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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:42am |
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LOL.....Will do Al....This is a goody...What came first? The chicken or the egg? lol I bet Macca started and John finished just to really wind us all up! hehehehe! 
I considered that at one time but rejected it. Especially the bit at the end where Paul's voice wavers. All one take. Sounds pretty cool tho dunnit? I love this stuff! |
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| juniorsfarm |
| February 20, 2005, 1:43am |
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[quote=The_End] 3. Listen to the first bit of the "aaahs" (the descending scale) - it is so distinctly Paul. Admittedly, the 2nd bit (the ascending scale) is more nasaly and Lennon-esque but if you listen closely you can hear it's Paul. I swear!  Take another listen - I hope the debate continues. Hi. The ascending 'aaahs' was always the gauntlet dropping for me. No matter how well Paul might have been able to mimic John, there's no way that's Paul. Of course, I wasn't there, it is an opinion, I wasn't in the studio, I don't have Chuck's book, etc. |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:44am |
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I think it's Paul, regardless of Mr. Charlie's evidence. When the "ahh"s first start it's a stronger, more in the throat kind of voice, like Paul's. But when the horns start to drown it out it sounds more nasaly like John's. Besides, why does this matter at all and why is it making people act like such jerks? All Ydoll Gwyn did was state his opinion and then Mr. Charlie immediately takes offense and starts calling him an a** and disregarding Ydoll's statements as invalid while upholding his own, equally or more unsupportable statements as if it's common sense and everyone should agree with them.
Yeah, thanks for your confirmation and your ridiculous take on what is going on here. "All Ydoll did is..." Riiiiiiiiight. |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:46am |
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I swear to my life its Paul!! i wish they talked about it in the anthology!! that would be proof, I cant belive people still think its John, The second"aahh" sounds exactly like Paul
sigh What can you do? I guess since it is not as clear as *I* think it is one can only add this brick to the controversy. I don't see any way a reasonable person could hear John, and I don't count Maria as reasonable, hence the backlash. But others hear John, and I admit it is a very very close resemblance, so whaddaya gonna do? |
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| February 20, 2005, 1:47am |
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At first I heard John coming in at the end, but now I'm hearing Paul all the way through. He goes up a little at the end and it's strong and clean like Paul. Not so nasal as I originaly thought. I'm probably trying to hear John as I thought it was him for like 20 years!! It wasn't until a few months ago when I listened on headphones that I thought it could be Paul!! The discussion then wasn't nearly as exciting then as it is now though! |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:49am |
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Yep, that's what I hear too. There is a lot of history between Ydoll and Charlie, and a lot of arguments spill over from other threads. I've found it's best not to get involved in the banter. It's just two people exchanging views instead of punches! 
Not much history between me and Ydoll. Plenty between me (and everyone else) and Maria. And some between everyone else and Rotwang. Fact is they're all the same troll, NOT here to share enlightenment or joy in music but to belittle and ensnare and play baby troll games. Whatever. I enjoy slapping assholes upside the head because of what they do and who they are. But not to the total detriment of the board. SO I'll chill FOR NOW. Until the Mouth makes it plain it is in need of another severe disciplining. SO run, kiddies, frolic, no one is going to hurt you, least of all me. |
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| February 20, 2005, 1:51am |
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it's strong and clean like Paul.
Yeah, he's a clean ole man isn't he!! LOL! |
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| February 20, 2005, 1:52am |
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Any reasonable person could most definitely hear John! It's who most of us thought it was for years and years so obviously there's a damn good resemblence. As for listening to the isolated tracks, it does take a few listens to release yourself from all those years of hearing it one way and now trying to except another. Your ears play tricks on you. But I wouldn't bet my life on the fact that it's solely Paul. Even though I may think so now. Maybe John could have been edited in there somewhere. I don't know. They did like to experiment. |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:52am |
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LOL!!! Now that would really be messing with our heads!!!
The more I listen, the right rear one sounds more like Paul starting as well. But I still think John's following him up. Just because it gets more nasal and high pitched. But again, Paul's voice was pretty versitile. Like the Lovely Rita thing someone mentioned. Similiar. Anyway, dontcha just LOVE this song?? It should be given some kinda special award for greatest song of all time or something. Cuz it is.
Absolutely! When I was editing it over and over it just sounded sooo good! My son, who is only a Beatle acknowledger by force (he was around it all his life) thought the edits sounded so good he wanted to hear it. Immediately. SO we did.  I edited the segmenet out of a longer track where John's lead voice was isolated as well. Talk about ache. The single best voice in rock, bar none. From Twist & Shout to this. Sublime. |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:53am |
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Now I'm gonna have to go listen to Lucy and Rita and come back to the isolated Ahhhs!!
I dunno, that might confuse you more. Just enjoy them all, that's all they wanted us to do. They didn't count on a few anal souls like me to dissect everything. |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:56am |
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[quote=The_End] 3. Listen to the first bit of the "aaahs" (the descending scale) - it is so distinctly Paul. Admittedly, the 2nd bit (the ascending scale) is more nasaly and Lennon-esque but if you listen closely you can hear it's Paul. I swear! Take another listen - I hope the debate continues. Hi. The ascending 'aaahs' was always the gauntlet dropping for me. No matter how well Paul might have been able to mimic John, there's no way that's Paul. Of course, I wasn't there, it is an opinion, I wasn't in the studio, I don't have Chuck's book, etc.
Hell, *I* don't have "my" book! If I did I'd quote it and be done with it. No, this was the proof I'd forgotten convinced me. The books are very quiet about this subject. |
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There's definitely other vocals going on in the mix too - particularly where "Paul" seems to go off key at the very end. |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 1:57am |
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Quoted from Maccalvr
At first I heard John coming in at the end, but now I'm hearing Paul all the way through. He goes up a little at the end and it's strong and clean like Paul. Not so nasal as I originaly thought. I'm probably trying to hear John as I thought it was him for like 20 years!! It wasn't until a few months ago when I listened on headphones that I thought it could be Paul!! The discussion then wasn't nearly as exciting then as it is now though!
I fear that we may all have a tendency to hear what we 'think' or want it to be. But enough people, myself included, have heard this and been gobsmacked realizing it WAS Paul, that that is the bigger proof to me than almost anything shy of hearing it myself. |
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| Mr_Charlie |
| February 20, 2005, 2:00am |
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Any reasonable person could most definitely hear John! It's who most of us thought it was for years and years so obviously there's a damn good resemblence. As for listening to the isolated tracks, it does take a few listens to release yourself from all those years of hearing it one way and now trying to except another. Your ears play tricks on you. But I wouldn't bet my life on the fact that it's solely Paul. Even though I may think so now. Maybe John could have been edited in there somewhere. I don't know. They did like to experiment.
I don't think so because of the track situation. They just didn't have that luxury. But yes, of course a reasonable person could hear John. Yes, we too did think it was him all these years, but only by hearing a vinyl/CD copy. This was lifted from the master tapes. And it is shorn of most of the orchestra. Still...who knows? They made "number nine' sound like 'turn me on dead man' backwards, so maybe there was some purposeful wizardry there. |
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