Quoted from Lostio

There's only one way to be sure:

Ask Paul.

Anyone here knows his phone number?

Trouble is, these days Paul would give the answer painting him in the best light, and John in the poorest.

^Give the man a break Ydoll. About who sung some ahhh's in a song? Quit with the MAcca bashin. It's becoming aggrevating. No need for that assumption.

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle

^Give the man a break Ydoll. About who sung some ahhh's in a song? Quit with the MAcca bashin. It's becoming aggrevating. No need for that assumption.

Sadly, there's every need for that assumption. If you've been following Paul's takes on Beatles matters, you'll realize that for 20 years now he has increasingly put himself over at the expense of John. Read Barry Miles' book, for instance, and cringe at the arrogance of McCartney. Always helping John with his songs (but hardly ever admitting the other way), contributing essential bits, being more "avante garde" than John, and so on.

Well it must be selective reading you got goin there. Always question the source.
Have you read any comments by George MArtin? Surely he is the authority on this kinda thing. It strikes me that you can hear the input each have put in from the songs themselves.
Your bias towards John makes you feel that about him. OK, it's your thing. Do what you gotta do.
Paul likes attention, no 2 shakes about it but again you doth protest too much!! lol

My bias is towards truth, not John or Paul or anything else.

I go to Miles' book because that had Macca's imprimatur.

It strikes me that you can hear the input each have put in from the songs themselves.
On the contrary, it strikes me that you often can't. People like to think they can, but that's delusion. And that allows Macca to paint himself in a more favorable light.

McCartney may have gotten defensive or overly zealous because of the GOD image that John's fanatical fans have given him. It was starting to get to the point where it was John's band and John was the creative genius and John was the Beatles soul and Paul was the fluff. I'd be annoyed too if I were reduced to that after being a HUGE part of the most successful band of all time. I think he acted like most people would have in that situation. Even John. John who made claims just as egotistical before his death. Can't you see both sides?

it doesnt matter who sings the "aaahhs", in the end, they did a damn good job of it, even if it was Yoko

Quoted from Maccalvr

McCartney may have gotten defensive or overly zealous because of the GOD image that John's fanatical fans have given him. It was starting to get to the point where it was John's band and John was the creative genius and John was the Beatles soul and Paul was the fluff. I'd be annoyed too if I were reduced to that after being a HUGE part of the most successful band of all time. I think he acted like most people would have in that situation. Even John. John who made claims just as egotistical before his death. Can't you see both sides?

I totally agree, bad enough Macca has to compete with himself, but also with John's deified memory.

forget what i said above^..I think its Paul

Quoted from Ydoll_Gwyn

My bias is towards truth, not John or Paul or anything else.

I go to Miles' book because that had Macca's imprimatur.

It strikes me that you can hear the input each have put in from the songs themselves.
On the contrary, it strikes me that you often can't. People like to think they can, but that's delusion. And that allows Macca to paint himself in a more favorable light.

You mean what YOU think is true? A truth from a book? I am speaking from a musicians point of view when I made that comment about their inputs. I don't believe that it is that far-fetched an idea. Contrary to your beliefs, it seems you like to think you can't.
Well, in some songs you have a point but generally they are singing on their own tunes. I.e. Their own concepted ideas/chords. Notice I say, GENERALLY.
Anyway, it was more Paul bashing on your behalf, you can never resist. They both had great input, one not overshadowing the other. It's your kind of nit-picking that raises this whole Paul is be-littling Lennon's legacy that I find un-healthy in Beatle fans. I certainly would'nt say I was deluded either.
Again, I find myself balancing the negativity of your opinions on Paul. Theres no more painting to be done regards Beatles. It is all done and there to see, no matter what each man wants to say in their own auto-biographies. Unsurprisingly they generally talk about.....wait for it......themselves!

Anyways, surely it has been established that they were both rather good. That'll do for me.

I asked virtual John who sang it and he said it was Niels Bohr.

I cannot understand those folk who don't see the revisionism Paul McCartney has been involved in over the last couple of decades. Certainly, it may be in response to those who have "sainted" John Lennon: but Macca is surely doing it, whatever the reason.

My own "Macca-bashing" is really criticism of Paul's attitude, immaturity, and petulance. It is also a take on the low standards some of his music has sunk to. But there's no need, really, to call it "bashing". It's just me talking about a man whose contribution to one of the greatest bands of all time is undeniable, but who subsequently lost the plot.

No one is above criticism. Remember that even Paul himself has passed negative comments about some of his work in the eighties!

QuoteNo one is above criticism. Remember that even Paul himself has passed negative comments about some of his work in the eighties!

YEs, but so he should!!! lol. I see what your saying to a degree Ydoll. I just don't like to hear about it. It's a free board though. It just dos'nt fit into how I would like to revere them. If you get what I mean? This whole PAul vs Lennon thing means nothing to me.

Quoted from An_Apple_Beatle

If you get what I mean? This whole PAul vs Lennon thing means nothing to me.

Nice post, Apple Beatle. But with reference to the quote above: trouble is, the whole Paul vs John thing means a lot to Macca, I think.

it sounds like Paul to me, not bashing John or anything..but I think its Paul, but Im a bigger John fan than paul, and John does the best parts of the song anyways