topic was bad too.even joe. but whats worse is all the whining and people trying to baste each other with their knowledge and their morals.
i for one think alot of you are at fault and even me.i think some of you are mess and know for sure about others.some of you are family and you know i love you....but the fact is that by being a dick head or a whiner is not showing any respect to the man that pays to host this forum and his site.
i think i for one will give my mod status back...........i don't want to be responsible for any of you you are worthless to me f*** you.....post ya later yours truly musketeer gripweed